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NeoLemmix: Maximum Saved Records
« on: January 20, 2020, 08:48:56 pm »
This topic is for compiling maximum lemmings saved records for NeoLemmix levels. This is not just limited to the NL versions of the original levels; feel free to add records for usermade packs.

It's important to be aware that, unlike the original games, NL packs may be updated by their creators/compilers at any time. To make things run more smoothly, if you have any records to share, please observe the following protocol:

* Refer to levels by name, not just position! Records without level names will not be added to the opening post.
* If possible, make sure you are playing on the latest available version of a pack at all times.
* When posting records, include the date the pack was last updated. (This will usually be the "last edited" date of its topic's opening post.)
* If possible, post replays so that your results can be verified.

I'll start the ball rolling with Lemmings Redux, now that the pack is finished. I haven't played through the entire pack yet, but I've skimmed through it to see which levels are non-100% (I may have missed some) and done my best to set a record on all the remaining levels. I feel sure that some of these can be improved!

As usual, all levels are 100% unless specifically mentioned. (If cloners are available, "100%" means the total of lemmings + cloners, and any less than this will be noted.)

Lemmings Redux
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Lemmings (original)
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Dodochacalo's packs

DoveLems
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Geoffster's packs

GeoffLems
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mantha16's packs

Sammings
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Namida's packs

Doomsday Lemmings
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Lemmings Plus I
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Lemmings Plus Omega
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WillLem's packs

MiniLems
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« Last Edit: November 17, 2020, 06:03:48 pm by Proxima »

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Re: NeoLemmix: Maximum Saved Records
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2020, 09:10:01 pm »
Lunatic 16 "Sega Four" on Redux is 100%able. (EDIT: Looks like you caught this slightly before I did.)

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Re: NeoLemmix: Maximum Saved Records
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2020, 09:25:56 pm »
Quirky 29 "Tension Sheet, Good Idea" is also 100%able.

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This replay was made using the V12.8.0-RC but I'd be very surprised if it doesn't work on V12.7.X, as there should be no physics differences between them.
« Last Edit: January 20, 2020, 09:32:28 pm by namida »

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Re: NeoLemmix: Maximum Saved Records
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2020, 09:38:53 pm »
Zany 10 "Flow Control" improved to save-17.

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Re: NeoLemmix: Maximum Saved Records
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2020, 09:59:16 pm »
Manic 27 "Watch Your Fingertip", 100%ed. This is actually quite simple compared to the previous ones.

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Re: NeoLemmix: Maximum Saved Records
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2020, 10:26:35 pm »
Manic 32 "Temple of Love" improved to save-29.

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Re: NeoLemmix: Maximum Saved Records
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2020, 08:11:40 pm »
Lunatic 20 "No Hurry, Relax" improved to save 14. Normal solution, it's just a matter of fiddling with the exact positionings of a few skills.

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Re: NeoLemmix: Maximum Saved Records
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2020, 08:22:39 pm »
Lunatic 21 "The Steel Mines Of Kessel" improved to save-44. I considered a few ideas for save-45 but I don't think any of them are workable with only 10 builders.

If there's any more improvements possible in Redux, I can't see how - I think this is the last one from me.
« Last Edit: January 21, 2020, 08:30:17 pm by namida »

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Re: NeoLemmix: Maximum Saved Records
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2020, 12:47:44 am »
Zany 22 SNOW JOKE 100% still basically works in Redux.

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Re: NeoLemmix: Maximum Saved Records
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2020, 12:46:04 am »
Confirmed Manic 15 THE SILENCE OF THE LEMMINGS save 38.  This is actually somewhat significant because IIRC, there are a number of lose-2 solutions previously reported for DOS Lemmings (I know of at least 3) that all happened to use (each different) behaviors that don't work the same on NeoLemmix (thus rendering the solution inoperable in NeoLemmix).  It seems like this NeoLemmix solution can potentially be back-ported to work on DOS Lemmings, but does that correspond to an already previously reported solution for DOS Lemmings, I'm not sure.
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Re: NeoLemmix: Maximum Saved Records
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2020, 09:39:13 am »
Manic 23 (Old MacDonald...) improved to 38.  I never actually played the DOS version of level, so no idea whether the record there is lose 2; if not then it almost certainly should be.

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Re: NeoLemmix: Maximum Saved Records
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2020, 11:03:35 am »
The DOS record is lose 2 but it relies on direct drop, so I guess I gave up too quickly looking for a lose-2 solution in NL. :P

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Re: NeoLemmix: Maximum Saved Records
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2020, 12:33:12 am »
Redux is probably getting close to completed, so, I'm going to start looking at Lemmings Plus I. Here's my results up to Danger 15 (inclusive).

Mild 22 "Blow Down" - 19/25

Wimpy 4 "Saviour" - 79/80
Wimpy 29 "Russian Rescue" - 79/80

Medi 4 "Getting There" - 48/50
Medi 5 "Safety Blast" - 77/80
Medi 15 "Shooting Star" - 38/40
Medi 16 "Grounded!" - 17/20
Medi 17 "Six Feet Under" - 56/60
Medi 20 "The Diving Board" - 57/60
Medi 21 "As It Burns Away..." - 76/80
Medi 25 "Wall of Wisdom" - 64/80
Medi 27 "Take A Dive" - 48/50
Medi 28 "Way Up High" - 19/20
Medi 29 "Lemmingsense" - 77/80
Medi 30 "Consider Everything..." - 79/80

Danger 1 "Inside Outside" - 10/15
Danger 3 "Backdraft" - 16/20
Danger 9 "With A Quirk Or Two..." - 48/50
Danger 13 "Breakthrough!" - 56/60
Danger 15 "Circular Wavelength" - 77/80

All iterations of No Salvation are 100%able. All others up to Danger 15 are 100%able.

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- Mild 19 "Up To Where They Go", save-all
- Wimpy 12 "Only One Place To Go", save-all
- Medi 30 "Consider Everything", save 79
- Danger 8 "Cavern Of Chills", save-all
- Danger 13 "Breakthrough", save 56
- Danger 14 "Death In All Directions", save-all
- Psycho 29 "No Salvation V", save-all - should work on all other iterations of No Salvation too

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Re: NeoLemmix: Maximum Saved Records
« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2020, 03:09:45 am »
I had a quick look through the rest of Danger, skipping over 16 as it looks too complex for late-night :P My results:

21 It's The Latest Craze! 19/20
23 Lair Of The Fallen Lemming 78/80
26 With Love, From Trogdor 55/60
27 The Deadly Climb 2/5
28 Coalburner 74/80
30 The Hideout 79/80

Replay attached for 100% on Danger 21.
« Last Edit: January 26, 2020, 01:51:00 pm by Proxima »

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Re: NeoLemmix: Maximum Saved Records
« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2020, 11:34:47 pm »
The best I can achieve for Danger 16 "The Oddstack" is 65/70.

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Re: NeoLemmix: Maximum Saved Records
« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2020, 12:35:22 am »
Danger 23 "Lair of the Fallen Lemming", save-all is possible.

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Re: NeoLemmix: Maximum Saved Records
« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2020, 12:40:35 am »
As per Discord discussions yesterday, some Psycho results. Bolded ones are improvements over the save requirement. Those prepended with a * are the ones that I think are worth a closer look.

Psycho 1 "Variety Day" - 20/20 (found by Proxima)
Psycho 2 "The Parking Lot" - 49/50
Psycho 3 "Express Lane" - 11/12
Psycho 4 "Think Outside The Square!" - 11/15
Psycho 5 "Lightspeed Lemming" - 73/80 (intended solution replay achieves this)
Psycho 6 "The Bulldozer" - 80/80 (although requirement is 79/80, most solutions will achieve 80/80)
Psycho 7 "Turn Back With Care" - 78/80
* Psycho 8 "Snowed In!" - 72/80
* Psycho 9 "Coalburner (Part II)" - 72/80 (this is just the requirement)
Psycho 10 "What Did You Expect?" - 77/80
Psycho 11 "Three Birds With One Stone" - 77/80 (many ways to achieve this, including the intended solution replay)
Psycho 12 "Not Gonna Work" - 40/40
Psycho 13 "Go High Go Low" - 58/60 (replay attached)
Psycho 14 "Lemmerixo" - 50/50
Psycho 15 "Where Anything Goes" - 53/53
Psycho 16 "Crosswork" - 50/50 (trivial to improve any% to 100%)
* Psycho 17 "Meeting Spot" - 18/20
Psycho 18 "Return of the T" - 25/25
Psycho 19 "A Perfect Nightmare" - 80/80
Psycho 20 "No Time To Die" - 20/20
Psycho 21 "Kamikaze!" - 77/80 (found by Proxima)
Psycho 22 "Twins" - 79/80 (trivial improvement to standard solution)
Psycho 23 "Death Row" - 73/80 (just a matter of good timing)
* Psycho 24 "Gone In A Flash" - 15/20
Psycho 25 "Bullet Lemming" - 79/80
Psycho 26 "Oblivion" - 18/20
Psycho 27 "No Time To Die (Part II)" - 20/20
Psycho 28 "To The End!" - 30/30
Psycho 29 "No Salvation V" - 10/10 (replay earlier in topic)
Psycho 30 "Hellfire!" - 76/80

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Re: NeoLemmix: Maximum Saved Records
« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2020, 04:49:41 pm »
Medi 20 "The Diving Board" 58/60
Medi 29 "Lemmingsense" 78/80
Danger 3 "Backdraft" 18/20
« Last Edit: February 02, 2020, 02:59:31 pm by Proxima »

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Re: NeoLemmix: Maximum Saved Records
« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2020, 01:59:08 am »
Psycho 22 "Twins" improved to 80/80. Unlike the above, this is not a trivial variation on the standard solution, this is actually quite tricky.

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Re: NeoLemmix: Maximum Saved Records
« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2020, 03:21:43 am »
While working on the "skills you can't live without" challenge, I found a 1-blocker solution to Danger 15 "Circular Wavelength" that also improves the save count to 79/80.

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Re: NeoLemmix: Maximum Saved Records
« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2020, 05:58:51 am »
I've made a start on DoveLems, adding my results for the Plain levels to the opening post. Of these, I would say 100% on Plain 15 "Ground Floor, Please" is the most challenge-worthy.

This rank includes a nuke level, so we will probably never know for certain what is the maximum possible that can be saved. I'll keep track of our record in the same way as with any other level, and if anyone manages to improve it, let me know!

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Re: NeoLemmix: Maximum Saved Records
« Reply #21 on: February 28, 2020, 08:39:38 am »
To be more specific about which nuke level he's talking about, it's Plain 28: the "Final Flourish" level. Looking forward to trying this one! Although I'll have to see if I can actually do this one with original skills.

EDIT: So, I managed to improve this one to Save 58. Looks like I found the quickest way to the exit here, and used quite a lot of climbers too.
« Last Edit: February 28, 2020, 10:08:26 am by Minim »
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Re: NeoLemmix: Maximum Saved Records
« Reply #22 on: April 20, 2020, 07:27:41 pm »
I've added MiniLems to the opening post. Only five four non-100%able levels in the pack!

Replays attached for 100% "We are now at LEMCON ONE" (yes, this is actually quite tricky with the reduced skillset!), 25/30 "Call in the bomb squad", 29/30 "The Boiler Room" and 100% "The Steel Mines of Kessel".
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Re: NeoLemmix: Maximum Saved Records
« Reply #23 on: April 20, 2020, 09:02:37 pm »
I've added MiniLems to the opening post. Only five non-100%able levels in the pack!

Thanks for doing that! Tailor Made For Blockers is 100%-able though:

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Re: NeoLemmix: Maximum Saved Records
« Reply #24 on: April 21, 2020, 09:27:19 pm »
We have a result for every level of Original Lemmings now (thanks partly to WillLem expressing interest in a couple of levels), so I've added these to the opening post. There's some overlap with Redux, but enough different levels that it feels worth maintaining the separate list; besides, this makes it easy to compare results with our results for the original game.


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Re: NeoLemmix: Maximum Saved Records
« Reply #25 on: April 23, 2020, 01:17:24 am »
LPI Psycho 9 "Coalburner" 73/80

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Re: NeoLemmix: Maximum Saved Records
« Reply #26 on: April 30, 2020, 12:40:02 am »
LPI Danger 27 "The Deadly Climb" 3/5 (improving from 2)
LPI Psycho 4 "Think Outside the Square!" 12/15 (improving from 11)
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Re: NeoLemmix: Maximum Saved Records
« Reply #27 on: May 06, 2020, 11:44:07 pm »
Sammings results added. The Pillar 2 result, and 100% on Bubble 3 and 4, are thanks to WillLem. I've attached my own replays for a couple of the trickier results.

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Re: NeoLemmix: Maximum Saved Records
« Reply #28 on: May 06, 2020, 11:56:06 pm »
The Pillar 2 result, and 100% on Bubble 3 and 4, are thanks to WillLem.

Replays attached. :lemcat:

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Re: NeoLemmix: Maximum Saved Records
« Reply #29 on: November 08, 2020, 12:34:35 pm »
Redux results updated. The new level "The Boiler Room" has an obvious maximum of 49/50. (In original Lemmings, "The Boiler Room" was notorious as one of the "non-100%" levels that turned out to be 100%able after all, but this required the sliding glitch, which is not possible in NeoLemmix.)

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Re: NeoLemmix: Maximum Saved Records
« Reply #30 on: November 25, 2020, 07:12:12 am »
Thought it was worth sharing this here, it's namida's 100% solution to Wicked 19 Up, Down or Round and Round. Some deftly applied flow control stuff going on here, and it's a solution I was struggling to find elsewhere. So, enjoy!