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Quote from: JawaJuice on June 10, 2026, 11:17:34 AMWhat language is NLEditor written in out of curiosity?

C#

Source code for NL editor:

https://bitbucket.org/namida42/neolemmixeditor/src/master/

To reproduce:

On RetroLemmini v2.9, play and complete an entire level pack. Doesn't matter what pack. Must finish the whole pack by having the pack marked as "completed." When this happens, clicking "choose level" via "Levels" in the menu bar doesn't open at all. Finishing an entire rank when there are still incomplete ranks for the pack doesn't trigger the bug.

Or, when launching RetroLemmini v2.9, double-click a level in a pack that is marked "completed" and make sure it goes into the level preview screen. Once there, try going to "level" => Choose level. Same thing, doesn't open.

When selecting a level from a completed pack by the level select menu, either by clicking the "choose level" button or via level => Choose level, notice that the level isn't selected when single clicking. However, the game still loads the level fine when double-clicking, as it goes to the level preview screen. At the same time, if you went to the level select menu via the huge "choose level" button on the main menu, the button "unselects" when double-clicking the level by becoming "undark" again.

Checked RetroLemmini v2.8 and the "choose level" menu not opening bug is not present there.

The title says it all. Currently, when you have autosave replays enabled for RetroLemmini, the replay that is generated uses the  following filename naming scheme:

Level Pack Name_rank name_level number_Level name_time stamp_date

Yea, autosaved RetroLemmini replays generated this way are way too long IMO. Often times, a lot of the replay filename won't be displayed and hence you would need to mouse over it and/or right-click the file and click Properties.

So, my suggestion would be to provide some other naming schemes when an autosave replay is generated in addition to the one that's currently used for the feature. For example, in NL the level pack folder is made with an Auto folder inside it where the replay resides. In particular, I use NL's autosave rank and level number for my replays. I would certainly use this same naming scheme for RetroLemmini autosave replays if there is such an option  

Yea, I feel the need to make this, especially as it's pretty long overdue. I think I remember Icho wanted to make a topic on this from a while back as well. It's going to be a rant of sorts, so make of it what you will!

Before I go on this rant, do note that I have yet to make and release a level pack of my own (it's currently a WIP), but I've been making levels for NL for the past 4, almost 5, years. This is long enough that I can offer this sound advice for any NL level/pack creator, and that is always make a solving replay for any completed levels you make and keep a master replay set for your levels/pack! In this way, in case a player who plays your level/pack has doubts on its solvability, which is really easy to do especially on really difficult levels as a lot of the time they give the appearance of an "impossible" level, you at least have proof that the level is 100% possible and that you the author didn't make a mistake when you made the level. You would also be able to send a replay of the level if requested by the player. This practice of always making a solving replay for completed levels is one that I've been doing right from the start of my level designing career, ever since I got into level making all those 4 years ago. Yes, I know that testing your own levels can sometimes be a lot of work, but it's a really good habit! We fortunately also have the mass replay check tool, and it's always a good idea to run replays of your levels/pack through it to make sure that everything is fine on your end!

All rightie, now starts my rant. Nothing irritates me more than when I'm playing levels made by someone else that turned out to be impossible after all, especially as I have wasted a lot of time in the past playing such levels that turned out to not be solvable! Icho can also tell you from his experiences, and he can sing you a song about playing impossible levels, asking the author for a replay, only to not get one because he/she didn't have one for the level saved.

Recently, I privately pre-tested a pack that's now cancelled and encountered a level that, while it was solvable via the normal solution, it had an impossible talisman! => I wasted about an hour trying to obtain something that was made impossible by the level design. This makes me wonder if the creator somehow didn't test the level properly for the talisman and/or put that talisman by mistake, as it was the only one for the pack. At the same time, the only way I saw that the talisman would be possible is if the Lemmings were able to step up into the containment area and hence be safe as they would no longer be in danger, but instead the Lemmings turn around because the wall is too high for them to be able to ascend it, and you can't afford to let that happen since they would walk out the level side and die.

So yes, this advice extends to and includes making a solving replay for talismans as well should you include any for your level/pack! I even asked if Armani was able to obtain the talisman, and when I was supplied his replay for the level, he didn't as well. The reason for this is I know he always goes for them, so the fact that he didn't obtain the talisman either supports that the talisman is indeed impossible to obtain.

Another thing that recently occurred last week that finally got me to make this topic was when a recently registered member who had been lurking silently on the Forums for the past several years posted and inquired about two levels in another user's level packs topic that they couldn't solve because the levels seem to not provide enough skills in order to make them solvable. While I haven't yet posted in the topic that the user posted in, I silently took a look at the levels they mentioned and I too couldn't solve them => I wasted a lot of time on two levels that don't seem to be solvable at all! Once again, another case of an author not properly testing the levels!

I definitely can't emphasize enough the importance of making a solving replay for levels you make and then keeping a master replay set for your levels/pack safe somewhere on your machine. Heck, make a backup of your replays/master replay set so that in case you accidentally delete it you at least still have a copy! I can honestly say that for many of my levels that I made all those years ago that I have begun to forget some of the details of my intended solutions, and this makes me very glad that I have made solving replays for them! I myself have yet to encounter someone who has played my levels and asking me for a solving replay because they're not sure about their solvability. 

Droidlings was a fan game by Johannes which they intended to be a remake of Lemmings for Android that was cancelled a while back using graphic sets of theirs that were created from an artist they hired. More information can be found at these links:

https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=1582.0

Droidling Graphic Sets: https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=1453.0

In the end, Johannes made and released 5 levels for the game. These were converted to NL by Wafflem a while back but weren't posted back then, until now. So, I present to you Droidlings for NL. The pack is attached. Simply extract to your NL directory. Everything will fall into place.

The required styles to play the levels are included in the attachment, but they are also now part of the NL standard styles library, meaning you can download them via the styles manager in the NL player.

Replays are also included, and they all pass the MRC, verifying they're all solvable.

Enjoy!  

Bug filed against Dosbox-Staging: Lemmings 3 (CD Version) has bad flickering video animation. #4370

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All right, let's give this a try and see if either kieran or Simon or anyone knowledgeable enough about Lemmings 3 can advise me here. So the good news is that I'm able to get the L3 game running on Dosbox by following the instructions in either post for the CD version, though yea I agree that Simon's post is the much easier way to go about it since it doesn't require or recommend installing the game. The game runs fine, but there is a problem with the intro movie sequence: It flickers between a black screen and showing the movie. Perhaps this is what kieran meant by "the opening video might be messed up"? I'm not sure why it happens and whether there's a fix for it. I've tried researching it online but I haven't found anything, and it doesn't seem to be a problem in general for the game.

The other alternative is to run the floppy version of the game instead of the CD version, which doesn't have the opening video messed up flickering issue, but instead the problem is now there's no moving at all in the movie, i.e, you don't see the Lemmings Ark moving and flying in the movie. This seems to be very common, as pretty much nearly every video of the opening L3 sequence I've seen on Youtube have this no movement in the opening video.

So yea, any suggestions or know of a fix for the flickering for the CD version?

edit: jkapp76 has provided a working portable copy in reply #7 here: https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=7137.msg106293#msg106293. I can confirm that everything works fine, including the intro movie with no flickering and the screen also moves. Many thanks for your time and commitment in getting the issue solved! As such, I have tagged the topic as "solved." 

Hello,

Over the last few weeks, I've recently played through and completed Lemmings 2 again after so long. Link to my playlist:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLbp2m4KlFpJsv0QLnAXBn3CwIMDbm-5Tl

This is my full gold medal playthrough of the Dos version of the game on Dosbox. Also, I figured outthe mixer master command to reduce the volume to a comfortable level so that the music wasn't blasting in my ears. I did 25:25 instead of 20:20, but this was still fine. I didn't realize that Simon and kieran documented this, but thanks for the tip!

I first played L2 back when I was a high schooler in the mid-2000s, when I was either a junior or senior. That time, I completed all 120 levels with the gold standard and hence got the "good ending." Since then, I've played and completed L2 at least once, with the last time before my most recent LP of it probably being sometime in the 2010s.

I must say, it felt really nice to play through L2 again after so long even if plenty of the levels caused me a lot of frustration due to the fiddly execution and/or I really overcomplicated the solutions While it isn't my top favorite Lemmings game of all time, it's not that bad of a game either. It's a semi-decent direct sequel to Lemmings despite there being so many more skills, most of which are redundant. I've forgotten so many of the levels, so it was really nice to see and play most of them again after so long.

Quite honestly, I really don't remember all those sacrifices you're allowed and still be able to get the gold standard for the levels. Yes, I know it's been proven that save all's are possible for all 120 levels, but I am not knowledgeable or patient enough to pull them off. After all, it did take more than 20 years to get the final save all's on a couple!

In any case, L2 is still worth checking out IMO. I did miss framestepping and rewinding while playing L2, but there hasn't been word from RavenNine regarding the L2Player for a while, and it currently seems far from complete. So, I had to play through the game on Dosbox. However, playing through L2 in way more recent times like how I did it does allow me to make comments such as "the jumper and slider being added to NL" and making comparisons of the L2 skills to NL.

One of the things I totally forgot about in L2 is the shimmier making a diagonal jump rather than a straight vertical jump like it does in NL. Similarly, there's no wall jumping while climbing in L2, just like Lix, but there is jumping from the ground to attach to the wall to climb. I do know about the vertical laser blaster of L2 being changed to a diagonal one in NL.

Another skill in L2 that acts similarly to Lix's is the platformer. However, I definitely got to see how much backroute power the skill has as a result of it adding height AND the fact you can platform anywhere, even on flat, smooth ground. Not sure if that is why NL's platformer was changed so that it doesn't do either one, though.

Eventually, I would like to play through both kieran millars' and Ste Woz Ere's L2 packs (link for latter's here: https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=5664.0), but this likely won't be for a while. Am I prepared for them as a result of playing through the L2 base game after so long? Not necessarily, but I'm sure they did a great job showing off way more interactions of the L2 skills with one another! As a matter of fact, I started playing millar's L2 pack several years ago but didn't get too far with it. I stopped after only two levels, the last one being Shadow 2 but wasn't solved. I knew the idea there, I just didn't carry it through at the time.

I think what's in order here is a break from LPing before taking on Lemmings 3. As of summer 2021, the only official Lemmings games I haven't played or completed are L3 and Lemmings Paintball. I've completed all the other official Lemmings games, including Lemmings 3D, which I played for the first time back the summer of 2021. I'm not sure if I'll like L3 very much in the end, but I guess I'll see once I get into it!       

Just a friendly reminder that if you record and post a YouTube video solution with no audio commentary to a Lemmings level using a replay that isn't yours, to give credit where credit is due. Always, always credit the person of the replay/solution that you're using and posting somewhere in the video, either in the video title or video description. Unless the author says otherwise, posting the video solutions themselves of course is fine, and I'm sure the author(s) of the levels appreciate people posting solutions to the levels to be available to view online regardless of whose solution it is! However, to do so without crediting the owner of the replay/solution somewhere in the video is dishonest and disrespectful, as this pretty much means you're making it look like you're passing off the replays/solutions as your own, when in fact you've recorded a video of someone else's solution.

I've sent a PM to the user who I noticed hasn't been crediting the owner of the replay(s) in their videos they been posting to fix that. Other than the user I PMed, I've seen everyone else do the proper thing of crediting the person of the solution in their videos! Thank you for doing so, your honesty, and giving credit where credit is due and keep up the great work!

Nice work! However, the version number on the RetroLemmini main menu appears to not be updated? When opening RetroLemmini, it says Version 1.0, not 1.1

All rightie, I've teased this community long enough as to whether or not I'm making a level pack. So, I'm making it official: I'm working on an upcoming level pack for New Formats NL! I've been undecided about this for a really long time, especially as I'm more of a level solver than a level maker, but with encouragement from this community who have supported me so much over the last few years, I've decided to give level pack making a try! I of course will be posting my progress on the pack from time to time

To whet your appetite of what you can expect, I recorded a video showing off a sneak preview of my upcoming level pack


I had originally wanted to make this video sometime in the summer of last year, but I unfortunately hadn't made too much progress with this pack yet at the time, as well as had a laptop keyboard problem that kind of demotivated me to work on the pack. However, I finally found the motivation and will to resume work again in the last few months, so I'm happy to say that this project will still be moving forward!

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Background

As you know, I'm kaywhyn, where I currently seem to be the main and sole LPer when it comes to LPing custom Lemmings level packs. You can see the huge list of packs I've LPed through the YT link in my signature

I've registered for the Lemmings Forums back in 2017, and so I've been a member of this community for 7 years now. However, I didn't post publicly to the site until March 2020, so really I've been active in this community for only 4 years. This was where I posted a super lengthy intro about myself and my background in Lemmings

kaywhyn's Introduction and Lemmings History/Background

Long story short, I was first acquainted with the game of Lemmings from when I was about 6 or 7. I started with watching my big brother play the game before I myself took up to playing it sometime later. Even though he had a head start, I managed to finish all of both L1 and ONML before him just due to me constantly coming back to the game while my brother just stopped playing at some point and didn't really re-visit the game afterwards.

Fast forward to around 2012 (about a year after I graduated from college/university and was doing my post-baccalaureate/Master's) or so (according to my hard drive I have some DoveLems replays that are dated 2014, so maybe my memory is fuzzy on the year here ) where I remember searching for something like "custom Lemmings levels" on Youtube and one of the results that popped up was by roundthewheel. I can't remember the order, but it was either a video showing off what the Lemmini engine can do before LPing DoveLems or his LP of Dos L1/ONML. For the former, I was instantly hooked and went about downloading Lemmini and Dodochacalo's level pack. It wasn't on the current link to the Lemmings Forums, it was the one before the .net one. I was a Lemmini/SuperLemmini user for several years before I finally made the dip into NL content in 2019, when I was playing through Icho's Lemmings United pack. Before that, I had completed DoveLems, PimoLems, and Lemmings Reunion on Lemmini, along with SubLems for SuperLemmini.

Shortly after I solved all of Lemmings United (taking me an entire year to do so), Icho encouraged me to "give the level making side a try." With that, I made my foray into level designing for Lemmings with LDC #22, where I made my very first Lemmings level called "Bubble Trouble." You can see the latest revision/first draft I submitted for the contest in the video link above at about the 28:50 mark That one won't be in the level pack by the way, I have a much better and improved version of it that will be

For all LDCs thereafter, I've participated in them as both a level solver and level designer and hence I've been making levels for almost 4 years now. At some point, even though I stated in my introduction post on the Forums that I likely wasn't going to bother with level making and hence a level pack, I re-considered the level pack option. Thus began the long period of me teasing the community and neither confirming nor denying whether I'm working on making a level pack Except for one person who I confirmed it to last year and so really it's two people keeping it secret

So, 7 years as a registered member but only been active for 4 years and still no level pack from me However, with how I've played and solved so many level packs in the last several years, some of which are the hardest ones (Lemmings United, Lemmings Plus Omega 2, Lemmings Plus Alpha, Lemmings Plus V, and Lemmings Plus III, as well as NepsterLems and Lemmings Stampede), perhaps it's a sign that I should work on a level pack of my own Indeed, I've managed to get so much inspiration and level ideas of my own from having played so many packs/levels. It should also be clear that I'm more of a level solver instead of a level designer, considering if my early levels are any indication I wasn't an artist and I still am not However, several members have been kind enough to tell me that I have improved significantly in my designs visually in the last few years. Once again, that harks back to how this community has been encouraging me to work on a level pack

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What I have Planned

• 125 levels across 5 ranks of 25 levels each (final total number of levels might change)

          - Rank names are currently the following:
                - Rank 1 - Vague - 0/25
                - Rank 2 - Hazy - 5/25
                - Rank 3 - Clear - 4/25
                - Rank 4 - Lucid - 1/25
                - Rank 5 - Vivid - 2/25
          - Link to list of possible rank names:
                - Akseli's list of rank names of Various Level Packs

• Classic 8 skills only

          - Probably no NL features, just a "classic" pack. So, no teleporters, updrafts, etc.

• Level height will be kept at the standard 160. Horizontal length is anything goes. Therefore no vertical scrolling levels just like L1/ONML
• All L1/ONML tilesets, as well as the L2 Circus and L2 Sports styles, and L3 Biolab style, with two levels per style per rank (that's 24 levels)
• A special level for each rank just like the special graphics levels of L1

          - So, there will be a level using Gronkling's Beast and Menacing tilesets         
          - I originally made a Sega level to the be L1 Taxing equivalent of the AWESOME level as the special graphics level for rank 3 since there's no AWESOME style for NL included yet. However, I have Proxima's blessing to use his Cheapo AWESOME set to make the rank 3 special graphics level. Thank you!   So, the Sega special graphics level is now in the 5th rank as its special graphics level, similar to what Lemmings Redux does with having a Sega special level for the 5th and final rank.
          - The remaining two special levels would probably be in one of namida's and one of Icho's graphical sets

• Final level would be a wall of fame thanking some members and the Lemmings Forums for being so supportive of me over the years

          - As such, the Fire tileset would be great for this due to having the 26 letters of the alphabet pieces         
          - Or, I might just mix all the official tilesets I used for the pack into one level for the final level

If doing the last point above, that would mean I would have to forgo a level in one of the styles I plan to use for the pack and therefore there would just be one level in that style for the rank. Or it can be considered the "special" level this way instead and hence maybe no level in a graphical set of a specific designer. Perhaps that would mean I make the final rank an exception of it being 26 levels instead of 25. Thoughts?

I also like time limits, so I may or may not put them for every level for the pack. Yes, I'm well aware that the NL standard is to provide infinite time unless it's for fixing backroutes and/or the main challenge of the puzzle, but I just love numbers, being a math/science person. I considered time limits to be an iconic part of the Lemmings games and loved toying around with being close or on the wire with time remaining on those levels where the time limit was tight when I was a kid and still occasionally do whenever revisiting the game on Dos Don't worry, though, a lot of them will be arbitrarily high so that they won't ever be a problem. In the video, except for one level made so far that has one, the others currently don't have one, so again I may or may not put in one for every level

Finally, I would like the pack to go through some pre-testing before publicly releasing it. The pre-testing phase won't open for a long time, as I'm very slow when it comes to level making and I'm pretty far from my overambitious goal of 125 levels anyway So, don't worry about it for some time. Simply keep an eye out on this topic as to when I have opened up the pre-testing phase. When it does, if you're interested in pre-testing, you can either post in this topic or shoot me a PM So far, I have one person in mind who has gladly accepted and possibly another who might be interested, and I'll probably look into having either 3 or 4 pre-testers

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Music

Since there will be two levels per tileset, I'll be using two tracks for each tileset. Here's the breakdown so far:

L1 Dirt - None

L1 Pillar - None

L1 Crystal - None

L1 Fire - Probably 1/2 so far, but I'm still undecided about the one I'm thinking of using.

L1 Marble - None

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ONML Brick - None

ONML Rock - Probably 1/2, but just like L1 Fire I'm still undecided about the one track I'm thinking of using.

ONML Snow - 1/2 tracks so far

ONML Bubble - None

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L2 Circus - None

L2 Sports - None

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L3 Biolab - 2/2 tracks decided and the only set of the pack where I have both tracks picked out.

See this post for more details about the music sources and possible ones I might use music from for the pack. Maybe I can link to some videos of the tracks later on?

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Difficulty

While I don't expect this to be the next Lemmings Reunion or NepsterLems, DO NOT expect me to go easy on the difficulty! I've learned so many neat tricks from having played a lot of level packs over the last several years and I'm not afraid to use them in my own levels! People have also been kind enough to tell me that my levels are still difficult even when I keep thinking they aren't, relatively speaking, to all the other contest levels in the packs. Therefore, it always surprises me to hear my levels are hard. This is simply due to how you as the creator know what's intended while other players don't. It therefore makes it very difficult for authors to judge the difficulty of their own levels. That's where feedback from others comes in handy! I've also been told that my level solutions/puzzles have always been good, so it's nice to know that people have always found them enjoyable!

So far with the user who has private streamed my levels have been able or haven't figured out, Lemmings Memories seems to be shaping up to be a really difficult pack As such, it would likely be classified as a Medium - Very Hard pack. It likely won't go to the Extreme end of the difficulty, but who knows!

That being said, don't let the difficulty scare you in either pre-testing or playing the pack. For the former, it's not required that you are able to solve all the levels. Any feedback on the ones you're able to solve or aren't able to is helpful!

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Preview Level Images

I'm just going to post the ones I didn't show off in the video, as well as a couple I already did So far, I think all of these are at least rank 2 or higher difficulty.

                   
Bubble Trouble (original from 2021)                                                                  Bubble Trouble (improved 2024/2025) 

As mentioned, this is the very first Lemmings level I ever made. Well, after almost 4 years (December 26, 2024, modified some more May 4, 2025), I came back to the level to fix it up so that it looks way better than the first draft you see in the video, and this is the result after a long brainstorming session IMO I think this is a significant improvement over the original in the design while keeping the intended solution intact!


Crowd and Flow Control


We All Fit In


Sega Special: Brain Drain

edit May 4, 2025: The very first level I've made with the Sega style and I think it turned out to be quite all right! Originally made to be the special graphics level for rank 3 to act as the Taxing L1 equivalent of the AWESOME level, this level is now in the 5th rank as its special graphics level, similar to what Lemmings Redux does with using a Sega level as the special graphics level for the 5th and final rank. I have Proxima's blessing to use his Cheapo AWESOME set to make a level with to stand in as the 3rd rank's special graphics level. Thank you!

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Special Thanks

• IchoTolot for Lemmings Reunion, Lemmings United, and the NL Intro Pack. For Lemmings United, he stood by my side the entire time to give me the push and motivation to keep playing and solving the pack even when I started feeling the pack defeated me for good. Also for playing all my contest levels and giving me so much encouragement, support, and his honest feedback all while being a mentor to me in level designing and just wanting my levels to be great It's thanks to him I even got into level designing, as I think I would had been content with just playing and solving levels otherwise!

              - Also for his LDC 22 R1 and LDC 30 R3 rules because that allows me to use two of my contest levels for this pack!  

• Armani for playing all my contest levels and being so persistent in resolving updates to my levels even if it's stressful and frustrating for me anytime I need to backroute fix, but that's just because he's that good at the game of Lemmings and I in general seem to not be that good at backroute fixing. To be fair, we both have had our fair share of backrouting each other's levels to no end, so we know and understand one another about how frustrating it is when our levels keep getting backrouted In truth, I am thankful for all his help and assistance in catching all these bad backroutes and for all the solutions to my levels he's sent me, backroute or not Also for the nice compliments he has given my levels and the great things he has had to say about me, both as a Lemmings player and person
• Mobiethian for always complimenting my level designs even when I personally keep thinking they don't look good Also for just supporting all of my work/projects like I have with his content
• Wafflem for LemmingBytes and all his wonderful ideas and inspiration!
• Nessy for providing me links to websites where I can download great music for Lemmings levels I make!
• namida/Nepster for NL
• The Lemmings Forums

2000th post! (2001st is my post in the Updated Styles topic ) To celebrate this milestone, I'm going to post a compilation pack of Pre-LF Contest levels for which Nepster updated them for NL. They are attached as a download below I've also attached my replay collection for the pack, as proof that all of these are solvable. I've ensured that they are and for those that weren't I made changes so that they are. Please note these are my solutions to the levels. A lot of these the intended solution is unknown, and as most of these authors aren't even around anymore or inactive, there's no way to know for certain what they intended. 

These are contest levels that were found on various websites. They have been organized into 6 ranks: Crazy C. 1 (Crazy Contest 1), Heaven C. 2008 (Lemmings Heaven Contest 2008), Heaven C. 2010, Welt Group Level, Welt Just Dig C (Welt "Just Dig" Contest), and finally Forum Member C (Forum Member Contest).

Crazy C. 1 - This was a contest held on the Lemmings Crazy website (it's still up and works). According to the info, namida seems to have been the owner of the site, who went by the username steaver370. Consists of 5 levels: 1 by namida, 1 by Insane Steve, 1 by Ben Conway (their level won the contest and yes, I remember playing this level of theirs on Dos back in the days and was very impressed by the solution when I figured it out! ), and two levels whose authors are unknown. If anyone knows the author of those levels, please let me know! There was another Lemmings Crazy contest but it seems that never ever got far or finished?

Heaven C. 2008 and Heaven C. 2010 are two separate contests that were held on the former Lemmings Heaven website that used to be up but has long since been taken down. The two changes I made here for the former are that I added the author for both Derangement of Science and The Rambaldi Eye, Lacktardo and Pieuw, respectively. For the former, you can find that in the Lemmini version of Revenge of the Lemmings as well, while the latter is a level that you can find in Pieuw's PimoLems level pack but under the title "The Eye of Rambaldi." The rest of the levels with unknown authors I couldn't get information for online, so once again if anyone knows who the authors of these levels are, let me know!

Heaven C. 2008 consists of 11 levels by various authors that aren't known except for the two levels I mentioned above, where I do know the authors of them because I've played them before.

Heaven C. 2010 consists of 17 levels whose authors are all known, with the main theme being all about the miner skill. There are 3 levels that needed to be excluded because they won't work in NL due to the intended solution requiring some Lemmini-exclusive mechanics: XXL (Extra Extra Level), Minor Miners, and Technoir.

To my knowledge, I think all of the Heaven contest levels were originally for Lemmini. If you download them from the Lemmings level database website, it should state that they're for Lemmini.

Welt Group Level - Two collaboration levels that were from the LemmingsWelt Forums back in 2005, the second of which appears to be a more refined version of the first one. You can find the first level in the New Formats Revenge of the Lemmings level pack as well According to the RotL readme file, the authors were Timballisto, Conway, Tumble Weed, Insane Steve, Shvegait, and "guest," the last one possibly being ccexplore, but it's not certain.

Welt Just Dig C. - Contest levels that are all based on the layout of Fun 1 - Just Dig from L1, with layout and skillset changes.

Welt CompPack - This rank consists of 1-of-everything levels.

Forum Member C. - Two levels, one by Tumble Weed, the other by Ben Conway. I'm not certain what this category is all about, so if anyone knows anything about this, let me know!

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Other Changes

There were three levels that needed edits: Perfect Harmony by Dodochacalo, The Lemming Archaeologist by loftyD, and Training Course by Conway. While Perfect Harmony was luckily still solvable the way it was, not being able to go up the slanted gold pipe from the left side is unintentional, meaning one needed to spend a builder there. As the level was originally for Lemmini, Lemmings can go up the slanted gold pipe just fine, so it might had been the shift from high-res to low-res that resulted in the hole/gap in NL. Here, I simply imitated mobius' edits to the level that he used for Revenge of the Lemmings (2022).

Both The Lemming Archaeologist and Training Course as they were would be impossible in New Formats NL due to the solution requiring dependency on the ceiling, which is deadly in New Formats NL. Luckily, it's an easy fix of simply putting terrain in the way so that the climber falls back down and doesn't exit out the top of the level and die.

The rest of the levels were all possible the way they were. Another major change I made here was I removed most of the time limits. The final level in particular probably has the tightest time limit with a very difficult to find solution on New Formats NL. I did think about possibly leaving it in, but honestly I think it'll just lead to too much player frustration. The ones I kept in were generally in ones with it being the main challenge of the level. Most of these happened to be the 1 minute levels. For others, like Perfect Harmony and Eye of Rambaldi, I checked the level packs where you can find these levels to see if the time limits were removed. For the former, which once again you can find in RotL (2022), mobius didn't remove the time limit, while Icho removed it for the latter, which is found in PimoLems. So, I decided to do the same with keeping the time limit and not keeping the time limit, respectively, for these two levels.

I also thought about removing the time limits for the "Just Dig" remakes, but ultimately I decided to leave them in just because these are pretty much remakes of the first DMA level from L1. None of them are very tight at all and hence theoretically can all be removed for these levels anyway If people want, I could remove the time limits in a future update

Finally, I thought about making changes to "Derangement of Science" and "Patience is a Virtue" due to them not confirming to NL standards because of hidden elements, but for now I decided to leave them the way I found them in when Nepster finished the work on them after these levels were gathered up. If backlash is particularly strong for the former (and I'm pretty sure it will be), I'll make an update for it so that it's completely fair and conforms to NL standards.

WARNING: Completely spoils the level if you haven't played it before!

There is hidden terrain behind the entrance and unfortunately CPM does not reveal it. So, unless you have seen a solution to the level or was told about this ahead of time, it's likely you won't solve the level for a really long time, if ever!

The latter isn't as bad, as it's just an exit that's hard to make out but it is visible due to it standing out thanks to the visual in the bottom half of the exit, though it possibly can easily be mistaken for the green acid of the L1 Marble tileset instead. Even then, it's quite an easy level thanks to skillset giving a bit more than one needs. I've already made an edit where I make the exit completely visible, and again if people want it visible, I'll put the edited level in an update.

Special thanks to:

• Ben Conway, bulletride, Dodochacalo, Ellischant, ftk99, Gronkling, Insane Steve, Juanjo, karmew32, Lacktardo, Lem'ka, loftyD, namida, Pieuw, and Tumbleweed for these levels
• Conway, "guest (possibly ccexplore but it's not certain)," Insane Steve, Shvegait, Timballisto, and Tumble Weed for the 2 LemmingsWelt collaboration levels
• All the unknown authors for the other levels which I couldn't find information on who they're by
• Nepster for doing the work on getting these updated for NL

This was originally suggested by Crane in this 12.7RC NL topic but wasn't ever implemented due to no one else chiming in on it and therefore "no interest" in it at the time:

https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=4444.msg77454#msg77454

To quote Crane from that topic:

Quote from: Crane on October 06, 2019, 11:57:21 PM

• Currently, if you hover your mouse over a neutral lemming, it doesn't display how many there are (like zombies). However, because neutral lemmings count towards the tally and can interact harmlessly with regular lemmings, I think the count should be displayed for neutral lemmings.

I second this suggestion of Crane's. Similar to how the panel displays a count for regular Lemmings when several of them are under the cursor, eg, "walker 5" when 5 Lemmings are under the cursor, I think having a neutral count when multiple neutrals are under the cursor would be very helpful. One case where it would be super helpful is from a level I was testing for Gronkling and I was wondering where my neutral group that's going around as 1 neutral Lemming because the others are all stacked up completely behind him was. I had a few isolated neutral Lemmings going around as well, but mousing over each of them didn't tell me which was the one neutral Lemming going around with all the others stacked up behind him completely.

I think I checked for zombies and it doesn't display a count for them from Old Formats NL onwards, with the last time it did so being the final stable version of very old formats NL, but I only checked with 10.13.18 and not anything in between that and 1.43. So, perhaps the count for zombies can be restored if it isn't already being displayed?   

Ladies and gentleman, we've got our final results!

The winning level is:

Armani's "Cheddar-Crusted Hash Browns"

The 2nd place goes to:

Armani's "Guts Over Fear"

Congratulations to Armani for winning the contest and for finishing in the top two spots!

3rd place goes to:

Eric Derkovits's "Mosaic Lemmings"


Choice for the prize for the first place is either:

- picking the next contest's rules
- US $5.00 (PayPal would be the easiest here I think).

See attached level. Again, observed in v12.12.5, but I have also confirmed it works in the 12.13 RC build. I actually first saw this in a Lemmings Hall of Fame level, an L2 Medieval one to be exact, but you guys wouldn't know that unless I told you, since I'm currently private pre-testing the pack for Strato before he publicly releases it sometime this year

Build in such a way so that when the Lemming is a slider, he will slide and go back out to the left. Notice that for the top left sliders will exit in midair. Same thing with the bottom right. Both the top right and bottom left they don't exit until they touch the ground first, during which they will exit, as usual. It makes no difference if they're pre-assigned sliders or are assigned the slider skill, the results are the same.

I thought maybe it has something to do with the dimensions of the exit trigger, which is somewhat true. However, it turns out that what matters is sliders will only exit in midair if they happen to touch the exit trigger at anytime during the de-hoisting animation. For example, turn up the RR to about 70 or so and make a Lemming in the top right build. Make the next one to come out of that entrance a slider. If the RR is appropriate, he will arrive and slide off the staircase around the second-to-last builder brick and exit in midair, but the builder himself will exit when he lands on the ground because the builder doesn't hit the exit trigger by the time he leaves the de-hoisting animation.

Along with the above, notice that the terrain in the bottom right is 3 pixels below the exit, in order to demonstrate that when they are sliders in that quadrant that they will exit in midair. Otherwise, if the ground is level with the Brick exit, then they will exit after hitting the ground first.

See attached level. This was observed in v12.12.5, but it should still be present in the 12.13 RC build as well. I first noticed this while playing and solving 400 metres 16 from DavidLems and this took me by complete surprise as well. Currently, when using a teleporter, Lemmings can turn into zombies before they appear or pop out of a receiver if a zombie happens to walk into the receiver trigger in the meantime. IMO, they should only be able to be turned into zombies after they leave the receiver, not anytime before that.

Unrelated to this, but I checked with Lemmings using an exit, and it seems that they are completely immune to zombies once they start exiting, which makes sense because Lemmings are savable, zombies are not. So, IMO teleporting Lemmings should be immune to being turned into a zombie until they come out of the receiver.

This is now github #494: Explain Gadgets (Traps, Flingers) on Mouseover.

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I've already posted it in the LOTY2023 Playing Phase topic, but I'll link my video where I show my solutions to your guys' nominated levels here as well

https://youtu.be/woKK3hjwjJc

In particular, I show off this particular feature that was just implemented in version 0.10.22 of Lix, starting at around the 8 minute mark:

Quote from: Simon on April 17, 2024, 10:07:55 PM

• Fix #427: Reveal trigger areas during play: When you activate the splat ruler, you also see trigger areas of gadgets (goals, traps, flingers, water, ...) as cyan hollow rectangles.
  

This is the first time I've seen the cyan rectangles and I must say it looks great! Consequently, I am wondering if it would be possible for names of the objects/traps to appear when you mouse over them while the splat ruler is activated, similar to how it is when you mouse over objects and traps in NL while CPM is activated.

Same thing with the rewind to previous skill assignment feature, though admittedly I was negligent on the feedback on testing it before it was in stable Lix. In all honesty, I do miss the way NL implemented it, though interestingly enough namida's implementation of it for Loap is the exact same as Lix's current implementation of the feature. So, I guess I could live with this, but I'm definitely used to NL's manner of the feature's implementation, only because in this way I don't have to press the hotkey to step back a frame too.

Also something I didn't bring up in the video, but I have noticed that only 1 frame back/forward and 10 second time skips are available. Unless it's already implemented and I haven't seen it in the game options, I'm wondering if there can be an option for players to customize the lengths of time skips, such as how NL also has hotkeys for 5 seconds back/forwards. I will say that the 5 second NL time skips I do find useful and do make frequent use of them.

Finally, please excuse my really bad German pronunciation! I learned "danke" in the Daffy Duck Commando cartoon from a while back  

This topic has been moved to In Development.

https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=6623.0

I'm very used to NL pausing the game whenever backwards skipping because I have the option enabled. When I tried out Loap just a few hours ago, I'm not used to the game not on pause when I rewinded. So, perhaps there can be a similar option for Loap to pause the game whenever the player time skips backwards

See attached level. Tested in NL 12.12.5. I discovered this while resolving a level in the current LDC #29. When bashing through a wall, when the Lemming reaches the end, he will transition to a walker. Not so with a slider. When a slider reaches the end of the wall, he stays in the bashing animation and takes another stroke even though he should had stopped because there's no more terrain in front of him, no matter the distance when you assign the basher. Ok, not too bad I guess, but still odd IMO.

Even weirder is when you assign the basher to a slider near the end of a downward slope. Because there's no terrain in front of him to trigger off the checks on whether to continue bashing, he shouldn't be bashing down the slope and instead should had stopped after taking one stroke just like when you assign a basher to any walker when there's no terrain in front of him. This only happens if you assign the basher skill to the slider near the bottom of the slope. If you assign it high enough on the slope, the slider will just take a stroke and stop as expected.

edit: Confirmed that this works on an even, flat surface as well, if you assign the slider to bash near the edge of the platform. It seems to only happen when the basher is assigned at a spot so that he does 1 or 2 full basher strokes before reaching the edge and sliding. Any further than that resulting in more than 1-2 full basher strokes and he'll stop after one stroke as expected due to no terrain in front of him. So, this means if the end of the wall is far enough from the edge of the platform he'll stop after reaching the end as expected instead of continuing to bash nothing in front of him. 

See this topic from the Bugs and Suggestions Board for NL. Not sure how difficult it would be for Lix, though.

https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=3174.msg62994#msg62994

Quite honestly, while playing Lix in the last few weeks, this is one of the features from NL I miss very much. I use it extensively in my LP's of NL content and I find it super helpful. Currently, I find it very annoying to hold down the rewind key to go back 1 second repeatedly. Of course, I know there's the replay tweaker in Lix, but as mentioned in the "tooltip cancelling replay topic," I don't ever use it, whether in Lix or NL, so that's on me