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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #300 on: August 10, 2019, 11:05:09 AM »
Taxing 18 "Snake", the blocker is not needed (so: 16 turners + 3 bombers). Just do the max-saved solution, but let the lemmings that turn around die instead of using the blocker; you'll still save enough.
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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #301 on: August 10, 2019, 05:34:14 PM »
Mayhem 1 has been reduced to 2 bombers, 1 builder, 2 diggers, 2 climbers (difference: -1 digger)
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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #302 on: August 10, 2019, 07:47:48 PM »
I have recently found a solution that increases the number of lemmings saved in Taxing 18: "Snake". This solution reduces the number of turners used by 10, so the latest score on that level is 6 turners, 3 bombers.
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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #303 on: August 10, 2019, 10:43:59 PM »
And I found a solution that further increases this to 68 69, in the process bringing the result for this level down to 4 turners, 3 bombers.
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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #304 on: August 11, 2019, 12:07:20 AM »
Mayhem 7 "Driving Range" is now "none", thanks to this turner-free solution. It doesn't anywhere near improve on the number of lemmings saved, though.

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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #305 on: August 11, 2019, 12:54:32 AM »
Tricky 8 "All Around The Watchtower" is also none.

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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #306 on: August 11, 2019, 01:13:02 AM »
Mayhem 2 "Brechin's Staircase" has been improved to 3 blockers, 2 turners, 1 bomber, 3 bashers and 4 climbers (difference = -2 bombers).

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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #307 on: August 11, 2019, 01:54:16 AM »
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Tricky 7 "Follow The Yellow Brick Road": 6 turners, 4 builders, 1 basher, 1 digger

Here's a solution that uses only 2 turners, and no bashers or diggers. It still uses all 4 builders, and doesn't improve on the saved record (it matches it exactly) - though I have a variation in mind that might improve it by 1 lemming.

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Thus, the result for this level is now 2 turners, 3 builders. I very much doubt there's any room for further improvement, unless we discover a steel glitch of some kind.
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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #308 on: December 17, 2019, 05:28:13 PM »
I not know is this right place put this. Couple builder challenge solutions SNES version lemmings. Its seems im first who make those videos in youtube. This 80% (2 builder solution was really hard one) 100% 3 builders is longer, but easier one. Both was pretty hard figured out.

Taxing 12 Livin on the edge any-% (80%) saved (2 builders)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZeR2LgIzIE

Taxing 12 Livin on the edge 100% saved (3 builders)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLAI5Js3B2A&t=2s
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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #309 on: December 17, 2019, 05:31:34 PM »
The original post here suggests any% with 2 builders is already known on DOS. There was another topic, IIRC, for "skills you can't live without + max saved", but I can't seem to find it. It's possible 3 builders 100% is an improvement there.

EDIT: Found it. At least on DOS, 2 builders 100% is known to be possible. https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=1414.0
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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #310 on: December 17, 2019, 05:35:19 PM »
I think it's fine to put this post here. We're never going to do the entire "skills you can't live without" challenge for SNES, but individual level results might be interesting.

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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #311 on: January 25, 2020, 11:45:21 PM »
[L3D] Mayhem 16 "Fun Fair" - 1 blocker, 5 turners, 4 builders, 1 miner, 1 digger, 6 climbers

As I mentioned in the min-skills thread, this one can be done with just 3 builders (plus all of the other skills, of course).  It's really just the standard solution.

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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #312 on: February 27, 2020, 09:30:10 PM »
Mayhem 7 "Poles Apart" with 2 bashers. :) (DOS / Lemmix)
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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #313 on: February 27, 2020, 10:32:19 PM »
And Prima Mayhem 3 "Old MacDonald Had A Farm" with 3 builders. Similar to the last one, this is a case of "huge oversight on everyone's part" rather than some novel trick / approach.
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Re: What skills can't you live without?
« Reply #314 on: February 27, 2020, 11:22:20 PM »
Havoc 4 "The Race Against Cliches", no digger.

You can do this much more similarly to the NL version of this if you use the pause-for-time glitch, however I have here a glitch-free execution of it too.
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