Suddenly got this idea after thinking about Prince of Persia, and how that tile set looks.

see this for reference: https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=6656.msg101906#msg101906

What I thought about was a Lemmings game which would play as a 2D physics game, but with graphics that gave an illusion to 3D environment like Prince of Persia.

How this could work(?):
The Lemmings would walk not on the top of the terrain (where they currently do if this kind of graphic set is used in NeoLemmix) but within the center of the "platform", top side of the blocks, that is; where you would expect if this was a true 3D game, where the character runs around in the game Prince of Persia. This is similar to how Lemmings Revolution works, except there the perspective is constantly changing. My idea would be like Prince of Persia, with a constant perspective. Like Revolution however, you could have left facing lemmings on one side (further to the right or left side of the platform) and right facing on the opposite, to help tell them apart.

and absolutely no blocks that *cover up view of the Lemmings* tsk tsk! [both Persia and Revolution suffer from this!]

Thoughts? Would this look better or worse artistically? [this is largely subjective I'm aware] Would this be better or worse for understanding what's going on and how the game works?

There's this level I made long ago that I'd like to see again but is not viewable at all on current versions. I have a version from 2014; it can view the level but something's missing, I don't remember what. Also it would be nice to view replays from that time as well. Anyone have older versions so I could see this? I didn't see old versions on github.

If I ever made my own Lemmings game..... this is how it would be!

Feel free to suggest your own ideas or disagree and argue or whatever!

1) Block based physics/non-pixel based.

This essentially means that the "pixels" or every place a lemming can be assigned a skill will be larger than the actual graphical pixels. The game's definition will be high so as to be beautiful but they'll be no more "pixel precision" in skill assignment (at least to the degree of classic L1). Though I don't think I want anything as extreme as Lemmings 3D or even L3, unsure I don't have much experience with L3.

2) Logic based puzzles instead of "trick" based puzzles

I consider there to be 2 (maybe more but I won't discuss them here) basic types of Lemming puzzles. A "trick" level is one that requires use of some type of features or mechanic of some skill or object or gameplay itself, that may or may not be intuitive. I don't mean to say that these levels are bad (some of my favorites are these type) but they have faults: Often, a level like this may appear very difficult at first, if one does not know the trick involved. However, once one is made aware of the trick it can becomes trivial. They often can be solved quickly and easily the second time around or quickly at first if one knows the trick from the start.
A pure logic level on the other hand relies on no such trick but rather simple reasoning; timing, order of skill assignments etc. These levels may not rely on any intuitive or non-intuitive knowledge of the mechanics. They may remain difficult even after solving as the number of steps required to remember may be large (or not they could be very easy as well).
Now, it's probably fair to say that most levels don't strictly fall into one or another category but are a mix of the two. And based on all the custom levels I've played over the years it seems logical puzzles are more difficult to create. In any case, I'd like to focus on the latter.

This means some core concepts of L1 will be changed such as; builders will not longer always turn around. If a builder hits an obstacle and could keep walking onward; they will. Almost everyone gets stumped at Postcard from Lemmingland during their first playthrough of that game. Why? I think it's fair to say because the fact that a builder always turns around when being stopped prematurely is not an intuitive design. Why should they turn around? It was an arbitrary design choice. It seems natural to us; only because we're used to it. Of course there are solutions that don't require that trick, but most people seem to resort to that one. At least one solution I know is more clever and also more difficult to see and arguably doesn't rely on any such tricks.


3) Ease of Use/intuitiveness

The sign of a good game imo is when the player starts it up, begins playing and feels like it makes sense from the very beginning. It may take a while or may not be easy for example the player may get stumped at something for a while but when they finally figure it out the reaction should be: "Oh! of course, why didn't I think of that! Or that's clever or elegant!" NOT: "how would I have ever known to do that???"

see #2; level design should not come down to obscure mechanics that don't seem to  propagate naturally from the rules.

Graphics are big thing for me here; there will be no "true physics mode" in my game because it won't be necessary. Terrain should always look like terrain, a button should look like a button, steel.. etc. Background images/colors should not be confused with foreground.

(to be continued......)

after maybe 10 actual years I finally got around to making one of these topics for myself

my own levelpack, mobilems;
first version released around 2013; updated 2022:
https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=4676.msg80123#msg80123


Clammings; levelpack compiling levels by Clam in Neolemmix; updated 2022:
https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=3642.msg68484#msg68484


InsaneSteve's World; levelpack compiling levels by InsaneSteve in Neolemmix; updated 2021
https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=4051.msg73545#msg73545


Revenge of the Lemmings; a massive community driven compiliation levelpack of many different authors:
https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=5963.msg95817#msg95817

found this type of puzzle in an old puzzle book; The rules are simple, though not ideal for a forum game but I'll just treat it like a discussion topic and if it catches on and someone else has a better way to format it with rules they may elaborate.

Try to make as many words as you can with the letters from the following word:

KNOWLEDGE


-you don't have to use all the letters for a word.
-you may only use the letters that appear in this word and only that many times. In other words you may use 2 E's because there are two Es in Knowledge, but not more. You can only use one K. etc.
-You may mix the letters up; they don't have to be in the order they appear in in Knowledge.
-two letter words are not accepted in this puzzle. Any other number of words is fine.
-Proper nouns are not allowed.
-Hyphenated words are fine.

I have other words for a future challenge, and of course anyone else may post challenges if they wish.

[I hope we can trust each other enough to avoid spoiling the fun and using a website to do all the work ]

Here is a list of level titles I compiled over years. Most of which I will likely never use, as if I ever make more levels it won't be this many... (over 300). Feel free to use them. Only catch is I reserve the right to use any of them as well since I thought of them first [many of these are references or taken from other games actually].

It simply says; "failed to download/// or / cannot read nxmo file etc. Attempted to divide by zero"

this error occurs for me a number of ways;

-When I try to 'update all styles'
-when I tried to download all styles at once
-when trying to load this level here: https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=5746.msg93489#msg93489
    the second level in question would get an error in the player saying some terrain pieces are missing; attempt to download missing styles? If clicked yes; this error appears. Some (most if not all, judging by the preview image, which seemed to work correctly??) of the terrain pieces load correctly.

-As in the attached error it seems to happen when there is a problem with nxmo (or nxmt) text file. Proxima confirmed that the issue with that particular file was a text error; a line was missing from the file. Maybe this occurred because of a recent update to how the text files should read?

When I have time (tomorrow hopefully) I will try to look at some of the files from L2 space and Raymanni's Toy set to see if there are similar text issues there as well, but I'm not sure if these two separate bugs I reported are related at all. It'll be really annoying if there's like one or a few text files out of the entire set that are an issue. Or is there some easy way to check for these type of issues?

EDIT by namida: Struck-out some of the text that is more to do with the bug reported in mobius's other topic, rather than this bug.