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Title: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Minim on November 16, 2020, 09:25:42 AM

(DOS counterpart link (https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=1033.0))
(Latest version of Lemmings Redux (https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=4374.0))
(Latest version of The NeoLemmix Introduction Pack (https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=5204.0))

OK, the Time records have been released.

Thanks to namida, Proxima and all others for their earlier contributions to the challenge threads involving Redux. Thanks also to Kaywhyn, DireKrow and Flopsy for replays/LPs to the NeoLemmix Introduction Pack, and to WillLem for uploading the Lemminas results. Any more questions or errors on the table please let me know.

Latest Update: NeoLemmix Introduction Pack updated to V1.5 with new levels and results, plus improvements to older ones. Some Redux replays reuploaded to add nukes to existing solutions. The most recent level improvement is Zany 13: "Don't leave any lemmings" with a time of 0:53.53, though there is room to improve at the start of the solution thanks to the exit facing the opposite way.

Lemmings Redux

Gentle (click to show/hide)

#	Level Name	Record Time
1	Just dig!	0:17.12
2	Only floaters can survive this	0:20.00
3	Tailor-made for blockers	0:20.47
4	Now use miners and climbers	0:36.71
5	You need bashers this time	0:36.41
6	A task for bombers	0:21.47
7	Builders will help you here	0:43.59
8	Snuggle up to a Lemming	0:18.35
9	Get a little extra help	0:39.29
10	Downwardly Mobile Lemmings	0:10.71
11	Keep your hair on, Mr. Lemming	0:25.71
12	A Block from Home	0:29.29
13	Let's go to the moon!	0:35.59
14	CindyLand	0:44.53
15	Darkness of the royal family	0:30.59
16	A Beast of a level	0:44.18
17	You Live and Lem	1:13.82
18	Lemming toast	0:38.18
19	Where do you see Lemmings?	0:39.94
20	Patience	0:30.06
21	Lemmings in the attic	0:21.29
22	Let's be careful out there	0:24.41
23	Pillar talking	1:17.94
24	Rainbow Island	1:04.53
25	The Crankshaft	1:17.18
26	Careless clicking costs lives	0:52.71
27	Quest for Kieran	0:38.94
28	Catch more floaters.	1:09.29
29	Konnichiwa Lemming-san	1:16.76
30	Turn around, young lemmings!	0:16.71
31	Doomsday	0:35.41
32	Going Their Separate Ways	0:49.88

Quirky (click to show/hide)

#	Level Name	Record Time
1	PoP YoR ToP!!!	0:27.47
2	It's Lemmingentry, Watson	0:24.94
3	Vacation in Gemland	1:43.94
4	Go for it!	1:28.94
5	Keep all enemies out.	1:22.27
6	Just a Quicky	0:26.59
7	The runaround	2:21.12
8	A Spot of Bother	0:52.12
9	Exodus!	1:20.53
10	The Needs of the Many...	1:15.65
11	DON'T PANIC	0:44.24
12	Over the wall	0:33.88
13	Haunted botanical garden	0:30.82
14	Meeting Adjourned	1:28.59
15	Plethora of Presents	0:59.06
16	MENACING !!	0:58.18
17	Mr Lemmy Lives Next Door	1:16.53
18	One way or another	2:02.41
19	Tunnel vision	1:07.82
20	Perseverance	0:27.29
21	The Long Way Around	0:56.53
22	The Far Side	2:09.35
23	Emmings!  (No L)	1:23.71
24	Lunch time	0:58.35
25	No choice but to follow them	1:10.29
26	Take care, Sweetie	1:27.76
27	The Island of the Wicker people	1:10.29
28	Speed Trap	0:54.65
29	Tension Sheet, Good Idea	1:18.18
30	Izzie Wizzie lemmings get busy	0:49.24
31	Cascade	0:53.59
32	And then there were four...	1:20.53

Zany (click to show/hide)

#	Level Name	Record Time
1	The bridge is breaking down.	1:03.76
2	Temporary peace	1:42.65
3	Last one out is a rotten egg!	0:49.35
4	LEMTRIS	1:16.65
5	Watch out, there's traps about	0:47.24
6	Compression Method 1	0:47.06
7	No time for a detour	0:49.35
8	Lemmy in the cold, cold ground	1:44.94
9	No justice for the hero	1:40.18
10	Flow Control	0:22.41
11	LeMming ToMato KetchUp fAcilitY	0:26.94
12	Twins	0:57.88
13	Don't leave any Lemmings	0:53.53
14	Pitfall	1:06.41
15	With a little help from my Lem	1:14.06
16	What an AWESOME level	1:56.12
17	Lemming Lament	1:09.06
18	KEEP ON TRUCKING	1:29.41
19	Postcard from Lemmingland	1:14.35
20	Dolly Dimple	0:46.88
21	Mutiny on the Bounty	1:43.47
22	SNOW JOKE	1:33.41
23	ONWARD AND UPWARD	2:13.94
24	I have a cunning plan	0:35.88
25	Have a nice day!	1:04.94
26	Across the Gap	0:35.00
27	Jump down!	1:39.47
28	Worra load of old blocks!	1:02.59
29	Four Play	1:32.65
30	Got anything... Lemmingy???	0:55.47
31	ROCKY ROAD	2:10.88
32	The North Poles	2:01.35

Manic (click to show/hide)

#	Level Name	Record Time
1	Let's get together.	0:50.59
2	The Lemming Funhouse	0:39.06
3	If at first you don't succeed...	2:26.41
4	No world without you	0:55.65
5	Synchronised Lemming	0:46.59
6	Chill out!	0:15.41
7	Down the tube	0:30.65
8	Is this a circus?	1:32.41
9	AAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!	1:50.35
10	ROCKY VI	1:56.06
11	With a twist of lemming, please	1:30.65
12	Steel Block Party	0:35.18
13	Upside-down World	1:45.41
14	Come on over to my place	0:34.12
15	THE SILENCE OF THE LEMMINGS	1:22.06
16	A BeastII of a level	1:45.53
17	Just a Minute...	0:44.82
18	The gate trap Lemmings.	1:01.41
19	Poles Apart	1:12.88
20	Fall and no life.	1:36.53
21	Electric circuit	1:09.59
22	It's not over till it's over	0:48.53
23	Old MacDonald Had a Farm...	0:56.82
24	The race against cliches	2:04.47
25	Acrophobia	0:56.94
26	Triple Trouble	0:56.47
27	Watch your fingertip!	1:07.18
28	Out, away from the tune	1:28.65
29	Just a Minute (Part Two)	0:47.94
30	POOR WEE CREATURES!	1:41.53
31	Where Lemmings Dare	0:46.06
32	Temple of Love	2:02.59

Lunatic (click to show/hide)

#	Level Name	Record Time
1	It's hero time!	0:39.53
2	The Boiler Room	1:18.59
3	Anxiety	1:20.71
4	No added colours or Lemmings	0:41.35
5	There's madness in the method	1:39.76
6	Which one are you trying to get?	0:39.65
7	Down, along, up, in that order	1:16.76
8	Lemming about town	2:56.41
9	Evacuating a coal mine	1:26.06
10	Be more than just a number	1:39.18
11	Fix the road, quick!	1:38.65
12	Water processing plant	1:41.06
13	This Corrosion	1:14.53
14	Move on in two separate groups.	1:05.41
15	Evil whisper	1:17.71
16	SEGA Four	1:46.12
17	Creature Discomforts	1:10.00
18	Scaling the Heights	0:25.18
19	Private room available	0:59.94
20	No hurry, relax.	1:54.24
21	The Steel Mines of Kessel	1:54.18
22	Hello John! Got a New Lemming?	2:29.65
23	The Great Lemming Caper	0:48.82
24	Everyone's a hard nut.	0:59.65
25	Watch right or left (Part Two)	0:23.59
26	Final impediment	0:22.00
27	Let's go camping.	0:10.76
28	Lemmings in a situation	1:25.88
29	Save Me	3:10.12
30	Lemmings' Ark	1:33.06
31	I am A.T.	0:47.18
32	Fall and no life (Part Two)	2:01.06

Ichotolot's NeoLemmix Introduction Pack

Skills (click to show/hide)

#	Level Name	Record Time
1	Just Digging Into NeoLemmix	0:48.71
2	Let's Take a Bash At It!	0:50.94
3	Fence & Mine For A Diagonal Line	1:10.94
4	Climb Up, Hang On, Get Along!	1:14.88
5	Block And Blow In The Snow	0:52.53
6	A Float, A Glide, Puts Any Abyss Aside!	0:12.12
7	Building Flat And Building High	2:12.47
8	Stacks And Stones Saved Our Bones	1:09.59
9	Amphibious Engineer Squad	1:00.65
10	Walking On The Cloner Cliffs	0:18.71
11	Jumping Lem Flash	0:23.47
12	Laserslide	1:16.41
13	They Can't Mash Us All!	0:29.47
14	Just Nuke Them!	0:21.29

Objects & Functions (click to show/hide)

#	Level Name	Record Time
1	Up For A Walk?	1:37.65
2	Time Crime	0:47.47
3	Index Error Out Of Bounds	1:14.94
4	Iron Anthill	1:14.76
5	A New Coat Of Paint	2:10.12
6	Trap Roulette	1:55.53
7	Follow The Arrow!	1:50.94
8	Set Your Priorities Right!	0:48.76
9	Pick Them Up And Push Them Down	1:51.59
10	Split And Splat	0:41.82
11	Beam Them Over	2:32.65
12	Gravity Lab	1:27.41
13	Stop, Rewind And Go!	1:29.76
14	Big Steps Through The Snow	3:53.06
15	Getting Into Sorting	0:54.82
16	Highlights With A Safety Net	1:37.18
17	Night Of The Living Lems	2:49.29
18	Neutral Response	1:31.71

Basic Training 1 (click to show/hide)

#	Level Name	Record Time
1	Tower Of Training	2:17.35
2	With Minimal Efforts	2:07.29
3	Headbumper	2:27.12
4	Blocker Rocker	1:46.82
5	Steely Halls	1:19.06
6	Central Fear	0:49.47
7	Limited Release	2:41.18
8	Spiraling Out Of Control	3:12.88
9	Deepfreeze	2:32.71
10	PARKOUR !	1:51.06
11	The Guardian	1:53.59
12	Weightless	0:56.18
13	Distance Control	1:34.41
14	King Of The Sky	0:36.65
15	Backup Wall	2:02.94
16	The Builder Drain	3:29.41
17	Top-Down Approach	1:51.76
18	Reacharound	2:42.24
19	Scrap The Buttons!	2:14.71
20	Airdrop Incoming!	1:24.94
21	Fly Traps	2:05.47
22	It's A Stretch	2:23.71
23	Delaying The Inevitable	3:11.71
24	Chalk Walk	1:44.24
25	The Graveyard	1:04.12
26	Laboratory Of Explosions	2:16.94
27	Containment Breach!	3:18.41
28	Slider's Sacrifice	1:34.35
29	Blastcrawler	5:21.76
30	Oil Processing Plant	4:00.94

Basic Training 2 (click to show/hide)

#	Level Name	Record Time
1	The Joy Of Sorting	1:44.35
2	Hidden Crystalline Temple	2:26.88
3	Dig The Trench!	1:22.82
4	Sandy Danger	1:16.88
5	Lab Workout	1:55.47
6	That Little Extra Help	1:20.65
7	Counterclockwise	0:52.00
8	Keep A Tight Grasp!	2:07.18
9	Cunning Cycle	2:56.00
10	Above The Nile	2:35.24
11	Infinity	1:00.29
12	Platstop	0:45.24
13	Stick The Landing!	1:04.41
14	Steps And Pixels	2:14.24
15	Stepblocked	3:35.88
16	The Steepest Slope	1:41.65
17	A Sudden Change In Direction	2:06.29
18	Concentrated Force	0:30.94
19	Blocked In Your Favor	1:53.88
20	Double Down!	1:54.18
21	Combine & Conquer	4:10.59
22	Fancy Fencer	3:35.00
23	Equal Distribution	2:39.24
24	Snow Splitter	1:28.12
25	Rude Interruption	1:24.29
26	Rescue Ralley	1:47.24
27	Special Staircase	1:02.18
28	Stepping Up To The Stars	1:51.00
29	Shocking Interruption	2:16.94
30	Overruled	1:02.59
31	Pressure Management	0:53.35

Advanced Training (click to show/hide)

#	Level Name	Record Time
1	Stepping Up To A Higher Level	1:25.82
2	Bending Bashers	3:10.94
3	Higher Levels Of Wisdom	2:26.24
4	Walking Over Dead Bodies	2:03.24
5	Curse Of The Gold	1:40.29
6	Pharaoh's Turnaround	1:40.35
7	Checkerboard's Crossing	1:56.12
8	Between A Stone And A Hard Place	0:54.65
9	Shimmichanga	1:36.53
10	The Detour	2:24.24
11	Saving Two Lems With One Bomb	1:22.94
12	Stack And Step	1:58.00
13	Jump The Sausage!	1:52.06
14	Welcome To The Sliderdance!	4:24.71
15	Stacker Of The Sky	1:38.59
16	Caught And Released	1:24.24
17	Sorry, Job Already Taken	1:06.47
18	Blocker's Blindside	0:58.53
19	Beam Up The Equipment!	1:18.65
20	A Different Kind Of Space	2:04.53
21	Welcome To The Crystal Maze!	3:12.76
22	Just As He Was About To Fall	0:54.12
23	Edges Of Glory	1:10.29
24	The Fiddler	0:52.53
25	The Fiddler 2: Electric Boogaloo	0:48.82
26	Revenge Of The Fiddler	0:49.35
27	Victory Lap	2:52.29

WillLem's Lemminas

Magical (click to show/hide)

#	Level	Record Time
1	Welcome The Lemminas	1:31.35
2	We Like To Dig Too	0:15.00
3	Mind The Gap...	1:22.71
4	Lemdon Bridge	2:16.65
5	Lemmina Loop Prevention Service	0:58.35
6	Just Keep Swimming	0:41.29
7	Lemminas Luv M.C. Escher	0:59.53
8	Pyramids of Lem (Under a PepsiCola Sky)	0:56.47
9	Send Them Soaring!	0:38.94
10	Just Shimmy!	0:57.41
11	I'll Go First...	0:58.41
12	Climbing In The Moonlight	0:34.41
13	Believe In Yourself!	0:16.88
14	Lemminas Go Forth	0:48.76
15	A Jumper Would Be Handy!	1:36.65
16	Revenge of the Ice Cream Monster	1:49.29

Sensational (click to show/hide)

#	Level	Record Time
1	Worra Lorra Lemminas!	2:23.12
2	Dimples	0:46.24
3	Backroute To The Future	0:47.88
4	Pillars of Venus	1:40.41
5	See You On The Other Side	1:41.59
6	Hurry!	1:25.18
7	The Melting Block	0:20.82
8	The Continuum	2:22.82
9	Delaying The Inevitable	1:02.06
10	The Strange Boutique	0:47.18
11	The Refrigerator	1:48.65
12	Falling Forever	0:13.53
13	The Unnecessarily Tall Pillars	2:45.47
14	Race To The Top!	1:11.76
15	Many Jumpers Would Be Handy!	1:57.94
16	Escape From Crystal Mountain	3:25.00

Tricksy (click to show/hide)

#	Level	Record Time
1	Who's Doing What?	0:38.47
2	Lemmina PepsiCola Research Event	0:58.06
3	The Milkshake Machine	1:39.53
4	Konbanwa Lemmina-san	1:18.65
5	Lemmina Drops	1:25.94
6	Day of the Daredevils! Part III	1:32.71
7	Easy Peasy Lemmina Squeezy	1:13.00
8	Stainless Steel Lemminas	0:31.88
9	POOR WEE CREATURETTES!	1:10.94
10	Down The Rabbit Hole	0:22.65
11	Lemminas Recurring	0:55.41
12	Soda Streams	2:04.94
13	Nessy II	2:42.18
14	No I in Team	0:44.76
15	Just a Second...	0:00.94
16	The Crystal Cobwebs of Mt. Katie	1:27.06

Pandemonium (click to show/hide)

#	Level	Record Time
1	Lemmina City Steel Facility	1:14.29
2	Milkshake Party	0:59.71
3	Nightmare on Lem Street III	1:15.94
4	Lemgate	1:47.45
5	The Cherry Cola Conundrum	1:44.18
6	L-PoP	0:24.24
7	Falling Forever Part II	0:43.76
8	Staircase to Nowhere III	1:42.59
9	With a Twist of Lemmina Please	0:48.88
10	I'll Just Wait Here, Shall I?	1:44.29
11	Mary Poppins' Land II	2:51.00
12	Erm...	1:22.65
13	Constellations II	2:25.71
14	Save Us	0:37.94
15	Nothing is Impossible	0:39.12
16	Rendezvous at the Mountain Part II	1:22.88

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: WillLem on November 16, 2020, 09:27:57 PM

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Minim on November 26, 2020, 07:47:04 AM

Namida's improvement to Zany 18 on the Minimum Skills thread also reduces the time by around 11 seconds. Good job! I also updated Proxima's SYCLW solution to Manic 17 that has a slightly more sensible time record.

Otherwise, looks like this thread is falling down the order quite quickly. If there are no further responses I'll probably list just the latest update on the main post and the log of improvements in this post.

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Proxima on November 26, 2020, 05:19:14 PM

Fastest time is never likely to be as popular as minimum skills and other challenges, because unless you are really frame-perfect there is always room to improve, and that adds up to a lot of effort per level. Still, since it is tracked by NeoLemmix, I'm interested in improving times (for Redux at least), so I will probably get around to it after we're done with other challenges.

For now, here's a genuine time optimisation on Just a Minute, because there's nothing "sensible" about taking a time record from a replay where I was optimising something else :P

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Minim on November 26, 2020, 05:54:18 PM

I was thinking that would happen; And yes, that solution of yours is a great idea of controlling the crowd, even though there are no hazards ahead. I wonder if this is one of the original backroutes that one of the guys at DMA managed to do until the designer removed that half pillar for Part 2?

Anyway, I've counted your result in, and I'm going to try optimising the new Zany 18 solution with a proper time.

Edit: Zany 18's result now down to 1:29.41, a considerable improvement by nearly 30 seconds. Quite fiddly thanks to me choosing an earlier lemming to mine, resulting in more lemmings not getting trapped, but got there in the end.

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Proxima on November 27, 2020, 02:52:44 AM

If it was a backroute, why would they make a second version of the level instead of just fixing the first one? It's always felt clear to me that the platform is there because you are meant to use it in the first level -- which is why the second one is (intended to be) harder.

Anyway, I've started having a look from the beginning, but these are laborious to do so I'm only doing them in small chunks. Here are my improvements for Gentle 1-16. Gentle 6 (A task for bombers) is obviously impossible to improve further, but even on levels as simple as these, it's hard to make guarantees for most of them.

Most of these are just optimisations of the standard solutions with skill spamming and interrupted miner staircases, but a couple are more interesting -- especially 15 (Darkness of the royal family) in 31 seconds and 16 (A beast of a level) in 55 seconds.

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Proxima on November 27, 2020, 03:09:05 AM

It was bothering me that The Crankshaft was the only Gentle level with a listed time above 2 minutes, so I messed around a bit :P

EDIT: Replaced the replay with a more serious attempt at optimising.

Also, It's hero time in 39.53, another one where I am pretty certain this is the absolute minimum possible.

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Minim on November 28, 2020, 10:37:22 AM

Hey, nice job on Gentle 25. I like the start when you specified the release rate for each bomber across the wall. Also, the climbing bomber looks like it takes a while to do and can only be done once, but it's amazing how much height it covers. Watching another experienced player master these non-basher speed tricks was pretty satisfying.

Just updated the table to include a sub-minute time for Manic 31 (Thanks to namida's 7-skill route, I had enough flexibility with the skills to get them down quickly enough). I also simplified the table by removing the redundant rank names, as result filling was taking ages to write. :P

Edit: Added a sub 45 second solution to Lunatic 6. (Like the min-skills solution, I agree this one is a real giveaway)

Second Edit: Lunatic 13 and 14's records updated to 1:14.53 and 1:06.71 respectively. From 3/12/20 onwards as I am compiling the community's best replays into a single ZIP file, I will be updating the ZIP file rather than scatter updates across different posts. The two attachments that were at the bottom of this post are now on the zip file.

Third Edit: Improved results to Lunatic 26 and 28 confirmed to 1:35.00 and 1:25.88 respectively. 28's update has most certainly been coming considering the shortness of this level.

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Proxima on December 12, 2020, 01:55:18 PM

Still working through Gentle; here are replays for 17-24. Particularly noteworthy savings are "Where do you see Lemmings?" in 39.94 and "Pillar talking" in 1:17.94. (This means "The Crankshaft" is once again the level that requires the most time in this rank.)

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Minim on December 14, 2020, 10:57:42 AM

More time improvements added to Manic and Lunatic: Particularly to Manic 29, "Just a minute 2", the record time is noticeably faster than Part 1 thanks to the additional climber playing a role. So there should be no more of those silly "00.00"s left to find now. :D

Manic 2: 0:39.06
Manic 12: 0:38.53
Manic 15: 1:25.59
Manic 29: 0:47.94
Lunatic 5: 1:39.76
Lunatic 17: 1:12.71

I will also fix an error to Lunatic 31. The record had already been broken beforehand down to 0:47.35. I will update the table and the replays shortly.

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: WillLem on December 16, 2020, 03:24:21 PM

Here's Lunatic 21 The Steel Mines Of Kessel in 2:04.94. I've used all the available Builders and Bombers in this solution, so further optimisations to get it under 2 mins will likely come down to RR magic.

Also, Zany 4 LEMTRIS in 1:24.24. This one's a fairly twiddly multiple-worker solution that could possibly be improved even further with extra twiddliness, but this is about at twiddly as I generally want to be :lemcat:

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Gronkling on December 16, 2020, 05:21:22 PM

Heres some early gentle levels I improved the time on
Gentle 1: 18.88 [-1.65] (I'd imagine this one can still be improved on by a few frames)
Gentle 5: 36.76 36.18 36.12 36.00 [-1.18] (Again, probably can be improved)
Gentle 6: 21.47 [-0.59] (Can't see any way to improve this but maybe it can be done)
Gentle 7: 43.82 43.59 [-0.82] (still feels like there should be a faster method)
Gentle 9: 39.29 [-1.83] (another one with probably a better way to do it)

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Proxima on December 16, 2020, 08:25:56 PM

I had a look at the remaining Gentle levels and was able to improve all of 28-31. No luck yet on 26, 27 or 32.

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Gronkling on December 16, 2020, 11:34:01 PM

Here's a big improvement to gentle 11, with a time of 25.71 [-13.00]
And gentle 12, time 30.47 29.29 [-3.18]
Slight improvement on gentle 13, time 35.59 [-0.76], still feels like some more optimisation could be done on this one though
Even slighter improvement on gentle 15, time 30.59 [-0.41]
Big improvement for gentle 16, time 44.18 [-11.58], another one that seems to have places to improve still

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: namida on December 17, 2020, 04:47:55 AM

This is likely to be my only contribution to this challenge. I felt I had to do one. :P

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Minim on December 17, 2020, 09:34:22 AM

Quite a few improvements picked up by the community last night and this morning. (Thanks for your contributions) I optimised a couple more levels. Also, the Gentle 1 reads "0:17.82" as the result, despite being written as "17.18". Still, I hope everything has been recorded accurately. I refreshed the zip file.

My improvements
Lunatic 21: Improved to 1:54.18 thanks to Proxima's "Crankshaft Bomber" technique (I must keep a record of these techniques sooner rather than later). Still needs optimising for crowd release rate adjustments and narrower gap between builders. Also may need to look at holding the pack with builders if the trap builder somehow becomes an issue.

Manic 31: Improved to 0:47.18 because I took the lower "Vines" route rather than the higher "Gem & Steel" route.

Zany 4: is now 1:24.06, a minor improvement to WillLem's solution, but that digger wasn't needed at the end because he had 1 lemming available to lose. :P

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Gronkling on December 17, 2020, 10:55:33 AM

Building on namida's replay, got gentle 1 down to 17.12
Shaved some seconds off the first >1 minute level, gentle 17, time 1.13.82 [-4.30], but I'm sure there's more room for improvement.
Just over a second off gentle 19 too, time 38.18 [-1.76]

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: WillLem on December 17, 2020, 02:10:16 PM

Quote from: Minim on December 17, 2020, 09:34:22 AM

thanks to Proxima's "Crankshaft Bomber" technique (I must keep a record of these techniques sooner rather than later)

Interesting... what's the technique?

If you do keep a record of these, I'd be super interested to read it! :lemcat:

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Minim on December 17, 2020, 04:45:14 PM

Quote from: WillLem on December 17, 2020, 02:10:16 PM

Quote from: Minim on December 17, 2020, 09:34:22 AM

thanks to Proxima's "Crankshaft Bomber" technique (I must keep a record of these techniques sooner rather than later)

Interesting... what's the technique?

If you do keep a record of these, I'd be super interested to read it! :lemcat:

OK then. See if I can explain somebody else's original technique well here. I realise I must also congratulate him for that too if I haven't already, so congrats, Proxima! :P

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Basically the Spawn rate (Opposite of Release rate) is set at 17 before the first lemming comes out (or on this level, a bit higher because of lower ground before the first bomber is set), but the main part is that after 1 lemming spawns, the rate is set to 19; and then afterwards, the rate goes up by 1 for every consecutive lemming that is chosen to bomb across.

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Gronkling on December 17, 2020, 05:27:29 PM

Gentle 20 reduced a little bit to 30.06 [-0.65]

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: namida on December 17, 2020, 05:41:13 PM

Reply to part of Minim's spoiler above (click to show/hide)

Quote

Basically the Spawn rate (Opposite of Release rate) is set at 17

For reference, this is equivalent to a release rate of 86. (To convert either SR or RR to the other, subtract it from 103.)

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Pooty on December 17, 2020, 07:09:35 PM

I have 4 more improvements I'd like to share.

Gentle 25 ("The Crankshaft") has been improved to 1:17.18

The Crankshaft (click to show/hide)

I noticed that at the end of Proxima's solution, he had some blockers and diggers spare before the final pillar. There is a trick that can be used using those two skills to speed through the final pillar, bearing in mind that other diggers can free blockers. It is tough to execute though because there is a chance that the blockers can turn other lemmings around instead of the intended use of stopping diggers.

Gentle 31 ("Doomsday") has been improved to 0:35.88
Quirky 08 ("A Spot of Bother") has been improved to 0:52.35
Zany 01 ("The bridge is breaking down.") has been improved to 1:03.76

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Gronkling on December 17, 2020, 07:46:33 PM

Gentle 21 improved to 21.29 [-1.18s]
Gentle 22 to 24.53 [-1.71s]
I got gentle 24 to the point where I believe it's provably completely optimal, the last lemming to exit simply walks straight from the entrance to the exit, with no jumping up or falling down to slow them. time: 1:04.53 (-1.23)

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: WillLem on December 17, 2020, 11:31:05 PM

Quote from: Minim on December 17, 2020, 04:45:14 PM

the Spawn rate (Opposite of Release rate)

How is it opposite? I thought they were one and the same thing ???

Also, thanks for the explanation :lemcat:

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Proxima on December 17, 2020, 11:45:43 PM

Quote from: WillLem on December 17, 2020, 11:31:05 PM

How is it opposite? I thought they were one and the same thing ???

They measure the same thing, but are inverted respective to each other. Spawn Interval is the number of frames between two successive lemming releases, so a high SI = slow release = low RR.

Specifically, with the revised type of RR present in new-formats, SI = 103 - RR and vice versa.

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Gronkling on December 18, 2020, 12:14:52 AM

Slight improvement to gentle 26, 52.71 (-0.64), better is definitely better here though
Another very small one for gentle 28, 1.09.29 (-0.50)
And one for gentle 30, 16.71 (-0.64)

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: WillLem on December 18, 2020, 12:46:14 AM

Quote from: Proxima on December 17, 2020, 11:45:43 PM

They measure the same thing, but are inverted respective to each other. Spawn Interval is the number of frames between two successive lemming releases, so a high SI = slow release = low RR.

Specifically, with the revised type of RR present in new-formats, SI = 103 - RR and vice versa.

Ah, of course - that makes sense! Thanks for explaining :lemcat:

So, in the example given by Minim, the RR would be

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

-17 (+ 103), then -19 (+103), then +1 for each consecutive Bomber

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Minim on December 18, 2020, 09:58:47 AM

Plenty of improvements picked up by the community last night (Thanks once again! :thumbsup:). I also optimised some more Lunatic & Manic levels yesterday, particularly Lunatic 12, which beats the two-minute mark. I also managed to take two frames off on Gentle 22 this morning, partially due to the overuse on floaters, but have to admire the creativity of the rescue stair from the exit platform. Nice job!

Here's my full list from yesterday, apparently in reverse order...
Lunatic 29: 3:11.65
Lunatic 15: 1:17.71
Lunatic 12: 1:57.71
Lunatic 11: 1:38.65
Lunatic 10: 1:46.47
Lunatic 9: 1:26.06
Manic 11: 1:31.65
Manic 6: 0:18.24
Manic 4: 0:55.65
Manic 3: 2:31.24

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Gronkling on December 18, 2020, 05:40:16 PM

Did you see my other gentle solutions? Only some of the seem to have been added to the chart.
I managed to improve on Pooty's really good solution to Gentle 31 by half a second, new time 35.41 (-0.47)
Major improvement to Quirky 1, new time 27.47 (-10.00)
Huge improvement to Quirky 5, new time 1.22.27 (-40.44)
Quirky 6 -> 26.59 (-5.94)
Quirky 7 -> 2.21.12 (-2.64)

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: WillLem on December 19, 2020, 05:32:59 AM

Another improvement to Zany 4 LEMTRIS, with a totally different solution this time - 01:16.65 (-8 seconds) :lemcat:

Also, Zany 11 LemMing ToMato KetchUp FAcilitY in 00:27.71 8-)

And finally, Manic 30 POOR WEE CREATURES in 01:41.53. I tried various different crowd control methods for the end section and always got this same result, so I'm fairly certain this is non-improvable (by me, at least) :P

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Minim on December 19, 2020, 06:33:56 AM

Quote from: Gronkling on December 18, 2020, 05:40:16 PM

Did you see my other gentle solutions? Only some of the seem to have been added to the chart.

Probably not, and I hope to do so eventually. Sorry, but I was busy last night, and so many contributors took part the night before. Do you know which level numbers I've left out? Checking to see if I've downloaded everything plus updating the table is quite a tough job.

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Gronkling on December 19, 2020, 12:03:27 PM

Quote from: Minim on December 19, 2020, 06:33:56 AM

Do you know which level numbers I've left out?

g. 01 - 17.12
g. 11 - 25.71
g. 12 - 29.29
g. 13 - 35.59
g. 15 - 30.59
g. 16 - 44.18
g. 17 - 1.13.82
g. 19 - 38.18
g. 31 - 35.41
q. 01 - 27.47
q. 05 - 1.22.27
q. 06 - 26.59
q. 07 - 2.21.12
z. 04 - 1:16.65 (willlem)
z. 11 - 27.71 (willlem)
m. 30 - 1:41.53 (willlem)

EDIT: I missed gentle 31: 35.41

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Gronkling on December 21, 2020, 04:04:27 AM

Some more solutions

Quirky 10 - 1.15.65 (-1.76)
Quirky 11 - 0.44.24 (-9.29)
Quirky 12 - 0.34.12 (-1.06)
Quirky 13 - 0.30.82 (-3.89)

Also gentle 31 record (35.41) needs adding to chart

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: WillLem on December 21, 2020, 08:36:11 AM

Here's Zany 6 Compression Method 1 in 00:57.88 (-3 seconds) to bring it under the minute.

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Proxima on December 21, 2020, 01:58:11 PM

I had a go at the two 3-minute levels to see whether either could be brought under 3 minutes. No luck, but I did slightly improve the current records on both.

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Minim on December 21, 2020, 03:39:44 PM

Good job, WillLem. However, I also had a go at Zany 6 today and managed a faster time: 0:55.59. New zip file containing my replay will be updated shortly.

My other improvements are:
Zany 5: 0:47.24
Manic 1: 0:58.12
Manic 3: 2:26.41
Manic 5: 0:46.59
Lunatic 3: 1:33.88
Lunatic 6: 0:39.65

For Zany 5, I went over the water this time. Gronkling's "Doomsday" two-lem speed building trick could be used here to speed the building here further.

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Gronkling on December 21, 2020, 04:23:03 PM

The two lemming building trick was used in Pooty's solution so it's their advancement, I just improved on their containment method. It's definitely a useful technique if you have enough bashers and builders.

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Gronkling on December 22, 2020, 10:31:32 AM

Some morning improvements

Quirky 17 - 1:17.41 (-1.00.88)
Quirky 18 - 2:02.41 (-6.71)
Quirky 19 - 1:07.82 (-29.18)
Quirky 20 - 0:27.29 (-1.47)
Quirky 21 - 0:59.24 (-13.35)
Quirky 22 - 2:09.35 (-19.77)

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Minim on December 22, 2020, 02:12:18 PM

A few more improvements to other random levels from me this morning:
Zany 32: 2:01.35
Zany 31: 2:10.88

Lunatic 27: 0:31.41 (I've finally managed to backroute this level and ignore the parts below :P)
Lunatic 23: 0:50.24
Lunatic 22: 2:29.65

Manic 24: 2:12.53
Manic 13: 1:47.76 (The first time this level is beaten in 2 minutes. This was a real :forehead: moment. You don't always have to bash underneath the mouse trap... May not work on DOS however thanks to dodgy miner/right OWW mechanics.)

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Proxima on December 22, 2020, 02:25:35 PM

Quote from: Minim on December 22, 2020, 02:12:18 PM

Lunatic 27: 0:31.41 (I've finally managed to backroute this level and ignore the parts below :P)

Replay please? There is still time for this to be fixed :P

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Minim on December 22, 2020, 02:41:18 PM

Sure. Here you go. :)

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Proxima on December 22, 2020, 03:26:14 PM

Well, that's a stumper. I must admit that I don't see any possible way to fix that, without really ugly hacks like putting fire objects on the terrain around the hatch, so I may just have to let you get away with that one :P

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Minim on December 22, 2020, 08:31:08 PM

This trick could potentially be useful for any level involving an opposite facing exit, blockers, bashers and lots of spare builders. I used it to solve Lunatic 26 in just 52 seconds. 8-) Replay is attached to the zip file.

Other results this evening so far are:
Manic 26: 0:56.47 (Similar to the published solution but uses an extra blocker)
Zany 24: 0:35.88 (Because there are 100 lems and a 99 release rate I wanted to find a quicker way to let the last lemming reach the exit. I had to build towards the entrance but also needed to find a way redirect the builder towards the exit before the last lem arrives.)

I also fixed an error to Zany 25. The result is 1:04.94.

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Gronkling on December 22, 2020, 08:44:08 PM

Finishing off quirky for the time being

Quirky 24 - 0:59.71 (-35.47)
Quirky 27 - 1:10.29 (-12.47)
Quirky 29 - 1:21.88 (-40.06)
Quirky 30 - 0:54.65 (-1.70)
Quirky 31 - 0:53.59 (-2.59)

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Minim on December 23, 2020, 07:28:03 AM

Wow, Gronkling. By looking at those replays, well spotted backroute on Quirky 24. Should be a much easier one to fix I bet.

Also, a totally majestic solution to Quirky 30! I didn't think a basher could actually rise a pixel on the builder's stair while bashing close to the next wall. I don't think this trick will be easy to copy, :P but nonetheless a great spot indeed, and it's nice to see something different like this.

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Minim on January 01, 2021, 07:22:12 AM

Along with the new year comes a major update for Redux levels. Unfortunately I decided it will be too tedious to write the full list and just update the table instead. :P The latest replays will always be at the top of the "Date Modified" column after being sorted. Some of the replays have also been updated to reduce clutter. Gronkling's replays that I've somewhat missed from Reply #13 have finally been added to the ZIP file. Enjoy the show!

I'm going to move on from Redux and focus on a different pack this year, although I'm not quite sure which one it will be yet. GeoffLems could be a strong contender, as WillLem published a full set of solutions there, although I also remember contributing to a bit of DoveLems too. Maybe I should go between the NL years and do LPIII? What's the next most popular "No-Longer-Updated" pack that will work best for this challenge?

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Minim on January 20, 2021, 06:59:46 AM

OK, it appears nobody has any suggestions then. :-\

But anyway, after doing a Mass Replay Check on the updated version of Redux, it has been revealed that Gentle 32's "Going Their Separate Ways" has been replaced and the solution is no longer possible with the published replay. I have taken down the attachment file until we get a new conclusive replay for this level. The last time recorded (I think) was 0:51.65, so let's see if we can aim for (and hopefully beat) this time. I will also need to check the other updated levels and record any changes to results.

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: WillLem on January 21, 2021, 01:49:13 AM

Quote from: Minim on January 01, 2021, 07:22:12 AM

Maybe I should go between the NL years and do LPIII?

+1 for this: current custom packs need a bit more love.

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Proxima on January 21, 2021, 06:07:37 AM

Quote from: Minim on January 20, 2021, 06:59:46 AM

But anyway, after doing a Mass Replay Check on the updated version of Redux, it has been revealed that Gentle 32's "Going Their Separate Ways" has been replaced and the solution is no longer possible with the published replay. I have taken down the attachment file until we get a new conclusive replay for this level. The last time recorded (I think) was 0:51.65, so let's see if we can aim for (and hopefully beat) this time. I will also need to check the other updated levels and record any changes to results.

Going Their Separate Ways in 0:49.88

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Minim on January 21, 2021, 12:35:45 PM

Thanks for doing this, Proxima. The table has been updated for you.

Only one level has been improved with the update, Zany 6. The time so far is 0:47.06, an eight second difference. Thanks to the lower save requirement the number of methods open up a little bit.

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: WillLem on February 03, 2021, 12:39:58 AM

Any% speedrun of Taxing in 24:56 (https://youtu.be/y_N7tCb1maU).

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: WillLem on February 10, 2021, 07:36:18 AM

LPI - Mild 30 - You Just Lost The Game in <35s :lemcat:

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Minim on February 10, 2021, 07:51:53 AM

I've updated the OP again, changing the link to the corresponding Redux pack (Which is now but temporarily on the NL Main board) and updating info there. Now that Ichotolot's NeoLemmix Introduction Pack is added to the main download, I'm also planning to include results for them.

Edit: I forgot to mention this: :forehead: With the new update changing the nuke mechanics, I might occasionally press nuke before all required lemmings reach the exit, leaving me short of the requirement. I'll need to look at the Mass Replay Check again just in case. If my replays affect any of these levels, fixing should be relatively straightforward.

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Proxima on February 10, 2021, 01:48:48 PM

Quote from: Minim on February 10, 2021, 07:51:53 AM

Edit: I forgot to mention this: :forehead: With the new update changing the nuke mechanics, I might occasionally press nuke before all required lemmings reach the exit, leaving me short of the requirement. I'll need to look at the Mass Replay Check again just in case. If my replays affect any of these levels, fixing should be relatively straightforward.

Mechanics have not changed. All that's changed is that you can assign a hotkey to "skip back 5 seconds, nuke, skip forward 5 seconds" so as to start nuking immediately. If you choose not to assign a hotkey to this, nothing has changed at all.

One thing that has changed, though, is "Quest for Kieran", which is now accurate to the DOS level layout, even though that makes it a tad easier on NL, since DOS builders have a weird asymmetry that makes them less good at stretching to the left. Here's a solution in 38.94.

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Proxima on March 02, 2021, 09:31:58 AM

Just a heads-up: today's update to Redux (which should be the very final update, unless major bugs are discovered that require fixing) has changed a few levels, and in particular, the decisions about which way the trapdoors should face will affect time records. It's probably best to mark these levels with an asterisk so that we don't lose information about what the old record was, but a new record still counts even if it's worse, as the old one may not be matchable. (However, on some levels, the trapdoor flipping may make an even lower time possible!)

Affected levels are:

Gentle 5 "You need bashers this time" (skillset)
Gentle 8 "Snuggle up to a lemming"
Quirky 12 "Over the wall"
Quirky 13 "Haunted botanical garden"
Quirky 21 "The Long Way Around"
Zany 20 "Dolly Dimple"
Manic 18 "The gate trap Lemmings"
Lunatic 10 "Be more than just a number"
Lunatic 16 "SEGA Four"
Lunatic 17 "Creature Discomforts"
Lunatic 24 "Everyone's a hard nut" (slight terrain difference; unlikely to affect time records)

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Minim on March 02, 2021, 10:12:33 AM

OK Thanks! :) I've taken down the Redux replays and I will download the updated version and have a look at these changed levels.

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Minim on March 03, 2021, 10:34:07 AM

Must mention before I forget: The old Gentle 5 solution is hilarious to watch with the new update. :D

Right. I made a full list of updated time records yesterday, and I'll soon gather these new replays into the file and upload the folder in the OP again. Here they are, with hints in spoiler tags.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Gentle 5: 0:36.41. I went a slightly different way to finish by walking over the first part of the grid and then bashing down.
Gentle 8: 0:18.35. This was a relatively straightforward improvement, not that I could physically pull it off though. After seeing the solution I removed the blocker and re-assigned all the lems in the appropriate frames with a text editor.
Quirky 12: 0:33.88. The old replay was another one that started with an instant blocker. I realised that if any replay creates this sort of situation, I can just simply use the text editor to remove the blocker and repeat the process of reducing frames for every skill assignment. This replay is trickier because it does has a few RR changes; so I'll need to check the SPAWNED count, but I don't think that would've affected anything else too badly.
Quirky 13: I was able to pull off the exact same time; just assigned the right side digger earlier.
Quirky 21: 0:56.53. Simply took 46 frames off every assignment here. Must admire the lovely solution too.
Zany 20: 0:46.88 (13 seconds better than the original :o) Once I figured out who was able to do what, I simply assigned the worker for the first lemming.
Manic 18: 1:01.41. I went a different way and ended up saving much more time! The time could be optimised even further to accommodate crowd release, but it could be a hassle, particularly with how many lems you'll need in the digger's pit.
Lunatic 10: 1:39.18. As well as optimising the frames, I was able to move the starting point of the crowd release builder at least 1 pixel to the right so that it doesn't bump into the wall unlike last time round.
Lunatic 16: 1:46.12. More frame reduction editing here.
Lunatic 17: 1:10.00. Like Manic 18, this level still needs RR optimising to put the climbers in the same place, but otherwise I think this is the fastest way to get them home.

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Proxima on March 03, 2021, 11:43:54 AM

Congratulations! Good to know the old records were able to be matched or surpassed in all cases but one. :thumbsup:

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: WillLem on March 03, 2021, 03:33:13 PM

Quote from: Minim on March 03, 2021, 10:34:07 AM

Must mention before I forget: The old Gentle 5 solution is hilarious to watch with the new update. :D

Replay? Video? Don't be such a tease, Minim! :lemcat:

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Proxima on March 03, 2021, 03:37:56 PM

Replay is the one from Gronkling's post (https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=5200.msg88606#msg88606) on the first page.

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Crane on March 04, 2021, 05:23:28 PM

"No added colours or lemmings"... 48.06 seconds.

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Crane on March 04, 2021, 06:29:16 PM

Not as ground-breaking, but I managed to shave about a second off "The Great Lemming Caper" (49.35) - also a talisman solution.

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Minim on March 04, 2021, 09:57:30 PM

That Lunatic 4 solution of yours was, in a word, INCREDIBLE! :thumbsup: How you managed to keep the two climbers is absurd. I'll see if I can copy that miner blocker trick in other levels though. :P

As for 23, that was a classic oversight. Good job. I've put both records into my document and I'll update the thread for you.

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Crane on March 04, 2021, 10:03:46 PM

Thank you for the kind (and big!) word.  I think it might be the first backroute ever for that level (although the precision required may mean it doesn't really count as one).

Also got a solution for Anxiety... 1:27.18

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Crane on March 04, 2021, 10:22:52 PM

Improved it further... 1:20.71

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Crane on March 08, 2021, 10:43:29 AM

Chill Out - 15.41

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Crane on March 08, 2021, 11:36:03 PM

Let's get together - 51.71

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Minim on March 10, 2021, 08:03:43 AM

Thanks, Crane. I also made several small improvements to levels, mostly optimising to save the exact requirement; However, some others, such as "Tension Sheet" Quirky 29, which had a "Random Generator" effect on release, which can be annoying sometimes but I found this one quite fun. Replay attached is the "1:18.18" solution, which takes three seconds off! It's nice to come back every once in a while with your memory refreshed. :D

I am also going to add the NeoLemmix Introduction Pack results under a separate attachment. It's been two weeks since I submitted my replays to Ichotolot on the main thread. I still haven't seen him commentate on my replays yet, but if he gets back to me and considers swapping levels then I'll rename my replays accordingly. The same goes with any backroute fixes that I may have found.

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Proxima on March 12, 2021, 04:42:16 PM

I've reordered the packs in the OP. For NeoLemmix challenge topics, I would like to keep packs in a consistent order: Redux first, then Original Lemmings (for challenges where this has been covered), then other packs in alphabetical order by author.

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Minim on March 12, 2021, 09:59:21 PM

Thanks, Proxima. I agree that Redux should be listed first.

Also, as you mentioned Original Lemmings, I noticed that you've sorted out that level pack ready for challenges again! :thumbsup:

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Proxima on March 12, 2021, 10:08:23 PM

Not quite. Several of the sub-packs are pretty much done now (L1, ONML, Covox, Prima, SMS, PSP, 2P and Miscellaneous Levels); Genesis and Holiday are well under way; NES will take a while because I want to play through the actual NES version so I can check how accurate the conversions are; I haven't started on L2 or the ZX Spectrum levels. But yes, the conversions as a whole are coming along 8-)

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: WillLem on March 19, 2021, 04:25:19 PM

Here's Hunt The Nessy in 3:58.94. Building over Nessy appears to be the fastest solution. This was optimised down from 4:07.XX, which involved bashing through Nessy instead.

This was played in the new L1 conversion (https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=4900.msg90861#msg90861).

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Crane on May 13, 2021, 02:50:40 AM

The race against cliches - 2:05.24

Change up the timings a bit and this can be a zero Floater solution too.

This can be done a few seconds faster in the Oh Noi More Lemmings version due to the direction of the trapdoor.

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Minim on May 13, 2021, 09:36:32 AM

Good work. I have optimised the floaters and RR to improve that time to 2:04.47.

This may be opening the floodgates, but I have released solutions to the NeoLemmix Introduction Pack at the top of this thread. Good luck with these!

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Minim on February 27, 2022, 11:26:46 AM

I was aware about the major update to the NeoLemmix Introduction Pack, and have updated the table with new results. I also made a few more optimisations to older levels, all are listed at the top of the page.

The door is still open BTW if anybody has any suggestions for Level Packs, especially those with multiple solutions to levels, and also those including the new skills (Laserer and Slider) if anybody's interested!

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: CraftyRaf on May 19, 2023, 03:05:16 PM

Hi all, I'm new to this channel.
A few questions about these time trials:
- Those are for NeoLemmix on PC, so you can pause etc.?
- Do you need the talisman in order to succeed? Or is the normal quest good enough?

My record for Manic (14) - Come over to my place (without talisman), is 34.12s instead of 34.53s. How to 'prove' it?
Thank you!

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Proxima on May 19, 2023, 03:30:15 PM

All NL quality-of-life features, including pausing, are fine to use. All NL challenges (unless specifically stated otherwise) require just the normal solution, not any talismans.

You can prove your result by saving a replay, by pressing the "save replay" hotkey (U by default) either after the last skill assignment, or on the postview screen.

NL has automatic replay-saving turned on by default, so you may have a replay already -- look inside Replay/Auto/Lemmings_Redux inside your NL folder.

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: CraftyRaf on May 19, 2023, 03:38:12 PM

Thanks for the swift reply!
My record for Manic (14) - Come over to my place (without talisman), is 34.12s instead of 34.53s.

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: CraftyRaf on May 20, 2023, 10:20:37 PM

Lunatic 12: From 1:57.71 -> 1:41.06

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: CraftyRaf on May 20, 2023, 11:00:50 PM

Lunatic 19: From 1:04.24 -> 59.94

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: CraftyRaf on May 21, 2023, 12:04:15 PM

Lunatic 30: 3:09.94 -> 2:55:94

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: CraftyRaf on May 24, 2023, 08:58:25 PM

Manic 17 0:50.24 -> 0:44.82
Manic 21 1:09.59 -> 1:06.41
Manic 22 0:54:29 -> 0:48:06
Manic 25 0:56.94 -> 0:46.76

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: CraftyRaf on May 24, 2023, 09:01:06 PM

Manic 01: 0:51.71 -> 0:50:59
Manic 11: 1:31.65 -> 1:30.65
Manic 12: 0:38.53 -> 0:35.18
Manic 13: 1:47.76 -> 1:45.41

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: CraftyRaf on May 26, 2023, 10:20:03 PM

Zany 2: 1:43.24 -> 1:42.65
Zany 9: 2:48.00 -> 1:40.18
Zany 14: 1:19.71 -> 1:06.41
Zany 22: 1:38.88 -> 1:33.41

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Crane on June 19, 2023, 08:38:29 AM

Improved on my solution a couple of years ago. Lunatic 23 - The Great Lemming Caper: 0:48.82.

Also: Lunatic 30 - Lemmings' Ark: 1:54.65. (This is an entire minute off the previous record of 2:55.94!)

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Crane on June 19, 2023, 07:24:11 PM

Improved Lemmings' Ark even further - 1:33.06.  Special thanks to APG77 and Paiy for the tips.

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Paiy on June 19, 2023, 07:41:18 PM

final impendiment in 24.94

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Paiy on June 19, 2023, 07:47:46 PM

let's go camping in 11.47

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Paiy on June 19, 2023, 09:56:37 PM

improved final impediment a little more 22.00 maybe sub 22s at some point

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Paiy on June 19, 2023, 11:29:57 PM

lunch time in 1:01.12

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Paiy on June 20, 2023, 12:13:50 AM

improved lunch time 58.35

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Paiy on June 20, 2023, 12:21:22 AM

improved let's go camping from 11.47 to 10.76

Title: Re: [NeoLemmix] Fastest Time Records
Post by: Paiy on June 20, 2023, 07:07:47 PM

no added colours or lemmings in 41.35