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[NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
« on: November 16, 2020, 09:25:42 am »
OK, the Time records have been released.

Here is the link to the latest version of Lemmings Redux (Last updated November 2020).

I've compiled my fastest time solutions for all the Redux levels except for the Just a Minute levels (As I happen to have solved these right on the buzzer) into a ZIP file as confirmation (That Mass Replay check button is very handy indeed).

Thanks to namida, Proxima and all others for their earlier contributions to the challenge threads involving Redux. Thanks also to WillLem for uploading the Lemminas results. Any more questions or errors on the table please let me know.

Latest Update: Lemmings Redux Lunatic 6: Improved to 0:44.47.

Lemmings Redux
Gentle (click to show/hide)

Quirky (click to show/hide)

Zany (click to show/hide)

Manic (click to show/hide)

Lunatic (click to show/hide)


Lemminas
Magical (click to show/hide)

Sensational (click to show/hide)

Tricksy (click to show/hide)

Pandemonium (click to show/hide)
« Last Edit: November 29, 2020, 07:36:06 am by Minim »
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Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2020, 07:47:04 am »
Namida's improvement to Zany 18 on the Minimum Skills thread also reduces the time by around 11 seconds. Good job! I also updated Proxima's SYCLW solution to Manic 17 that has a slightly more sensible time record.

Otherwise, looks like this thread is falling down the order quite quickly. If there are no further responses I'll probably list just the latest update on the main post and the log of improvements in this post.
« Last Edit: November 26, 2020, 07:52:53 am by Minim »
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Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2020, 05:19:14 pm »
Fastest time is never likely to be as popular as minimum skills and other challenges, because unless you are really frame-perfect there is always room to improve, and that adds up to a lot of effort per level. Still, since it is tracked by NeoLemmix, I'm interested in improving times (for Redux at least), so I will probably get around to it after we're done with other challenges.

For now, here's a genuine time optimisation on Just a Minute, because there's nothing "sensible" about taking a time record from a replay where I was optimising something else :P

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Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2020, 05:54:18 pm »
I was thinking that would happen; And yes, that solution of yours is a great idea of controlling the crowd, even though there are no hazards ahead. I wonder if this is one of the original backroutes that one of the guys at DMA managed to do until the designer removed that half pillar for Part 2?

Anyway, I've counted your result in, and I'm going to try optimising the new Zany 18 solution with a proper time.

Edit: Zany 18's result now down to 1:29.41, a considerable improvement by nearly 30 seconds. Quite fiddly thanks to me choosing an earlier lemming to mine, resulting in more lemmings not getting trapped, but got there in the end.
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Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2020, 02:52:44 am »
If it was a backroute, why would they make a second version of the level instead of just fixing the first one? It's always felt clear to me that the platform is there because you are meant to use it in the first level -- which is why the second one is (intended to be) harder.

Anyway, I've started having a look from the beginning, but these are laborious to do so I'm only doing them in small chunks. Here are my improvements for Gentle 1-16. Gentle 6 (A task for bombers) is obviously impossible to improve further, but even on levels as simple as these, it's hard to make guarantees for most of them.

Most of these are just optimisations of the standard solutions with skill spamming and interrupted miner staircases, but a couple are more interesting -- especially 15 (Darkness of the royal family) in 31 seconds and 16 (A beast of a level) in 55 seconds.
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Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2020, 03:09:05 am »
It was bothering me that The Crankshaft was the only Gentle level with a listed time above 2 minutes, so I messed around a bit :P

EDIT: Replaced the replay with a more serious attempt at optimising.

Also, It's hero time in 39.53, another one where I am pretty certain this is the absolute minimum possible.
« Last Edit: November 27, 2020, 07:43:03 am by Proxima »

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Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2020, 10:37:22 am »
Hey, nice job on Gentle 25. I like the start when you specified the release rate for each bomber across the wall. Also, the climbing bomber looks like it takes a while to do and can only be done once, but it's amazing how much height it covers. Watching another experienced player master these non-basher speed tricks was pretty satisfying.

Just updated the table to include a sub-minute time for Manic 31 (Thanks to namida's 7-skill route, I had enough flexibility with the skills to get them down quickly enough). I also simplified the table by removing the redundant rank names, as result filling was taking ages to write. :P

Edit: Added a sub 45 second solution to Lunatic 6. (Like the min-skills solution, I agree this one is a real giveaway)
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