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Welcome to Gronkling's Animal Pack: #1 - RODENTS EDITION, my first actually released pack in at least 5 years!



My small, rodent-themed pack! There are 20 levels, that appear twice each in a bonus EASY mode and the main HARD mode (there is no middle). The hard rank is sorted roughly by difficulty, and the easy rank has a more consistent difficulty.
Each level is tied into a specific rodent, with some fun decoration for each, and each has a specially selected tracker music piece. The levels here are a mix of newly created levels that use modern NeoLemmix skills, and classic levels I made 2016-2018 using only the original skills.

People who have beaten it, with intended solutions:
No one yet!

People who have beaten it, with backroutes:
2020/12/12 - Armani - 11 backroutes first solve on V1, 52 backroutes total
2021/01/09 - IchoTolot - 10 backroutes first solve on V4.2

Updates:
2021/01/14 - V6.2, 5 more Armani backroute fixes
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You can find it attached to this post! Have fun! :lemcat::thumbsup::8():
« Last Edit: January 14, 2021, 12:43:44 PM by Gronkling »

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Re: [NL] Gronkling's Animal Pack: #1 RODENTS [difficulty: Easy & Very Hard]
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2020, 09:59:21 PM »
Nice job, Gronkling! :thumbsup: Given that you were the first person to beat my most recent pack, that you once had a pack in development many people expected to be the most difficult one ever, and that I could see from your development screenshot(s) that this was also going to be a very artistic pack, I was very curious to see what you had come up with.

Replays for the first rank are attached! I was positively surprised by the low difficulty on this one - that gave me more time to appreciate your designs of the various rodents! :thumbsup: Especially everything involving your Beast II tileset (the squirrels, various creatures holding acorns etc.). Even though I usually had lots of skills remaining, the puzzles weren't trivial, and especially the last level of Easy did indeed make me think for a bit and rewind a couple of times to try different approaches.

I expect quite a sudden jump in difficulty on the Hard rank, since it really seemed to me like you made the Easy rank deliberately easier. Almost like two different packs in one to cater to different audiences.

I think this is only the second pack to feature the Jumper after my own LOA? I've seen quite a few Shimmiers by now, since I'm playing Lemminas in parallel. I haven't tried "The Lemmings Have Grown" yet, though.

I used a specific Stacker trick a couple of times on these levels, I don't know if that was intended or not... ;)

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My packs so far:
Lemmings World Tour (New & Old Formats), my music-themed flagship pack, 320 levels - Let's Played by Colorful Arty
Lemmings Open Air, my newest release and follow-up to World Tour, 120 levels
Paralems (Old Formats), a more flavour-driven one, 150 levels
Pit Lems (Old Formats), a more puzzly one, 100 levels - Let's Played by nin10doadict
Lemmicks, a pack for (very old) NeoLemmix 1.43 full of gimmicks, 170 levels

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Re: [NL] Gronkling's Animal Pack: #1 RODENTS [difficulty: Easy & Very Hard]
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2020, 10:14:25 PM »
Easy rank solved.

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Re: [NL] Gronkling's Animal Pack: #1 RODENTS [difficulty: Easy & Very Hard]
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2020, 10:30:43 PM »
@Strato
Yea I wanted the easy version to just be a really nicely easy version for newer players, so more people could enjoy. There's no set solutions here so all your replays are acceptable!

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@Joshescue18
Another nice set of solutions, more similar to mine with a few more like Strato, though the ones for 16,17 and 18 are very interesting.
« Last Edit: December 11, 2020, 10:43:09 PM by Gronkling »

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Re: [NL] Gronkling's Animal Pack: #1 RODENTS [difficulty: Easy & Very Hard]
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2020, 11:40:20 PM »
you once had a pack in development many people expected to be the most difficult one ever

I can vouch for the difficulty of these levels. During testing, I backrouted four of them, and all the others were no-solves!

I could see from your development screenshot(s) that this was also going to be a very artistic pack

That, too. Each level has its own animal, which is super cute! :cute:

Well, it's good to see these now exist in easy form, let's see how I get on... :P

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Re: [NL] Gronkling's Animal Pack: #1 RODENTS [difficulty: Easy & Very Hard]
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2020, 01:37:53 AM »
Oh wow that porcupine looks so cute :thumbsup::thumbsup:

I will take a look at the pack today. :D


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Really great looking levels! I can definitely see you put a lot of work on to this pack!

Most of the levels from the first rank seem open-ended, so I don't think there's any real backroute. And the difficulty increases drastically in the second rank. :evil:

Levels from hard rank that I might've backrouted :
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Again, you really made nice looking levels! Especially I love the chipmunk, squirrel, porcupine and hamster. And the levels have fairly decent puzzles too. I think you successfully killed two birds with one stone.:thumbsup: Replays attached.
« Last Edit: December 12, 2020, 05:59:32 AM by Armani »
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Re: [NL] Gronkling's Animal Pack: #1 RODENTS [difficulty: Easy & Very Hard]
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2020, 11:06:27 AM »
This pack looks like great fun! :D
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Re: [NL] Gronkling's Animal Pack: #1 RODENTS [difficulty: Easy & Very Hard]
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2020, 12:27:14 PM »
Haha, just as expected, loooads of backroutes in the second half :XD: Time to prepare the first update

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I updated the pack fixing these backroutes
« Last Edit: December 12, 2020, 12:35:45 PM by Gronkling »

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Re: [NL] Gronkling's Animal Pack: #1 RODENTS [difficulty: Easy & Hard]
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2020, 11:39:04 AM »
Resolved all the updated levels
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Re: [NL] Gronkling's Animal Pack: #1 RODENTS [difficulty: Easy & Hard]
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2020, 01:24:15 PM »
2 more intended, then another 9 backroutes :8:()[:

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Pack updated again
« Last Edit: December 13, 2020, 01:32:40 PM by Gronkling »

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Re: [NL] Gronkling's Animal Pack: #1 RODENTS [difficulty: Easy & Hard]
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2020, 01:11:46 PM »
More backroutes incoming :devil:
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Re: [NL] Gronkling's Animal Pack: #1 RODENTS [difficulty: Easy & Hard]
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2020, 03:14:50 PM »
2 more intended solutions... but 10 more backroutes ;)

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« Last Edit: December 14, 2020, 04:04:31 PM by Gronkling »

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Re: [NL] Gronkling's Animal Pack: #1 RODENTS [difficulty: Easy & Hard]
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2020, 04:50:08 AM »
First ten levels complete.
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Re: [NL] Gronkling's Animal Pack: #1 RODENTS [difficulty: Easy & Hard]
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2020, 10:39:43 AM »
First ten levels complete.

Only 2 backroutes :thumbsup:

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Released a minor update to fix 9 & 10, as well as another for 17 that I found myself
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Re: [NL] Gronkling's Animal Pack: #1 RODENTS [difficulty: Easy & Hard]
« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2020, 12:20:31 AM »
Levels 9 and 10 resolved.

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Re: [NL] Gronkling's Animal Pack: #1 RODENTS [difficulty: Easy & Hard]
« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2020, 12:27:08 AM »
Crap! :forehead::forehead::forehead: I forgot to take the test lemming out of Level 9, soooooo stupid of me haha, I was even thinking that I needed to make sure to remember to take that out! I'll definitely have to release an emergency patch to fix that horrible mistake :XD:
Level 10 is a backroute again

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Re: [NL] Gronkling's Animal Pack: #1 RODENTS [difficulty: Easy & Hard]
« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2021, 01:58:41 PM »
Resolved updated levels.

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Re: [NL] Gronkling's Animal Pack: #1 RODENTS [difficulty: Easy & Hard]
« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2021, 02:22:04 PM »
Here are my solutions! :thumbsup:

I think I've got mostly intended ones, but a few backroutes as well. ;)

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Re: [NL] Gronkling's Animal Pack: #1 RODENTS [difficulty: Easy & Hard]
« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2021, 03:09:14 PM »
@Armani
1 new intended, but 6 more backroutes :XD:
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@IchoTolot
Yep loads of backroutes :8(): 10, thats half the pack!
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Update for all these coming some time soon! (There's a lot to fix)

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Re: [NL] Gronkling's Animal Pack: #1 RODENTS [difficulty: Easy & Hard]
« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2021, 07:08:11 PM »
Pack updated and attached to the first post

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Re: [NL] Gronkling's Animal Pack: #1 RODENTS [difficulty: Easy & Hard]
« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2021, 08:40:51 AM »
Resolved updated levels
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  Lemmings Halloween 2023 [Easy-Very Hard]

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Re: [NL] Gronkling's Animal Pack: #1 RODENTS [difficulty: Easy & Hard]
« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2021, 05:25:34 PM »
1 new (sort of ;) ) intended solution!

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Re: [NL] Gronkling's Animal Pack: #1 RODENTS [difficulty: Easy & Hard]
« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2021, 11:28:17 AM »
At least one intended solution everytime. Not bad ;P
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Re: [NL] Gronkling's Animal Pack: #1 RODENTS [difficulty: Easy & Hard]
« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2021, 12:39:17 PM »
Continuing with the trend with 1 new intended per attempt

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Re: [NL] Gronkling's Animal Pack: #1 RODENTS [difficulty: Easy & Hard]
« Reply #24 on: January 14, 2021, 11:22:18 AM »
I hope the trend with at least one intended solution keeps going.
But I doubt any of my solution is intended today. :(
I found very similar solutions overall.
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  Xmas Lemmings 2021 [Easy~Very Hard]
  Lemmings Halloween 2023 [Easy-Very Hard]

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Re: [NL] Gronkling's Animal Pack: #1 RODENTS [difficulty: Easy & Hard]
« Reply #25 on: January 14, 2021, 12:38:01 PM »
Yeah all four are backroutes this time around, attaching updated version

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Re: [NL] Gronkling's Animal Pack: #1 RODENTS [difficulty: Easy & Hard]
« Reply #26 on: March 10, 2021, 06:02:04 AM »
It's been a while since I last solved this pack. Here're my replays for remaining 4 levels :8():
Three replays for Hard17 and one for Hard13,19,20 respectively.
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Re: [NL] Gronkling's Animal Pack: #1 RODENTS [difficulty: Easy & Hard]
« Reply #27 on: March 10, 2021, 07:52:03 AM »
Hi Gronkling,

I have finished the pack. I have attached my replays for both the Easy and Hard ranks.

I also have a complete LP of your pack for your viewing pleasure

Link to my LP of the pack: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLbp2m4KlFpJvFaH8nIk2mH7x0HbXtrHrE. Enjoy! :P

Although I've solved the Easy rank after finishing the Hard rank, I must say the corresponding easy levels still aren't that much easier. Indeed, they may be more open-ended, but some of them are still just as tricky/challenging :P Anyway, those replays aren't really of interest other than I say level 7

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Instead, it's the replays for the hard levels that are of interest.

General Remarks on the Pack

A lot of these were very nicely designed. I like how on almost every level the rodent is on the sides. Some of these are ones I've never heard of. The defining characteristic of your levels is that they're quite small with very minimal skillsets, but that doesn't mean they're easy. Indeed, these were quite difficult, and I ended up solving most of them after a lot of struggling. The hardest levels for me were Hard 16 and Hard 20. For the former, a lot of the things I tried would had worked had I had 1 more skill.

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For the latter, I don't know if the solution is supposed to be very precise, as I use 4 pixel perfect assignments.

Hard 9 and 12 - Gerbil: Derelict Obstacle Course were also difficult for me, although I don't know if the super precise basher/stacker is intended at the end for the former, while the latter was an extremely difficult one to figure out, especially since a lot of the things I tried kept failing by a pixel or so. I did learn something new in this level, though.

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My favorites were Hard 1, 4, 5, 11 and 18 - Groundhog: Sport Pod. For the last one, I recall using this trick a lot when I was attempting to solve Niesch's level from the previous contest, and when I remembered this, that was the clicking moment. Had I not seen it before, I likely would had been stuck here for far longer.

Levels that I think I backrouted: Hard 13, 14, 15, 17, and 19.

Now some feedback on some levels themselves.

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These aren't the only levels of yours that I have played. I've also played your Gronkling6 and Gronkling7 Lemmini packs. For the former, there's only 1 level I haven't solved yet, which is the final one, Bring It Together. There was one other level that for a long time I couldn't solve, The Mystery Machine, but I finally solved that a couple of weeks ago after being stuck on it for a little over 3 years. Indeed, I never would had figured that glitch out on my own had it not been for the Lemmini glitch topic, as that is a result I would not expect at all with the floater skill. Not to mention I had never ever seen it before even though I have played so many levels on Lemmini long before reaching that level of yours in the Bonus rank of RotL.

For the latter, I think I solved all of them. So yes, your levels are definitely quite challenging, but I eventually am able to figure them out. The biggest exception was The Mystery Machine, but again that was all due to not knowing about the glitch that's needed to solve it :crylaugh:

Overall, nice job with this small Animal pack of yours. Looking forward to more content from you in the future and am glad to see you back around here in the Forums after your long extended absence :P
« Last Edit: March 10, 2021, 08:44:52 AM by kaywhyn »
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPMqwuqZ206rBWJrUC6wkrA - My YouTube channel and you can also find my playlists of Lemmings level packs that I have LPed
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