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Offline Apjjm

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Lemmings Quartet (v1.5) [Difficulty: Medium-Hard]
« on: October 11, 2021, 12:22:28 AM »


Lemmings usually gather in great numbers to form massive communities...
But in this level pack there are only 4!
Can you guide them through 18 levels using the original 8 skills?
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Difficulty: Medium - Hard
If you have completed another community pack you should find most of the levels approachable.
Though some of the later ones will hopefully be a nice challenge for even the more experienced solvers!

Levels
The pack contains a total of 25 levels: 18 in the main rank and 7 extra.
Main rank levels primarily use original/ohno styles, but do take some extra decoration from the lemmings 2 styles in places.


A shell game


Broken warpgate

Music (Optional)
Music download

The levels will look for some ocremix music in 'music/ocremix'. Music credits are in the spoiler below as well as in the zip.
If you do plan on including the music in a video, do check the content policy (There is also a content id list there too).

Thanks to
  • WillLem for multiple playtests and feedback
  • Proxima for a really helpful playtest
  • Namida for help & advice
  • NieSch for a talisman solution to level 12
  • Armani for finding backroutes & resolving levels after a few rounds of fixes
  • Kaywhyn for the great playthrough and talisman solution to level 5

Change log
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« Last Edit: April 10, 2022, 09:18:20 PM by Apjjm »
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Re: Lemmings Quartet
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2021, 08:04:15 AM »
Congrats on releasing the pack! It looks (and sounds) really good and the difficulty suits me well.

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Re: Lemmings Quartet
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2021, 09:03:44 AM »
I already said it on Discord, but I'll say it here as well: Congratulations on the release of your pack! :thumbsup: This is definitely on my to-play list, as soon as I get through some of my planned LPs of other level packs first. When I get to this, I for sure will link you to my LP! I'm happy to hear that you enjoy them :)
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPMqwuqZ206rBWJrUC6wkrA - My YouTube channel and you can also find my playlists of Lemmings level packs that I have LPed
kaywhyn's blog: https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=5363.0

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Re: Lemmings Quartet
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2021, 03:07:20 PM »
This is an excellent pack, I am happy to have helped playtest this one and can warmly recommend it. Needless to say, I wasn't able to solve the harder levels in this pack, but I had great fun trying, and I enjoyed watching Apjjm's replays (to see if I could help with backroute-proofing, of course!) :lemcat:

The difficulty works its way up gradually throughout the pack for the most part. It starts with some lighter puzzles that the more casual players amongst us can have some fun with, and is later peppered with some super-hard brainteasers for the more expert solvers, climaxing with a more open-ended romper stomper to finish the pack in classic style.

All levels feature classic-8 skillsets only, which is becoming increasingly rare to see in custom packs so it's been inspiring to see these used in a fresh and interesting way. The levels also use only the original 9 styles in a similarly innovative way, combining multiple styles together throughout and creating some lovingly detailed "map art" which adds to the atmosphere of the pack.

The "Quartet" theme is also quite an attractive feature, with all levels featuring no more than 4 lemmings. Some of them only feature 3, which was confusing at first, but then I thought it might be realised it was because because the lem count is cumulative (i.e. as 1 lemming dies, the remaining levels only feature the remaining lems from the original 4). This would have been a particularly good way to explore the concept further, but it doesn't appear to be the case. Nevertheless, All of the levels use the limited lem count in an interesting way, almost always requiring work to be done by at least 2 or more of the lemmings in order to bring the often remarkably complex solutions together.

My favourite pack of 2021 so far, and one I hope to remix in a future project involving only community packs :thumbsup:



Post edited following Apjjm's confirmation that the lem count is, in fact, cumulative. Nice work! :thumbsup:
« Last Edit: October 13, 2021, 12:29:35 AM by WillLem »

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Re: Lemmings Quartet
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2021, 04:44:18 PM »
Thanks for the comments so far!

kaywhyn I will absolutely be looking forward to watching your playthrough :)

WillLem Thanks again for all the help playtesting & feedback with the pack. Regarding your later point
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Re: Lemmings Quartet
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2021, 12:31:15 AM »
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In that case, give yourself another gold star. This is an awesome idea! :thumbsup:

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Re: Lemmings Quartet
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2021, 01:02:50 PM »
I solved the first ten levels now except for level 8. Nice puzzles! My favorite solution so far is of level 9.

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Re: Lemmings Quartet
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2021, 04:42:23 PM »
I solved the first ten levels now except for level 8. Nice puzzles! My favorite solution so far is of level 9.

Nice going so far - you have either the intended solutions or nice alternatives in all the replays :thumbsup:. I really liked your solution to level 6 - I didn't think you could make that work at first!


Edit:
I have updated the pack to V1.0.1. These are minor cosmetic changes to a few levels. The most notable is to level 8, where there is more detailing added to some unreachable decorative rocks, and the eraser spots have been tidied up a little in a few places. Any replays already produced should still work unless they were doing something very surprising!
« Last Edit: October 14, 2021, 07:52:46 PM by Apjjm »
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Re: Lemmings Quartet
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2021, 04:22:39 PM »
I'm struggling with the second part of the levels. I found these three solutions so far. I'm sure the solution to the penultimate level (Phantom breakout) is not intended, it seems too easy. :)

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Re: Lemmings Quartet
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2021, 07:18:02 PM »
I'm struggling with the second part of the levels. I found these three solutions so far. I'm sure the solution to the penultimate level (Phantom breakout) is not intended, it seems too easy. :)
The second half of the pack does really start to ramp up the difficulty compared to the earlier ones (15-17 in particular), but you have made great progress so far!

I really liked your solution to n-body problem!
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Castle on the coast is a fine solution given the skillset but isn't using a key element I had originally intended. I will have a think about this one and see If i can make an adjustment to this level or the skillset.

Phantom breakout is very much not intended and I'm a bit gutted I didn't spot this one! I think I know how to fix it so should have an updated version out soon enough.
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Re: Lemmings Quartet
« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2021, 02:31:20 AM »
I solved the pack. I'm impressed with all your artistic creativity here and I especially love cherry blossom tree made with marble tiles. :thumbsup:

There're probably some backroutes here and there though.
Armani's Blog: https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=4994.0

My NL level pack:
  Lemmings Uncharted[Medium~Extreme]: https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=5702
  Xmas Lemmings 2021[Easy~Very Hard]: https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=5876.0

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Re: Lemmings Quartet
« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2021, 11:15:52 PM »
Thanks for playing through Armani & great job solving them all :thumbsup:. There were some backroutes in there which I have hopefully fixed in V1.1!
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I have updated the pack based on the solutions so far - changes in V1.1
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« Last Edit: October 20, 2021, 11:29:01 PM by Apjjm »
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Re: Lemmings Quartet
« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2021, 12:16:17 PM »
I resolved the updated levels 8-)

Wow these levels are very nice! :thumbsup:
I think it's really hard to make a challenging puzzle level which is also aesthetically beautiful but you managed to do so.
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Armani's Blog: https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=4994.0

My NL level pack:
  Lemmings Uncharted[Medium~Extreme]: https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=5702
  Xmas Lemmings 2021[Easy~Very Hard]: https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=5876.0

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Re: Lemmings Quartet
« Reply #13 on: October 22, 2021, 04:54:51 PM »
I just watched the replays & I'm happy you liked the levels!

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Re: Lemmings Quartet
« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2021, 12:33:46 AM »
I have updated the pack to V1.2.0 :lemming:

I have added one extra bonus level (to bring the total to 25), and pre-text for the existing 'extra' levels with some trivia about why they are in the extra rank.

This update also has the following fixes / adjustments:
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