[NeoLemmix] ArtLems

[Colorful Arty]

Y'all. IT'S FINALLY HERE!

...or what I actually finished that is. I originally planned there to be 20 levels in each rank, and there are far less than that, but hopefully what I did finish is enjoyable!

For those who don't know, ArtLems is an art/classical music based pack, where each rank attempts to replicate a different art period with music from said era as well. The pack is going to be a lot harder than my other pack SubLems. Each rank has some pretty tough levels in it (except perhaps the first one), and the ranks don't necessary ascend in terms of difficulty (later ranks may have levels much easier than earlier ranks, so feel free to jump around the pack).

I may end up updating this pack with more levels in the future, since I feel bad most of the ranks only have a single digit amount of levels in them, but we'll wait and see.

Anyways, I hope you enjoy!


Download instructions

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zn65f84t78z3u0r/ArtLems_V1.3.zip?dl=1

Extract the ArtLems V1.3 folder to your levels folder.
Extract the artlems folder to your styles folder.
Extract the ArtLems Music folder to your music folder.


Ancient

The earliest period. This is before traditional art like paintings and drawings were around, but the levels will instead focus on ancient civilizations and their architecture, as well as natural environments untouched by mankind. Since there is no recorded music from back then, I've chosen music reminiscent of the various ancient places you visit. Most of these are tutorial levels, but you'll get a few tricky levels by the end. This rank has 16 levels in it.


Byzantine's Temple of the Lion


Medieval

After the fall of the Roman Empire, the Medieval period began. Now we have the means to create paintings and more beautiful structures. Religion is also a large component of the artwork. The levels are designed to either be modeled after Medieval locations or look like simple Medieval artwork. The music features lots of flutes, lutes, and pipes. This rank starts pretty simple, but the last few levels are quite difficult. This rank has 14 levels in it.


Church of Saint Stephen


Renaissance

And now that the Dark Ages are over, we enter the Golden Age of the Renaissance! No longer is the art dreary or bland, but now they are vibrant and full of color! Religious themes are still reflected in the artwork, and the music is more vibrant with a larger selection of instruments. The puzzles here are fairly simple, but elegant at the same time. This rank has a mere 5 levels.


Terramort


Baroque

The Renaissance is over. The Baroque period features more ornate art, with greater detail and emotion. The music has gotten more emotional and deep as well. The puzzles are much more complex than the previous ranks, with many working parts that need to come together. This rank has 6 levels in it.


Playing in the winter


NeoClassical

Now the art has gotten simpler, with strict rules governing how things should look. The music is also a bit more structured, with the piano taking the center stage. The puzzles have gotten trickier still, with some requiring severe thinking to suss out, but they tend to be smaller than the Baroque puzzles. This rank has a mere 4 levels in it.


For Elise


Romantic

Now the art is getting really passionate! Artists are focusing on making their art and music as emotional as possible. The levels are designed to make you feel emotions when you see them. Orchestras are larger than ever before, allowing for loud, complex, and emotional music as well. This rank is the smallest, with only 3 levels in it.


A Night on Lem Mountain


Modernist

The final period. Here I've meshed the remaining art periods after the Romantic period into a single rank. Modern art seeks to experiment with what can be made, regardless of if it looks good or works well. Classical music becomes more atonal to break the rules, and now video game music is used for most levels (to avoid copyright claims on people LPing this). The end of this rank features some of the toughest puzzles I could make. This rank has 10 levels.


Art's Abstraction

[Flopsy]

Great looking level pack, a lot of work has gone into this level pack clearly.

Although you did not reach the intended amount of levels, the levels that made it into the pack all look very strong and challenging enough to make for a great playing experience.

Modernist Level 9 seems to not load for me however (Castle of frightful lucidity).
I tried loading it in the editor and it seems to be down to the following being missing.
ichotolot_pieuw_castle/objects/fire_green

EDIT: This is because I did not have the up-to-date styles download, just in case anyone else has this problem.

[mantha16]

been looking forward to this pack hope my meagre skills are up to it.

[chrisleec728]

I've just played through some of the levels and I really like the design as well as some of the musical selections. I have a few comments mainly regarding the latter:

Ancient 2 (The Crypt of Ramses II) honorable track mentions: Any of the Egyptian-themed tracks from various Lemmings games (I actually recently made a playlist of them on YouTube).

Medieval 3 (Morgachov's Golden Manor): Is there supposed to be an ONML track here or something else?

Medieval rank honorable track mentions: Any of the medieval-themed tracks from various Lemmings games as well as Vurez' medieval arrangement used in IchoTolot's Lemmings Reunion.

Renaissance 2 (Oh Lord, my Savior): I'm perplexed as to what Schubert's "Ave Maria" is doing here, as Schubert (as well as Beethoven) was either late Classical or early Romantic (or both).

Baroque rank: Too bad "Vivaldi's Spring Break" didn't make it into the pack as it's the only season not featured.

Baroque 5 (Out of the ashes of hell): It's possible that the "Adagio" often attributed to Albinoni (a Baroque composer) was actually entirely written in the 20th century by Remo Giazzotto, but it may contain enough Baroque-ish elements for it to work here.

Modernist rank: What, no Stravinsky's "Rite of Spring" or Schoenbergian atonality?

Modernist 1 (Minimalism): While my favorite version of Arvo Part's "Fratres" is the one for solo violin, string orchestra and percussion, the most "minimalist" version might be the one for string quartet as it contains fewer instruments and notes. (See also: the same composer's "Spiegel im Spiegel".)

[ccexplore]

Thanks for bringing this pack to attention.  I don't have much free time nowadays to play levels extensively, but didn't realize this one has music selection taken from the western classical music tradition.  Now I'm a little curious to hear some of the music used.

One unfortunate terminological issue:  in music, neoclassicism actually refers to a 20th-century movement, a kind of modernist take on the classical approach to music.  The older period that it references and that your rank would correspond to (ie. the one featuring such composers as Mozart and Haydn) is simply called "classical" when it comes to music.  Now I do realize you are naming the ranks based on western art periods rather than music, so technically there's nothing wrong.  Of course, you then also have a level title reference to Fur Elise by Beethoven, whose music were generally considered more of a transition from classical to romantic.

But whatever, levels are levels and they look fun.

[ericderkovits]

I downloaded this pack. Very artistic levels. great job.

[ericderkovits]

ok finished the 1st rank(ancient)

here are the replays.

some of the levels were easy, but some were not so easy. Of course for me nothing is easy. I even got 5 of the 10 talismans which were in this rank.

Nice artistic levels(music is ok, not really fond of it though)

on to Medivial rank

Now I'm stuck on level 5(Medieval) If they exchanged the basher for a miner I could solve. Level is too hard for me.

UPDATE: Ok solved level 5(Medieval).

[ericderkovits]

ok, finished the 2nd rank (Medieval). These levels were very hard for me. Probably the hardest was level 12 though. I even got the 2 Talismans in this rank (including level 12).
Probably my favorite level in this rank was level 11 (Church of Saint Stephen).

Anyways here are my replays for the Medieval rank.
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[ericderkovits]

ok, The Renaissance rank is finished (only 5 levels in this rank). These levels were quite easy. Only level 4 gave me a little bit of trouble. Still not too difficult.

Here are my replays.

[ericderkovits]

ok, I just want to mention Baroque level 1 is not possible in 12.9.4 as the glider physics is different. I also suspected it.  In 12.94 the glider doesn't land on the terrain to the right after dropping from climbed terrain to the left of it. In 12.82 he does. So I am now using 12.82 for this pack unless Colorful Arty does an update for any
levels that won't work in 12.94. So if anybody wants to play this pack I would suggest 12.82 the latest one in 12.8x

Also Ancient level 11 I had to slightly alter my replay(due to glider physics) in my 12.94 to work with 12.82. Solution is still the same just had to slightly pick when to use the glider.
All the other replays work in both 12.82 and 12.94.

Anyways here is my Baroque level 1 replay(will not work in 12.94 only in 12.8x)

Also included my 12.82 replay of Ancient 11.

Also I got 1 more level in the Baroque rank to try to solve. Level 2. This rank is very difficult. I'm surprised I've solved all the other ones in this rank(outside level 2 which I'm working on)
Definitely level 6 of Baroque is the hardest(I absoluty hate the level). Even after I solved it, it still would take me a long time to repeat it.

[Armani]

ok, I just want to mention Baroque level 1 is not possible in 12.9.4 as the glider physics is different. I also suspected it.  In 12.94 the glider doesn't land on the terrain to the right after dropping from climbed terrain to the left of it. In 12.82 he does.

I played Baroque01 and I totally agree with you that the level is broken after the glider physic patch.
And I also found an (100% sure)backroute to the level.

[ericderkovits]

oh wow, Yeah that would work in 12.94 since you didn't even use the glider in this backroute. I know the intended way will not work in 12.94 as you also agree. Thanks armani for the backroute replay. But I'll still stay with 12.82 since I don't know what other levels may be affected in the following levels that I'm playing(with the glider physics).

[ericderkovits]

ok, I solved level 2 of Baroque, so I'm done with this rank(only 6 levels) and only the 1st level(which had the glider issue) was actually easy for me. The other 5 were hard. But level 6 I think is
too hard, I think that level was too fiddly. So it isn't even a fun level even after solving it. And level 5 was real hard, especially to get the Talisman which I finally was able to do.
My favorite level in this rank was level 4, Playing in the Winter. It was a hard level but it least it wasn't fiddly once solved. Also the level is the biggest in size. But after many tries I solved it.

This rank had 1 Talisman (level 5) which I got.

And I think Arty was right, this pack is harder than his Sublems.

Note: my replay for level 1 will only work in 12.8x(maybe earlier too), but not in 12.9x, due to the glider patch.

Anyways here are my Baroque rank replays.

[ericderkovits]

ok, Neo-Classical rank is done.

Except for level 3(which is a nightmare-also super difficult and super fiddly), the levels were pretty easy.

Level 3 (Fur Elise) I liked the music, but abhored the level. This level to only have 5 builders; That is ridiculous. Should have had maybe 2 more. By far that level is the hardest so far. And it's
not even a fun level.

Also only 1 Talisman in the rank(level 1). The Talisman was easy to get too.

Anyways here are my replays for the Neo-Classical rank(only 4 levels in the rank)

[ericderkovits]

Ok, The Romantic Rank is done(only 3 levels).

Of the 3, level 1 took me the longest to figure out, although it was a small and quick level; only a few skills in the level.

My favorite of the 3 was level 2(Flight of the Bumblebee). Not too difficult, although it was the biggest in size of the 3.

Anyways here are my replays for the Romantic Rank

Only 1 more rank to go in the pack

[ericderkovits]

ok, The final rank(Modernist) is done. And that completes the Artlems Pack. This is the first CUSTOM Neolemmix pack that I solved on my own. Of course I've solved some of the original ones
(ie: Genesis, Original, Xmas, and demo ones of NL), but as far as someone elses custom pack, this is the first. So the replays are actually mine. I enjoyed the pack for the most park(minus a few
fiddly levels, like I'll be bach(Beroque level 6), and the worst level fur Elise(Neoclassic level 3-which I absolutely hated)). Many levels were difficult, but still many not.

And actually the final rank wasn't as hard as I thought it was going to be(probably the trickiest was level 1 and level 9 otherwise I didn't struggle much with the others)
Probably my favorite levels in this final rank were Level 2 (Art's Abstraction-not too difficult) and Level 5(Hailfire Peaks-a little tricky but not extremely)


And I think my favorite levels in the whole pack were Level 8 of Medieval(The Highlands of Scotland), Level 11 of Medieval(Church of Saint Stephen), Level 4 of Baroque(Playing in the Winter),
and Level 2 of Romantic(Flight of the Bumblebee)


Also I found out that 2 of the levels won't work with 12.94 due to the change in Glider Physics: (both work though in 12.82)

1) Baroque level 1(Oh, suite handel) glider wont make it to terrain on the right from left climbing spot(as previously posted)
2) Romantic level 2(Flight of the Bumblebee), glider won't land in exit after climbing terrain left of it

So for this pack currently use 12.82 as 12.94 those levels above won't work.

Also my posted replays will be for 12.82(so those 2 levels will fail if one uses 12.94)


Ok, I will post 2 sets now.

1) Just the Modernist Rank(Final rank) as I posted previous individual ranks already.
2) The replays for the complete Artlems Pack.

Note: I'll will update My op list showing this packs replays.

[kaywhyn]

Congratulations on beating your very first NL custom pack! You see? You're much more capable of solving levels than you give yourself credit for. Don't ever doubt your abilities. I been following along in your quest, and I can tell you were quite determined to finish this pack once and for all, even if it took you a lot of time to do so. There's definitely a first time for everything.

I took a look at the second level that you said isn't possible due to the glider physics. After a while, I managed to solve it, and it turns out that the level is still possible even with the broken glider physics. See my attached replay for Romantic 2. With this replay and Armani's backroute for Baroque 1, this means that all of Artlems v1.0 is solvable in 12.9.4. However, since both levels rely on the glider being able to reach certain areas, in Baroque 1's case landing on the area at the top on the right and Romantic 2 being able to glide into the exit via climbing without having to do anything else, it definitely means that these two levels need to be updated so that they're now possible the intended way.

[ericderkovits]

ok, yes, I see your 12.94 solution. I do notice in your replay though after climbing it goes past the exit, but you continued to get the solution by using all the skills. Your same replay in 12.82 would have exited before, thus you would still have had remaining skills left.

Also This level I really like how you have to traverse to the right to get the switch before traversing back to start to enter unlocked exit. This level in the pack is one of my favorites.

Also there is 1 level with my replays I really dont like. I think it's a really big backroute, since I don't even get the majority of the pickup skills. It's the final rank Modernist level 6
"Circus of chaos II". I been spending alot of time to try to solve it by getting all the pickups but I always run out of skills. So I know my solution is NOT intended. But I don't even know if Arty
will do anything with this pack since he didn't even finish it by getting the wanted amount of levels in each rank. So I doubt he'll even do anything with fixing backroutes.

But at least now there are replays posted for this pack by me in addition to your Romantic 2 replay for 12.94 and Armani's Baroque level 1 backroute.

[kaywhyn]

Also there is 1 level with my replays I really dont like. I think it's a really big backroute, since I don't even get the majority of the pickup skills. It's the final rank Modernist level 6
"Circus of chaos II". I been spending alot of time to try to solve it by getting all the pickups but I always run out of skills. So I know my solution is NOT intended.

I took a look at this level, and yes I don't get most of the pickup skills either. As a matter of fact, I checked your replay after I solved it, and our solutions are the exact same, except I also got the bomber pickup, meaning I ended up using both walkers. Also builder allotment was different in that I only used one builder before mining the wall before the exit, as well as used a builder to turn the climber back. In your solution, you definitely could had had a builder leftover in the end.

You never know, though. This level might be a case where some of the pickups are decoys and therefore it might not be necessary to get all of them, or if you do the level might not be solvable. Putting pickup decoys can certainly be a great way to fool the player into thinking he/she must get them all in order to solve the level, when really they can be quite effective at being red herrings, as tempting as some of them can be.

ok, yes, I see your 12.94 solution. I do notice in your replay though after climbing it goes past the exit, but you continued to get the solution by using all

Well yea, my solution uses 12.9.4, and that's the version where you have confirmed that the glider will not exit after climbing, and that's indeed what happens. The whole point of my solution was to see if the level's still possible in this version despite the broken glider physics. Since I have confirmed that it's still solvable due to solving the level myself, the entire pack is still possible in 12.9.4. Still, it's definitely great that you mentioned which levels broke due to the glider physics in the case that other players might want to play through the pack. In particular, I have plans to take on this pack later on in the future, so this is a nice heads-up. Also, it would had been nice to know ahead of time which levels might had possibly broke due to the glider physics, but since this is a small enough pack, it's not too bad, and also the fact that you didn't even encounter any such levels until somewhat late in the pack.

[ericderkovits]

Also I don't consider your solution to Romantic 2 a backroute. It just took every last skill to get the lemming home in 12.94 where your solution was actually more efficient than mine because I only had 1 builder and 1 platformer left in 12.82 where your's would have had more in 12.82(just not in 12.94). But Armani's I do consider a backroute(he does too); because due to glider issue in 12.94 for Baroque 1 he had to solve without even using a glider. Also I figured there probably were still possible ways to solve Romantic 2 in 12.94 since there were more skills availiable.

Also the main reasons I played Artlems were

1) I wanted to have replays for the pack since nobody posted any.
2) I wanted to see if I could solve a custom pack on my own(since it seems nobody completed it). Also Arty stated he thought Artlems was harder than Sublems(although I think it's maybe about the same in my opinion. Especially since I'm not a very good puzzle solver.) Also I got all 10 of the Talismans in the pack.
3) I really like his designed levels and liked the music.(although in Medieval 3 his music title "Chef Manor"-listed in the levels music field of the editor is missing in his music folder, so I just replaced it with assyrian.ogg which I don't think he used in any other levels)
4) The Pack wasn't too big

[kaywhyn]

Also I don't consider your solution to Romantic 2 a backroute. It just took every last skill to get the lemming home in 12.94 where your solution was actually more efficient than mine because I only had 1 builder and 1 platformer left in 12.82 where your's would have had more in 12.82(just not in 12.94). But Armani's I do consider a backroute(he does too); because due to glider issue in 12.94 for Baroque 1 he had to solve without even using a glider. Also I figured there probably were still possible ways to solve Romantic 2 in 12.94 since there were more skills availiable.

I am in agreement with my solution to Romantic 2 not being a backroute, particularly since all extra skills I had certainly don't break the level in any way. It just so happens that what I had at the end still allowed me to solve the level despite the broken glider physics. Also, the lemming is a glider to begin with, so there's no issue with never ever using a glider, which is very different from not using the glider on Baroque 1, which is definitely needed in the intended solution and hence it's definitely a backroute. I haven't seen Armani's solution to it, and I don't intend to until I solve it myself. However, the fact that a person solved it shows that Baroque 1 is still possible in v12.9.4 despite the broken glider physics.

It's important to note that a solution can still be a backroute even if all skills are used. I can name many examples from United. In the case of my solution to Romantic 2 in v12.9.4, it's really just unnecessary extra stuff I did at the end due to the intended solution not working as it should that's absolutely not needed had the glider functioned properly after climbing. As I mentioned before, it's simply to show that the level's still possible in v12.9.4. 

Also the main reasons I played Artlems were

1) I wanted to have replays for the pack since nobody posted any.
2) I wanted to see if I could solve a custom pack on my own(since it seems nobody completed it). Also Arty stated he thought Artlems was harder than Sublems(although I think it's maybe about the same in my opinion. Especially since I'm not a very good puzzle solver.) Also I got all 10 of the Talismans in the pack.
3) I really like his designed levels and liked the music.(although in Medieval 3 his music title "Chef Manor"-listed in the levels music field of the editor is missing in his music folder, so I just replaced it with assyrian.ogg which I don't think he used in any other levels)
4) The Pack wasn't too big

I'm definitely aware of your reasons for playing this pack, especially 1, 2, and 4. In any case, I hope that the experience has showed you that there's definitely truth in my assertion that level solving is just as hard work as level designing, sometimes even more time consuming, especially if the level is difficult to begin with. To add to 1, this reasserts what I said about "do it yourself" if there aren't any replays posted. However, I do understand what you mean by "I would had done it myself if I was a great level solver like yourself (me)." The fact that you completed this entire pack all by yourself AND without any replay guides is very admirable IMO and tells me that you're much better than you claim you are. This is far better than claiming that you won't be able to solve all the pack, because here you at least tried. Yes, it might had taken you a while, but you eventually managed to finish the entire pack in the end. Plenty of others, including myself, might be faster in finishing the pack, but that doesn't make you any worse than them. Who cares if it takes you longer to solve a level/pack than others? If you still manage to solve the same level in the end as someone who solved the level taking way less time, the result is the same and thus it doesn't mean you're worse. Maybe if it came to a speed level solving contest, yes, which I admit I would most likely lose as well, particularly if I was pitted against the ones on your top solvers list.

[ericderkovits]

ok, here is my new replay for Modernist 6 Circus of Chaos II.

I managed to solve it by getting 100% of the pickup skills and use every skill. So yes it's possible. Although I think this is very hard to find.

[kaywhyn]

Ok, nice job. Good to know that a solution which collects and uses all the pickup skills does exist. In this case, none of the pickups are decoys. I kind of suspected they weren't. I simply didn't spend enough time on the level to try and find the solution, especially since I'm not really seriously playing the pack or any of the levels at the moment. So far in my experiences, I pretty much have only encountered two levels where a handful were complete decoys, while there are also a handful of levels I played where I have no idea what the pickups are for, since sometimes I don't even end up using any or most of the ones I do collect. As I had pointed out previously, pickups can be quite effective in creating red herrings. That's why sometimes when solving, it's helpful to ask whether or not collecting specific pickups will help towards a solution while ignoring the others that won't help. In any case, as I have pointed out many times before, unless there's only one solution, I'm simply content with solving levels in any way I can, backroute or not. Not to mention that just because a level is backrouteable doesn't always mean it's a bad level, just simply one that hasn't yet fully blocked all easier, alternative unintended solutions.

[ericderkovits]

ok, I made a suggested fix for arty's modernist 6(Circus of chaos II) level, so what I think is his intended route and solution. Also this level is in the final rank so I think this would make the level harder as it is now too easy for the rank(due to what I think is a big backroute(making level too easy))

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

1) -2 builders and added the 2 to the already builder pickup there(so now +3)
2) added 2 steel blocks
3) added left-facing OWW's

[ericderkovits]

I tried playing Artlems with the new 12.10, but using this version won't work at all. There's a problem with arty's artlems styles for a few levels. And even putting his artlems styles in the styles folder, it says something about missing objects. I tried downloading them thru the styles update but still it doesn't work. Also when starting 12.10 with this pack it reports it's pre 12.7x. so I think
arty's pack won't work with the 12.10 version of NL. Arty's artlems is meant for older NL players. If one wants to play his pack, I think it's just better to stay with 12.82 plus the glider issue works as it
should in 12.82 (not even really meant for 12.94 although the 2 glider levels can still be solved. Baroque 1 thru Armani's backroute and Kaywhyn's replay of Romantic 2)

[kaywhyn]

Nothing to do but for Colorful Arty to update the styles so that no problems occur in v12.10. In the meantime, it's like you said, just play it in 12.8.

Also:

Just a friendly reminder that level fixing should be left to the pack author(s). I'm sure your effort in a potential fix for one of the levels is appreciated, but we're not mind readers and hence we don't know if that's really what Arty intended. You can suggest fixes verbally, that's fine, but our time and energy is better spent elsewhere, and ultimately the responsibility is on the author, aka, Colorful Arty, to maintain the pack/level fixing. For everyone else, we just play the packs that the author releases and should simply respect the authors by not messing/editing the levels of their packs. The pack is, after all, the author's property. Why worry about something that's not our responsibility? Fixing the levels themselves is the least of our worries and should be left to Arty to take up since they're his. Even if it appears that backroutes won't be fixed, you never know. Sure, the fact that there hasn't been any follow-up posts since the release from Arty can lead you to believe that, but it doesn't mean that he won't do any fixing. He still might. Finally, he's still active here, even if he's not on all the time.   

[ericderkovits]

Yes ,ok I left Artlems modernist level 6 as is in my pack, so I have 2 solution replays for the pack. The one I think is a backroute and the one where I get all the pickups. Of course it is only a suggested fix, but I'll accept whatever arty does to the level to fix it, or if he doesn't fix it then ok. I do see him sometimes come online in the morning, even saw him look in this topic, so I'm sure
he's aware of it, but since he didn't finish the pack with the number of levels wanted, he may not even be interested in this pack at all even to fix backroutes.

[kaywhyn]

Even if he's not interested in fixing up backroutes, it's not up to any of us besides him to fix the levels up. The best and safest thing to do is to ask for consent, but otherwise should be left to the author to do the pack maintenance and fixing.

[IchoTolot]

Even if he's not interested in fixing up backroutes, it's not up to any of us besides him to fix the levels up. The best and safest thing to do is to ask for consent, but otherwise should be left to the author to do the pack maintenance and fixing.

Exactly.

I tried playing Artlems with the new 12.10, but using this version won't work at all. There's a problem with arty's artlems styles for a few levels. And even putting his artlems styles in the styles folder, it says something about missing objects. I tried downloading them thru the styles update but still it doesn't work. Also when starting 12.10 with this pack it reports it's pre 12.7x. so I think
arty's pack won't work with the 12.10 version of NL. Arty's artlems is meant for older NL players. If one wants to play his pack, I think it's just better to stay with 12.82 plus the glider issue works as it
should in 12.82 (not even really meant for 12.94 although the 2 glider levels can still be solved. Baroque 1 thru Armani's backroute and Kaywhyn's replay of Romantic 2)

Well, this is the same problem as before with some of the styles. Arty just never submitted his extra style to the standard library to get it fixed. I simply ran it through the style fixer and it works now.
I attached the updated style.

@Colorful Arty: Please replace your old style inside your download with the updated one. Then everything should work again.

At least it's working for me now.

[kaywhyn]

Well, this is the same problem as before with some of the styles. Arty just never submitted his extra style to the standard library to get it fixed. I simply ran it through the style fixer and it works now.
I attached the updated style.

@Colorful Arty: Please replace your old style inside your download with the updated one. Then everything should work again.

At least it's working for me now.

Precisely, hence what namida meant by the responsibility being the author's to make sure that the styles for their packs is up-to-date in the "what I need to do with my content" to prepare for v12.10 that is mentioned in the stable release topic.

You are awesome, Icho! Confirmed, now working for me as well.

[ericderkovits]

yes now the styles work in 12.10 too. Of  course Arty still needs to fix the glider issues as they still don't work as intended in 12.10 either.

[Colorful Arty]

I have been keeping up with reading peoples' comments and looking at solutions. This pack has tons of backroutes and for many of them I'm not sure how to seal them. Combine these with my general lack of interest in Lemmings these days, and you get someone with little motivation at the moment to update the levels. I WILL release an update hopefully in the near future with as many backroute seals as possible, but there are several levels that likely won't be able to be fixed.

Thank you everyone for taking an interest in this pack and for the feedback! I really do appreciate it!

[kaywhyn]

I have been keeping up with reading peoples' comments and looking at solutions. This pack has tons of backroutes and for many of them I'm not sure how to seal them. Combine these with my general lack of interest in Lemmings these days, and you get someone with little motivation at the moment to update the levels. I WILL release an update hopefully in the near future with as many backroute seals as possible, but there are several levels that likely won't be able to be fixed.

Nice to hear from you. Understandable. It seems to just be one of those times where we sometimes go through several up and down moments in life. Happens to me all the time, but they mostly come about due to how I generally don't have that much confidence in myself and that sometimes I admonish myself for not having accomplished as much as I should have even after people have reassured me that where I am in my life is normal and that I'm doing just fine and have accomplished a lot (2 school degrees plus a teaching credential). I definitely should feel proud of these accomplishments, but sometimes I think and feel otherwise. Sometimes, I simply expect too much of myself, and when I don't meet these expectations I set for myself, I admonish myself, but I generally can get over these self-downtrodden moments quickly these days, especially when I set myself back and realize I'm upset for no reason other than feel I haven't done enough, as life's just too short to dwell on these negative moments of life.

In any case, other than just making sure the pack is still playable in the most recent NL versions because of how some people might possibly still want to play Artlems in this day and age, there's no pressure to fix up the pack ASAP. Just take as much time away as you need to until you feel motivated and ready to fix your own pack. You're doing just fine  

[ericderkovits]

Also, I really enjoyed your pack, Arty. In fact this was my first Custom pack I beat on my own, without any kind of help. Alot of these levels took me along time to figure out how to solve.
The most difficult was Neoclassical 3 Fur Elise as it was very difficult getting the bottom lemmings to the top as only 5 builders were availiable. But even if the backroutes aren't fixed, it still
a great pack. The only thing I would like is to get the glider issue fixed in 2 levels (Baroque 1-as it's solution(by Armani) didn't even use the glider due to the glider issue, and Romantic 2 as the lemming doesn't glide into exit after climbing leftmost tree as he does in 12.82). And also add the missing music track Chef Manor as Medieval 3 plays an amiga tune. All the other music is awesome
as I really do like classical music. Also the reason I played the pack was because Kaywhyn beat your 12 level Not good enough levels, so that's when I jumped in to beat Artlems. Also to me
those were good enough even if you don't think so.

Also as Kaywhyn said it was nice hearing from you.

[kaywhyn]

All that's important for the time being is ensuring that the pack is playable in the newest NL version. Issues regarding glider physics and backroutes can be fixed at a later time. It's already been proven that the entire pack is possible in 12.9 despite the glider problems. The only thing is simply finding those alternative solutions/backroutes. All it means is that the intended solution relying on them isn't possible. Otherwise, simply play in v12.8 where the glider works properly. Not a big deal at all.

I'm also in agreement that your 12-level pack Artlems: Lost Pieces of levels you rejected was still good. Only one level was extremely annoying to execute, but the rest was still of good quality, I thought. Level 10 was a bit of a grinder to figure out, but it was still a fine puzzle/level, even if it was quite on the large side. These thoughts/feedback and much more on Lost Pieces I posted in that pack topic from some time ago, which I'm sure you already saw.

[ericderkovits]

RE: Chrisleec728

Ok, yes I see your thread here. Also it's nice your also playing the pack. I've already finished the pack as you probably can see in the previous posts.

And I see you mentioned Medieval 3 saying it plays an ONML tune. But when you open this level in the editor, it says it's supposed to play chef manor. But in Arty's music folder it's missing, that's
why it plays a default tune.  Anyways many levels outside of the Ancient rank(which you say you finished) are quite challenging(some are easy though). Also like you I like classical music.

Anyways, good luck with playing the rest of the levels. Maybe when you finish the pack, you can post your replays, so I can compare mine to yours. (Also I did get all 10 Talismans)


Notes on 2 levels(glider)

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Also just as a note, 2 levels in the pack the glider doesn't work the same in the new patch(although it's still possible). Romantic 2 (Flight of the Bumble bee the glider doesn't work at 1 spot, but the level is still solvable-not even a backroute). Baroque 1 requires a big backroute though since the glider doesn't work right in the newer players(backroute no glider is used as Armani replay shows. So I use 12.82)

[Colorful Arty]

V1.1 has just been released! It features many backroute seals people have found as well as names for all of the talismans. I'm sure plenty of backroutes still exist, but they should hopefully be harder to find. Have fun!

[Swerdis]

That's good news. ArtLems will be most likely the next pack I play when I have finished PimoLems. And I will backroute the hell out of it :-)

[kaywhyn]

Just downloaded the newest version of the pack. I can confirm that the glider issues for Baroque 1 and Romantic 2 have not been fixed, and so those levels are still broken due to how the intended solution relying on the glider cannot be done.

That's good news. ArtLems will be most likely the next pack I play when I have finished PimoLems. And I will backroute the hell out of it :-)

Great to hear this, Swerdis! I likely won't play this pack for quite a while. Probably will end up LPing this pack after I possibly finish my LP for Sublems/Lemmings Plus 1. In any case, I eventually will, just for me not right away and for quite some time.

[ericderkovits]

ok, great, Arty, Now I'll have to go redo the changed levels. I hope I can. So I can say I've finished a pack on my own. I'm kind of worried now.

[Colorful Arty]

What exactly do you mean by glider issues? All of the intended solutions are still intact, so if you can't use the glider to solve a level, you aren't doing it right.

[ericderkovits]

There are 2 levels where the glider doesn't work the same in 12.82 and 12.10

1) Baroque 1
    check my solution in 12.82 where the climber after climbing left of hatch(then a glider) will not glide onto top right terrain in 12.10 but he does in 12.82
2) Romantic 2
   check my attempt(fails in 12.10 but works in 12.82) and Kaywhyn's solution in 12.82 and 12.10.
   Notice the lemming will not glide into exit after climbing tree left of exit(he doesn't in 12.10 but does in 12.82)

[kaywhyn]

What exactly do you mean by glider issues? All of the intended solutions are still intact, so if you can't use the glider to solve a level, you aren't doing it right.

I'm not the one who initially reported problems with Baroque 1 and Romantic 2 due to the glider physics breaking those two levels. eric reported them, and since I saw that you released a new version of your pack, I quickly checked to see if those two levels were fixed for v12.9 and beyond, which they sadly aren't. I'm also not seriously currently playing through the pack. For this reason, other than eric, who is currently the only person to have played and solved the entire pack in the initial version of the pack AFAIK, it's difficult to know exactly what levels have changed between v1.0 and v1.1, as well as what changes were made without a changelog detailing those changes Therefore, it wouldn't matter to me, since I won't know what changes have been made due to having not yet played through any of the pack other than finding an alternative solution to Romantic 2 to see if your entire pack was still 100% possible on v12.9 and beyond.

The reason why your replays don't break for these two levels is because you made them before v12.9, where the glider did work properly. You probably also didn't try your replays in v12.9 and beyond. Once v12.9 came, there was a fix which resulted in some levels breaking due to the glider opening its glide slightly later than usual, causing the glider to now be unable to reach certain areas on some levels in packs that were released before v12.9's NL release. As eric said, in Baroque 1, the glider fails to reach the top area on the right, which we're all certain you intended, and so any solution that doesn't use the glider, like Armani's, is most definitely a backroute. For Romantic 2, the glider does not glide into the exit after climbing the tree on the left side, but I was still able to find an alternative solution that still relies on the glider getting into the exit, but in the process the skills that I would have had leftover all ended up being used. This means that thanks to Armani's backroute to Baroque 1 and my alternative solution to Romantic 2, your pack was confirmed as still 100% possible on v12.9.4 despite the broken glider physics. The easiest thing to do in this case is to simply play on v12.8, where the glider works properly. Even then, you don't need to change your replays for the two levels. You just need to readjust the terrain in those two levels so that the glider is able to reach its intended destination and hence the intended solution is still intact for v12.9 and beyond.

To put more perspective into this, here's the link where the fix was made after some input from the community: Shimmier-glider no longer works in v12.9

ok, great, Arty, Now I'll have to go redo the changed levels. I hope I can. So I can say I've finished a pack on my own. I'm kind of worried now.

You can do it! If you're not able to resolve some of the levels, I'll help in any way I can whenever I get around to playing the pack. Or, others who play this pack before I get to can help.

[Colorful Arty]

Why the heck were glider physics changed an a newer version of NeoLemmix? Didn't that change break a crud ton of levels across many packs? Seems rather unnecessary.

Oh well, guess I'll have to get the new version to see for myself.

[kaywhyn]

Why the heck were glider physics changed an a newer version of NeoLemmix? Didn't that change break a crud ton of levels across many packs? Seems rather unnecessary.

Oh well, guess I'll have to get the new version to see for myself.

No, most existing packs before v12.9's release were unaffected by this change For those existing packs which did have some levels affected by the glider change and rendered impossible, luckily only a small number of levels were affected. There was generally only 1 or a few levels in those packs that were rendered impossible due to how the glider now wasn't able to reach certain destinations because of how the glider ends up opening the glide slightly later than usual. For example, if I'm not mistaken, Strato's LWT pack only had 2 levels that were broken (one was due to how the updraft was too low for the glider to use, although I managed to backroute his level by not using the glider at all). Seb Lems had one level that was impossible but it's already been fixed to account for the glider physics change. So far, the only pack I have seen that had a lot of levels (I think around 7) rendered impossible due to the physics change in the glider is United, but again Icho already fixed them, so the levels that were affected are now possible and solvable again. As the link I provided shows, the reason for the change was to eliminate the trick of a shimmier being able to glide to land on top of a full stack if you assign a shimmier when the lemming is right next to the stack, but more importantly, the reason the trick worked was due to a bug and hence the community agreed that the bug should be fixed and and hence eliminate the stacker => shimmier => glider trick. So, the reason this trick no longer works is due to how the glider opens up his glide slightly later than usual rather than early to allow this to happen. It was fortunately at a time when it was caught early shortly after v12.9's release and shortly after the shimmier made it into NL stable, therefore this change affecting a lot of future content won't be a problem.

Even with this change in the slight delay in opening up the glide, it still doesn't make too much of a difference in terms of what levels it affects the solvability of anyway, hence why I said most existing content was unaffected. The most important thing this change did was simply eliminate the stacker => shimmier => glider trick, but again it was due to a bug and it's generally agreed that bugs should be eliminated. Just be fortunate that this change in glider physics broke only two of your levels in all of your Artlems pack in v12.9 and after

[Strato Incendus]

Why the heck were glider physics changed an a newer version of NeoLemmix? Didn't that change break a crud ton of levels across many packs? Seems rather unnecessary.

To prevent me from using Shimmiers/Reachers to have Gliders land on top of the stack they have just built.

No, of course not, but that was one of the side effects of that change.

I think the actual reason was an inconsistency, where Gliders would open their parachute slightly later in one situation than in others. And namida wanted to make that behaviour consistent.
If I remember correctly, they now open the parachute slightly later, which sometimes causes them to fall through updrafts that they could previously go up.

Thus, often the only fix that is required is to move the updraft area down 1-2 pixels.

In fact though, while I had some levels from Lemmings Open Air which used that Glider-Shimmier trick before, more levels actually broke in Lemmings World Tour (despite the absence of Shimmiers, just because of the Glider physics change). But only in New Formats, of course, so as long as you stick to the Old-Formats version, as you intended, none of your replays for that pack should be affected.

Funnily enough, other Glider-Shimmier / Glider-Reacher tricks are still possible, and my testers for Lemmings Open Air have even shown me their applicability in cases where I absolutely didn't intend such tricks to be used. (Even though, yes, some of the levels indeed had Glider-Reacher tricks as part of the intended solution from my side.)

[ericderkovits]

ok, good news. I resolved Colorful Arty's levels that he changed. So now I have completed version 1.1 of his Artlems

ok the levels I had to resolve were

Ancient rank

level 2
The Crypt of Ramses II
This level I resolved only for the Talisman, as Arty put a steel block near top left entrance thus breaking my v1.0 replay
This level is open-ended though, so it's an easy level, even to get the Talisman.

Medieval

Level 2 Under the Flood
Arty changed the level by removing the climber pickup and added the builder pickup. Thus the solution is a little different from v1.0.

level 9 Castle Crawl
Arty changed the level by adding a steel block at the top near the entrance. Thus breaking my v1.0 replay. Solution is a little different, but much more difficult.

level 10 The Secret of the Twin Falls
Arty put 2 thin blockades at each side near entrances thus breaking my v1.0 replay. Solution a little trickier. I knew my v1.0 of this level was a backroute.

level 14 The plague took us all
Arty added 1 more zombie guarding exit so it broke my v1.0 replay


Renaissance

level 1 By Land or Sea
Arty put the tree a little higher up on yellow terrain breaking my v1.0 replay


Baroque

level 2 Summer Sting
Arty made a slight terrain change breaking my v1.0 replay
Just had to tweak my v1.0 to work for v1.1

level 3 The Fall of Autumn
Arty added a steel block and a hanging Tarantula thus making level a little harder. Broke my v1.0 replay. New solution.


Neoclassical

level 1 Median meeting
Arty added downfacing OWW's on terrain near entrance and added a blockade near right hatch thus breaking my v1.0 replay. New solution.


Romantic

level 3 A Night on Lem Mountain
Arty made the 2 cloners pickup skills thus breaking my v1.0 replay. New solution. More difficult.


Modernist

level 2 Art's Abstraction
Arty made a slight change in terrain, thus breaking my v1.0. Still similiar solution.


level 4 Blue Badge of Honour

Arty added down-facing OWW's on top-middle block, thus breaking my v1.0 replay.
Solution somewhat different, but more difficult.

level 5 Hailfire Peaks
Arty just added a Talisman to the level (nothing else changed).
I got the Talisman. Version 1.0 replay still works, but just doesn't get the Talisman.

level 6 Circus of Chaos II
Arty put some hanging blockades left of exit, thus breaking my v1.0 replay.
I already solved this level afterwards even before Arty updated the pack as I wanted to get all the pickups, since I was unhappy with my 1st backrouted replay.

level 8 Flip-flop
Arty added steel, thus making level harder. Broke my v1.0 replay. Different solution.

level 9 Castle of frightful lucidity
Arty added right-facing OWW's on block near left-bottom hatch. Also made some small terrain changes. Broke my v1.0. replay.

level 10 The Last Straw
Arty added a thin vertical blockade right of hatch, breaking my v1.0 replay.


The other levels I don't see any changes in them as my replays work still.


So now I completed v1.1 of Artlems again on my own.

ok, here are my resolved level replays.

[ericderkovits]

hey Colorful Arty, I just noticed your Hailfire Peaks(modernist 5) was a contest level(number 11).
But I solved it before seeing Icho's solution on Youtube. I was just going thru some of Icho's old contest design levels, and this level came up in Part 6 of Design Contest Levels number 11
(your updated version which is in both 1.0 and 1.1 of your Artlems pack.) But I saw Icho's solution after I already solved it, so this Youtube view was after me beating the Artlems Pack(1.1)
resolved pack. And I didn't even know this level was a contest level.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

  Icho played this level in contest Design contest 11 part 6(updated version that is in your Artlems(both 1.0 and 1.1) on youtube. He though used 2 miners saying it isn't possible to solve
level with only 1, but I did the trick using the blocker miner trick only using 1. also the basher blocker trick near exit I did. Also you even added the Talisman for the level saying Max use 1 miner,
which I obtained. Also I solved this level on my own, since I saw Icho's solution by pure accident, as I was watcting old contest levels and this was in number 11.

[Swerdis]

Hey, having finished PimoLems today, I want to start ArtLems next - as I announced before. There was a bit of confusion in this thread if all the levels within this pack are solvable in the latest version of Neolemmix. Can someone confirm this? Thanks.

[kaywhyn]

Hey, having finished PimoLems today, I want to start ArtLems next - as I announced before. There was a bit of confusion in this thread if all the levels within this pack are solvable in the latest version of Neolemmix. Can someone confirm this? Thanks.

Yes, the pack is confirmed to be 100% solvable on the latest version of NL, although there are two levels where the intended solution is broken due to the glider physics, Baroque 1 and Romantic 2. Instead, Armani found a completely different solution that doesn't use the glider for Baroque 1, meaning it's definitely a backroute, while I found an alternative solution that ends up using all the skills for Romantic 2 to get around how the glider doesn't properly glide into the exit from the left side. Other than taking a look at Romantic 2, I have not played any of the other levels in the pack. However, eric has played through and solved all of the pack. So, this means while the intended solutions for these two levels don't work due to the gliders not working as they should, they are still solvable. All other levels can be solved, and so even in the most recent NL the pack is 100% solvable.

However, you can simply play the pack in v12.8.2, where the glider does work properly on the two levels mentioned. In short, in v12.9 a change was made to the glider so that the glider opens his glide just slightly later than he does in v12.8. I have confirmed that the two levels relying on the glider are still broken in Arty's v1.1 of Artlems, meaning he apparently didn't fix the levels in the update, and so you should just play on v12.8.2 solely because of Baroque 1 and Romantic 2. The reason for this is to eliminate the trick of using a shimmier jump right in front of a fully built stack so that when it glides it will land on top of the stack. With the change, it's no longer possible to do so because the ever small delay in opening the glide up is enough to prevent it.

It's interesting that you're playing through Artlems next, because now that I have the next 3 LPs done, I am now going to be LPing Arty's pack Sublems

[ericderkovits]

Yes, Swerdis as Kaywhyn just mentioned these 2 levels are the only ones affected by the glider change, so I use 12.82 to play

I have already finished this pack including Arty's fixed levels(Version 1.1). although I still feel I backrouted some of his fixed ones.

Once you finish this pack, I will compare your solutions to mine. I know you use Youtube to show your solutions

[ericderkovits]

ok, Thanks Swerdis for starting your upload of Artlems on Youtube. So far the first 6 levels there. I will watch your solutions to compare to mine as you upload.

Just for your Info I got all the Talismans in the pack. I noticed you didn't get it on level 2 and 4 of Ancient.

I also notice you are using 12.10 for this pack. Maybe when you get to Baroque 1 and Romantic 2 you play these with 12.82 unless your ok with the new player

[Swerdis]

Hey,

yeah I started and like the pack so far. These first levels were easy of course, but not totally trivial. To be honest, I completely overlooked the talismans - this is nothing I normally put much emphasis on. But at least in this first rank I should probably try to catch up.

I always try to start new packs with the latest version. But are there any issues with 12.10 I'm not aware of?

[kaywhyn]

I always try to start new packs with the latest version. But are there any issues with 12.10 I'm not aware of?

No, other than the glider problem that causes the intended solution that relies on the glider to not work on Baroque 1 and Romantic 2. However, as was already stated, this pack is confirmed to be 100% possible despite the two levels being broken due to the glider physics in v12.9 and beyond. By playing v12.8, gliders work properly on those two levels, where on Baroque 1 the glider lands on the top platform properly, while on Romantic 2 the glider goes into the exit properly from the left side. The glider physics change results in gliders in some levels no longer being able to reach certain destinations that they were able to before due to the ever slight delay of opening up the glide later than usual. If you manage to solve Baroque 1 without the glider and find an alternative solution to Romantic 2 on v12.10, then you'll be fine playing on v12.10. When Arty released v1.1 of the pack, I thought he would had fixed these two levels due to the glider issue, but he apparently didn't when I tried them. 

[ericderkovits]

I've been watching swerdis's youtube solutions of Artlems on Youtube. He just finished the Medieval rank. some of these ones he is overcomplicating the solutions.

[Swerdis]

While this may be true, I think that the entire pack proves to be quite tricky so far. Much harder than Arty's other pack, SubLems, in my opinion. Thanks for watching, Eric.

[kaywhyn]

Overcomplicating solutions on hard levels isn't as uncommon as you think. It's quite common, and so it's not really necessary to say that Swerdis made some of them harder than they need to be. I myself apparently have a bad habit of doing it on difficult levels. When watching to compare, unless the author has gone to great lengths to enforce one very specific solution, expect solutions to be quite different from one another. Also, most of the levels we don't even know the intended solution, and so for the time being just be content with solving the levels in any way possible, regardless of whether the solution feels or seems hackish. Some might mostly be "get to the exit in any way possible" type of levels, even on ones with very restricted skillsets.

That being said, I'm not surprised about Artlems being harder than Sublems. Reading this kind of makes me excited about how well I will get on with the pack when I finally get around to playing it in the future. I myself found even Arty's Lost Pieces of rejected 12 levels pack hard. There were two levels in there that took me a while. The rest I remember not being too bad, although one other level near the end took a while as well.

[IchoTolot]

My solutions to everything including Baroque 1 via backroute and talismans.

I really liked the pack!   I think I got quite a few backroutes though.

There are a few things design related that I will just leave uncommentated as the pack has a very stylistic core. So I'll leave out the decorative things that sometimes made things a bit unclear in favor of the presentation (example would be the chimney in 4 04 as it's not that clear that it is harmless).

Comments on timer related isuues:

2 01 - Unnessesary timer
2 03 - Unnessesary timer
2 06 - Unnessesary timer

4 01 - Unnessesary timer
4 02 - Very unnessesary timer
4 03 - Unnessesary timer
4 04 - Extremely unnessesary timer

5 01 - Unnessesary timer
5 02 - Unnessesary timer

6 03 - Unnessesary timer

7 04 - Unnessesary timer
7 06 - Unnessesary timer
7 08 - Very unnessesary timer

So I would remove these timers. Otherwise it's just the case of the broken Baroque 1 and the backroutes.

[ericderkovits]

Glad to see Romantic 2 (Flight of the Bumblebee can still be solved without the glider issue). But when I solved this level, I did it in 12.82 since the lemming can't glide into the exit in the newer player versions). So I still think this level also needs a fix with the glider issue since I think that the lemming is supposed to glide into the exit-intended solution).

And yes Baroque 1 can only be backrouted (not possible in the newer player versions but will need a fix (does work in 12.82 with the glider-intended solution)
Icho's solution backroute is exactly the same as Armani's backroute.


And I totally agree with Icho, There are still many backroutes and unnecessary timers.

Also I would nominate "Flight of the Bumblebee" as a level of the year as I really like the level.



RE: Kaywhyn
Now that you see Icho really liked the pack, maybe you can now do this one too.

[kaywhyn]

Other people liking the pack has no bearing as to whether I play a pack. I already like the pack based on the screenshots in the OP, and with others saying this pack is great, I likely will like it even more once I do play through Artlems. It's already very hard to find packs or even levels that I don't really like anyway I have plans to eventually tackle every pack, and Artlems is certainly no exception. I just been really busy prioritizing my planned LPs of other packs, particularly those that are much older and working my way towards newer and more recent packs.

[IchoTolot]

Also I would nominate "Flight of the Bumblebee" as a level of the year as I really like the level.

Please pm me the levels you want to nominate. As then I have the list clearly available and do not need to search through random topics later.

[Colorful Arty]

Okay, V1.2 just released! Here's what changed (I hope I don't forget anything)

Baroque 1: Fixed the level to adjust for glider physics
Baroque 2: Sealed backroutes
Baroque 3: Sealed backroutes/altered the intended solution slightly to make it tougher to backroute

NeoClassical 1: Sealed backroutes

Romantic 2: Fixed the level to adjust for glider physics

Modernist 2: Sealed backroutes
Modernist 4: Sealed backroutes
Modernist 6: Sealed backroutes (I have a feeling this level will never be done as intended)
Modernist 8: Sealed backroutes
Modernist 9: Sealed Icho's massive backroute
Modernist 10: Sealed Icho's backroute

After reading Icho's feedback on the time limits, I have adjusted the time limits for several levels for better user experience.

[ericderkovits]

Ok I resolved the 5 levels that broke
 

Baroque 2 and 3
Modernist 2, 4 and 9

Neolclassical 1 didn't break
also Modernist 6, 8, and 10 didn't break.

I found Modernist 4 and 9 real difficult, even more difficult as they were even before Version 1.2
Baroque 2 and 3 weren't too difficult with the new update.

I also Included the fixed glider level replays (Baroque 1 and Romantic 2). Nice to finally have these 2 fixed with the new glider physics. Especially Baroque 1.

Baroque 1 still can be backrouted in version 1.2 without using the glider though.


NOTE: also Medieval level 3 Morgachov's Golden Manor plays a standard tune. In the editor it says it's supposed to play chef manor. But that tune is missing in the music folder.

[Colorful Arty]

V1.3 is out! I sealed several backroutes eric found and fixed the music bug for Morgachov's Golden Manor.

[IchoTolot]

Resolving of V 1.3! Replays attached.

I think there are still a few backroutes though.

I have adjusted the time limits for several levels for better user experience.

Why not simply remove the ones I marked.   They are really not needed there and are inconsistent with most of the pack anyway.

[ericderkovits]

Ok, I solved the 5 broken levels again in 1.3

Baroque 2, and 3
Modernist 2, 4, and 9

replays attached.

These are really difficult levels

[kaywhyn]

First four ranks completed. My replays are attached. I know your time is limited, Arty, so in case you want a quick look at the solutions that's why I posted my replays, but there's also my LP which you're aware of

As I have said many times already, I'm absolutely enjoying this pack immensely. I love what I see in the screenshots in the OP, and now that I started playing the pack I'm really enjoying it. So many wonderfully designed levels in the artwork, and many also have great puzzles on top of them, which is certainly a huge plus Also I love a lot of the music tracks on these levels.

I definitely agree with Swerdis that in contrast to your other pack Sublems, Artlems already starts difficult even in the Ancient rank. While the first two Ancient levels were easy, it already gets difficult with Ancient 3 - When the deserts were unpainted. Still, nothing too difficult in the rank until you get to Ancient 14 and Ancient 15. My favorites in this rank were Ancient 11 - Boathouse of the Norse Vikings, Ancient 13 - City of Arabia, and Ancient 15 - Minoan Ruins. These 3 were my favorites in terms of the puzzle. I especially love the trick needed for Ancient 15 for the final wall Design-wise, my favorites were Ancient 7 - All Greek to Them, Ancient 9 - Byzantine's Temple of the Lion, Ancient 14 - Pagoda Path, Ancient 15, and Ancient 16 - Hanging Gardens of Babylon. My favorite both in terms of the design and puzzle was Ancient 12 - Ancient Forest of the Amazon.

All rightie, now starting with the Medieval rank and beyond, we get into the real puzzles. Though the pack doesn't necessarily increase in difficulty going from one rank to the next, the levels within the ranks do get harder as you progress further in the individual ranks. So, feedback for some levels in each of the ranks.

Medieval Rank (click to show/hide)

Medieval 1 - Medieval Meadow Excellent level to start off the rank, even if I did end up struggling longer than needed It's amusing I even overcomplicated the end part before realizing to send a climber to turn around in the miner tunnel to mine the crowd up the tree.

Medieval 2 - Under the Flood This is probably a backroute, since I don't use the climbers. Great design, though! Reminds me of Freddi Fish and Luther's Maze Madness. I believe you have an LP of it on your Youtube? It makes me jump for joy that you know and are familiar with the Junior Arcade and Humongous Entertainment games, as I grew up with them as well. In particular, two of your levels in Sublems uses music from two of the games, Putt-putt and Pep's Balloon-o-rama and Maze Madness.

Medieval 4 - Library of Montecassino Abbey Difficult and fiddly level. Getting through the bookcases is extremely hard. I've played levels in the Castle tileset before, but I don't think it ever involved going through the books and the bookcases. First level in the pack where I needed more than one video to solve. As you will also see in the LP, my non-use of CPM was deliberate, as I rather not take the easy way out while solving on camera. I will gladly take up the challenge of figuring things out as I go. Admittedly, a lot of things took me by surprise when traversing through the books, such as there being overhangs to turn climbers around when I couldn't see them at all, and same thing with gaps with open air. Of course, I could had simply avoided the surprises by turning on CPM, but again I was deliberate in not using it

Medieval 5 - Torchlit Fortress Nice level. The only hard part is containing the crowd so that no one goes out to the left and dies to the deadly side.

Medieval 6 - Crystal Chandelier Somewhat difficult level. Plenty of skills leftover. It may look like there's a lot of time here, but it surprisingly runs out very fast due to all the climbing of the thin poles.

Medieval 7 - Portside Inn Solution is obvious, getting it to work is the hard part. I'm sure there are easier and cleaner ways than my solution, though. Perhaps the RR was set so as to make it easier?

Medieval 8 - The Highlands of Scotland I wish I had the original recording of this video, as you would had seen me struggle with this level for about a good 15-20 minutes. The most baffling part was how to get past the castle with OWAs both directions, especially since we already need to use a platformer for each of the two water gaps. Certainly not a very hard level. I also learned something new about this tileset with the dark green area being background. I stumbled upon that simply by having a lemming bash towards it. I really like the solution here, especially with delaying the crowd at the start until the the first platformer is done.

Medieval 9 - Castle Crawl Harder than the previous one and the other level which I don't have the original recording for. I struggled for a good 25-30 minutes on this level, so far longer than what you see in the LP. The hardest part was the middle part with getting the crowd up from the bottom get higher and up to the exit. I have a miner leftover. However, definitely the right challenge and fits my style of levels I solve

Medieval 10 - Secret of the twin falls Wasn't as hard as I thought it would be. Somewhat fun level to play

Medieval 11 - Church of Saint Stephen Somewhat difficult, although the hardest part is getting up the exit platform. I really love the design here, especially the windows.

Medieval 12 - Underground Prison of Secrets Probably my favorite level of the rank. I really love the trick of isolating a worker lemming to bridge the gaps at the bottom I really like how the solution is easy to work out here. It really comes together quite nicely Love the tileset mixing with the kiwi and medieval tribe of L2.

Medieval 14 - The plague took us all... Nice level to close off the rank. I had nearly severely backrouted the level, but it is just out of reach even with two platformers. Might had taken a while to realize the nuke is needed, but I eventually stumbled upon it. Once again, love the tileset mixing of Menacing and Beast 2 of a level here.

Renaissance Rank (click to show/hide)

Renaissance 1 - By land or sea Great level to start off the rank. I did struggle with this one, especially with trying to get my solution on land to work, but I couldn't do it. I also learned something new with the rock in the water/invisible updrafts being solid terrain. I might had encountered it before in LWT, and if so I clearly didn't remember

Renaissance 2 - Oh Lord, my Savior Probably my favorite level of the rank. Took a while for me to come up with the builder sealing up the basher tunnel, but I really love the trick of releasing a blocker with a digger from above. It is precise, but it's still a great one For the latter, that was the reason why a level from Lemmings Migration gave me problems in the second rank, but I eventually realized the solution after a while.

Renaissance 3 - Botanous Balcony Probably a backroute, as the level is probably supposed to be harder than that. Really love the design here, particularly since green is my favorite color

Renaissance 4 - Terramort Probably a slight backroute, but at the same time it's probably either intended or close. The only hard part is containing the crowd at the beginning.

Renaissance 5 - Hive of Honey and Hedges Didn't take me as long as I thought it would. Nice level to close off the rank. In total, along with my attempt at Renaissance 6, pretty much took a good hour to finish the Renaissance rank These levels were certainly easier than some of the ones in the earlier ranks.

Baroque Rank (click to show/hide)

Baroque 1 - Oh, suite Handel One of the two levels where the intended solution involving the glider didn't work, but you have since fixed it for this version. Even then, it was still solvable, and so the pack was still 100% possible. Great level to start off the rank. It can be difficult to place the stoner to get the swimmers up into the miner tunnel, but I believe I brought it on myself, as it seems that you're supposed to place the stoner before the miner is done.

Baroque 2 - Summer's sting Hard level. Then again, I really overcomplicated this one. A lot of pixel precision in my solution, especially on the right side. There's some on the left side as well. I've seen Swerdis' solution, and I really like how much easier and cleaner it is. I certainly didn't realize that it was possible to use the middle part, as for some reason I thought the entire area was blocked off with steel.

Baroque 3 - The Fall of Autumn This appears to be a backroute, especially since I have lots of skills leftover.

Baroque 4 - Playing in the winter Difficult but quite a nice puzzle! Time limit may seem big, but it also runs out very fast. It just sucks that I had to do the entire solution again but with making the change of cloning at the very beginning to get a much better head start to beat the clock. This is probably the only solution, since I kept being a skill short otherwise. I didn't use the bomber other than to nuke the blocker, so backroute maybe?

Baroque 5 - Out of the ashes of Hell Somewhat difficult. Yet another nice puzzle here. It took me a while to realize using a bomber at the end and building to the bomber hole to get the lemmings to the exit.

Baroque 6 - I'll be Bach Ok, solution is obvious, but getting it to work is extremely hard. Way too much pixel precision for my taste. Sounds strange coming from me since I have the bad tendency to overcomplicate my solutions and get sucked into precision madness I'm sure less bashers than walkers here is intentional? It's also the final level of the rank, so the high difficulty is forgivable to an extent. Nearly an entire hour on this level alone However, this level does get bonus points for being extremely well-designed. Really love the organ with the keyboard and pipes here!

4 ranks down, 3 more to go! I can't wait to carry on with the pack some more I'm enjoying it very much.   

[kaywhyn]

And, pack completely solved. I have attached my entire replay collection for this pack

Also link to my completed LP of the pack: Kaywhyn's LP of Arty's Artlems v1.3 Pack. Enjoy! I immensely enjoyed LPing the pack

Neoclassical Rank (click to show/hide)

Neoclassical 1 - Median meeting Nice level to start off the rank. Nothing too hard here. Love the design.

Neoclassical 2 - House of Lem Nice solution, although the digging in the middle and bombing was frustrating, as you have to get the cloning of the digger and the basher just right so that neither basher goes splat when falling into the digger pit at the end. Seems very pixel precise there.

Neoclassical 3 - For Elise No doubt the hardest level of the rank. Love the music, though. It's always a great one to listen to and I only found out in recent years the name of the track. Definitely the hardest part of the level is getting the bottom crowd up to the top. My solution involves an extremely precise placed bomber and final builder and a basher/walker combo. Other than this, the main difficulty is derived from how there appears to be no obvious spot to get the bottom crowd up. Or rather, it's hard to spot.

My other gripe is how the musical staff is incorrectly depicted. I've always loved music, but here a staff has 5 lines, not 4 as shown in the level I know Strato would be quick to point out this error.

Neoclassical 4 - Beethoven's Wrath This was an easy one due to how I already know the tricks needed from Hellish 18 of your Sublems pack. NIce level to close off the rank, though.

Romantic Rank (click to show/hide)

Romantic 1 - The sea Very nice design and puzzle! One of my favorites even if I struggled for a while and longer than I should had. I remember the discussion on levels with no terrain on Discord, but I don't remember if you cited this level as an example. I've always loved the animated water of the tileset. I was amazed and in awe when I first saw it in a United level.

Romantic 2 - Flight of the bumblebee Another great one. Nice design too. More than enough skills to solve, although it can still be challenging. I've already solved this level from a while back off-camera, although the intent was to simply show that the level was still possible even though the glider going into the exit doesn't work when climbing the left side. Indeed, my alternative solution (somewhere in this thread) was to show that the pack was still 100% possible on v12.9.4 when the pack was still on v1.0.

Romantic 3 - A Night on Lem Mountain Ok level to close off the rank. Certainly not a hard one for a rank finisher. Some early rank finishers were a bit harder. I'm not sure if losing the floaters are intended in my solution, though.   

Modernist Rank (click to show/hide)

Modernist 1 - Minimalism Nice level to start off the final rank. Yet another great design for a 1-screener level. I struggled longer than I should had, but it's a great solution. That's very neat with only a glider can push the sideways button at the top. I likely could had spared the stacker, but unfortunately the basher didn't finish on time.

Modernist 2 - Art's Abstraction Another great puzzle. Can be challenging, but nothing too hard about the level. In the current LDC, I have a level in this tileset. It's one of my favorite custom tilesets.

Modernist 3 - Post-Modernism This was great for a good laugh. Please explain this level to me, as I apparently missed the joke Just seems like a pointless filler level where anyone is guaranteed at least 1 level to beat when playing through the pack. That is, if one manages to make it that far or if jumping around and happens to stumble upon this.

Modernist 5 - Hailfire Peaks I recently played this level in the Holiday 2016 pack compiled by Crane for Old Formats. It's the final level in that pack. I certainly don't remember struggling this much with the miner bouncing off a blocker in the middle area near the right side of the level. This is a really good level, though! Especially with how it's a no constructive skills level. Nice mix of the Fire and Snow tilesets!

Modernist 6 - Circus of chaos II Definitely a huge backroute, considering that I didn't collect most of the pickups. Needs more fixing for sure.

Modernist 7 - Journey to Futility Very nice solution! It's amusing that I incorrectly deduced early on that the nuke was needed. However, now that I know the one and only actual solution, I absolutely love this level. I definitely nominate this for the LOTY contest that will be underway soon

Modernist 8 - Flip-flop Another great puzzle. Nothing too hard about this one. The only difficult part would be the building up section in the middle underneath the exit. The start can be tricky, but it doesn't have to be. I probably could had made it easier on myself by saving the builder instead of using it for the lemming that turned around in the basher tunnel.

Modernist 9 - Castle of frightful lucidity No doubt the hardest level of the entire rank. Probably not the hardest of the entire pack, though. I say that goes to Neoclassical 3, which this level reminds me due to the 5 builders. The terrain in the middle with the tiny row of open air proved to be a huge nuisance. I think the climbers served no purpose other than to make the left-most hatch easier to do.

Modernist 10 - The Last Straw Nothing special here other than it's a very quick level for the final level of the pack. Nothing too hard about this level. The main obstacle is simply beating the very strict time limit. Again, being a math person and traditionalist of the game, I don't mind time limits at all. 

A very job well-done with this pack, Arty! So many great levels in the design and puzzle. Lots of great music on top of it, too. I too can highly recommend anyone to play this pack. Excellent pack in so many ways. I definitely wish that this pack was longer, though. I was enjoying LPing this pack so much If you ever decide to add more to this pack in the future, I look forward to playing them. If not, no worries. We will need to respect your decision, as this is your pack and your property.

Thanks again for this pack and giving me the opportunity to LP it. Just showing this pack of yours some loving. Really, the pleasure was all mine Cheers to a very awesome pack!

[chrisleec728]

A few additional comments regarding Modernist 3 (Postmodernism):

1. Yeah, I don't really get the joke, so it may require explanation
2. Would it have been possible to give the level only ONE second and then just put a pre-placed lemming directly in front of the exit with no hatch at all?
3. Since this level is intentionally bad, I would imagine that the Lost Art Pieces levels are (probably) better than this one This is one reason I would support the idea of including those levels as a separate category in this pack (or put this level into that pack). There's also the fact that packs like PimoLems and SEBLems have done something similar (and Arty even included those levels in his YT playthroughs). On the other hand, the music may not be as YT-friendly, so there's that.

[joshescue18]

Level pack finished.