1)
LDC#31 is now included to the pack.

2)
replaced some levels(and replays thereof) with the most recent versions of themselves thanks to kaywhyn:
 - Super Starship -> May the Lems Be With You(LDC#2)
 - The Sweltering Warehouse -> Fahrenheit Frenzy(LDC#3)
 - Cogopolis -> Call In the Time Squad(LDC#6)

3)
fixed some broken replays due to the recent slider bug fix
 - Starstruck(LDC#24)
 - Violent Changes(LDC#24)
 - No Other Lemming's Gonna Do That!(LDC#25)
 - A Digital Switchover(LDC#25)
 - Empire Of Bones(LDC#26)

https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=3827.0

download Extra Official Levels and there's what you want! 

Okay so disallowing overwrite only applies to same-tick-different-lemming assignment. That's desirable. It's hard to imagine overwriting an assignment to a different lemming being beneficial. Even if it does in some cases, probably it's not worth the risk of accidently canceling another assignment.

Quote4. Additionally, when we erase the old assignment, we should also erase all future assignments to the same lemming. (We keep the future of other lemmings.)

  I'm 100% behind this

If disallowing overwrite is going to happen, this can be a good reason to introduce assign fail sound.
Not being able to assign skill with no indication whatsoever is a bit weird.

Slightly off-topic, but I've always thought lix's replay insert mode is superior to that of NeoLemmix. You can precisely manipulate each assignment, you can cancel each assignment with a single click and it's visually more intuitive in general. I think it's a good idea to discuss about possible changes to replay insert mode sometime in the future.

I don't mind adding "assign fail sound" as long as it's optional.

QuoteAnd, if we're disallowing skill overwrite in Replay Insert (we should!*)
*We might as well discuss this one here as well, it doesn't need its own topic.

It seems that you have a pretty strong opinion on disallowing skill overwrite replay in insert mode.

I'm aware of that behavior and I sometimes do overwrite skills with intention. The most recent example is; I was playing one of Strato's levels and I used a jumper to cancel a basher to make a little staircase. Later, I realized that I want to save that jumper for the last. So I overwrote the jumper assignment with a shimmier and luckily didn't have to do rest of the solution again.

These things happen rarely so I don't mind too much disallowing it if there's a good reason.

QuoteYes, it is. But I'm not doing that, I'm using it to justify implementing this feature!

I mean, with those reasonings you can justify implementing anything, even the worst things imaginable for example. That means the reasonings are not good enough by themselves. That's what I was talking about.

QuoteRest assured, I have no desire to step on anyone's toes; the goal is to add some much-requested features and/or obvious UI improvements (which would include auditory feedback, i.e. sounds) to make NeoLemmix even more Forum-friendly. We'll use RC/Experimental builds for feature testing, then (if a feature warrants it*), we'll poll to get a consensus.

*All I will say is that I don't think it's necessary to do this for every feature; the ones that need it will present themselves as development progresses. The important thing at the moment is to get started, get something released, see what the feeling is.

If some features are much requested or obvious UI improvements, I'm more than happy to see them in NLCE. We can maybe discuss about some details if needed and move on without polls as you said.

But the fundamental problem I want to point out is that a lot of the features in your list are not obvious improvements nor something much requested in the first place. I've been around forum and LF discord server for years now just like you and a lot of us. I've played a lot of levels made by many different NL players. And it's hard to believe that your list of CE features is a collection of community requests in general.(I'd be happy to be proved wrong) The list rather looks more like a WillLem's personal wish list to me. Maybe you branched some of the most controversial things out but still.

Things like assign fail and -/+sound for example, they are not obvious improvements, they are a matter of personal preference. And I can't see evidence of it being much requested.(Again, I'd be happy to be proved wrong)

That's why I suggested we can use RC build as a demo of the possible features and later ask people if they are happy about them being implemented to official version. I expect there'll be a lot of things people actually want to see but at the same time I'm pretty sure there'll be non-negligible number of features people aren't really into.

QuoteSome users might like the sounds; we want to reach those people as well as those who are vocal in opposing them. Otherwise, some users who might like (or even rely on) the expanded sound scheme might not realise it exists, and that's worse than someone being annoyed and then realising that they can turn the sounds off (an annoyed user is far more likely to go config-menu-diving!).

That's a good point.
There's necessity to reach potential users who want a certain feature but aren't vocal. With the same logic you can easily expect there're people who are in the exact opposite, right? So I would argue that interpreting silence as "go ahead" makes little sense.

QuoteUncontested features will go ahead as planned. If a feature gets enough (in this community, > 1) "no thanks" comments, I'll either remove the feature from the list or create a topic. We'll then discuss it, maybe try it out in an RC if appropriate, and then ultimately poll it to see what the consensus is. That seems to be the fairest way to proceed.

Yeah. That sounds fair enough. Thanks for clarifying it and your works on CE

QuoteReasons: (1) Give the sounds a try first, they might not be as annoying as you think, (2) we can always set them to off by default in a later update

Isn't it possible to justify implementing every feature with this logic?
: People don't want feature X, but let's implement it anyway because there's a chance people will change their mind. And if feature X sparks a backlash we can ditch in a later update.

I would suggest implementing it as you said(make them optional + switch them on by default) for RC. And poll them to see enough people support the ideas after the RC phase before implementing them to "official" CE.

NL is the most popular engine and most of the custom lemmings levels are being played with it. And considering that CE is practically going to be the "official" latest version of NeoLemmix, I don't think it's a good idea to casually implement and remove things just to see if people like them or not.
RC can handle that.

And
1)rejecting a feature that is being tested in the RC build
2)removing a feature that is already implemented to an official release
these two are very different and one is siginificantly harder than the other obviously.

And you remind me that I've always thought the swimmer sound is too loud.   I volume it down for my NL setup. I wonder if people are interested in making it quieter.

I'd love to see everything in the level select menu.

Animate Replay "R" icon: I don't want an animation on that one. I don't mind it being clickable though.

Add an "Assign Fail" sound, Add pitch-shifted sound to RR/SI -/+ buttons: please no. I can see them being annoying very often. If Assign Fail sound doesn't apply to queuing skill as ichotolot said, it would be better but still it's redundant.

Will there be a RC version? I'm having a hard time imagining what it will look like after some of these features are implemented.
e.g. deactivating helper overlays, mouseover hints to all skill panel buttons

I remember you said you are going to implement a feature only if more than certain % of the people agree and 75% should be the absolute minimum in a poll. Is that still valid? 

Lastest Update: January 31, 2025 - updated Lemmings Faithful, Lemmings Plus VII

edit by kaywhyn, Update 2: March 31, 2025 - added Festival Millas 2024 to the list

Wafflem's list from https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=1822.0 hasn't been updated for ages now. So I made an updated list of NL level packs. We can add one or two more categories without harming the aesthetic of the table. Check the attachment!   It automatically generates bbcode so you can update new packs whenever they are out and then copy&paste on the forum.


New to NeoLemmix? Here're some good starting point packs for you!

Level packs for newcomers

Name of the pack	Author	Difficulty	# of Levels	Date posted
NeoLemmix Introduction Pack	IchoTolot	Beginner	120	2020-11-17
Lemmings Redux	Lemmings Forum Community	Easy-Medium	160	2019-08-26

Here're all complete level packs for new formats NeoLemmix

List of all NeoLemmix Level packs (for NeoLemmix V12)

Name of the pack	Author	Difficulty	# of Levels	Date posted
LemRunner	92Dexter11/∫tan x dx	-	55	2021-04-09
Integral Lemmings	92Dexter11/∫tan x dx	-	30	2018-09-19
Lemmings Faithful	92Dexter11/∫tan x dx	-	40	2024-05-04
Renaissance Lemmings	92Dexter11/∫tan x dx	-	10	2019-05-23
All Hallows Eve	92Dexter11/∫tan x dx	-	18	2019-10-06
VampPrince Lemmings	AbirdVampPrince	-	130	2020-08-03
Lemmings Quartet	Apjjm	Medium-Hard	25	2021-10-11
Xmas Lemmings 2021	Armani	Easy-Very Hard	31	2021-12-24
Lemmings Uncharted	Armani	Medium-Extreme	100	2021-07-21
Lemmings Halloween 2023	Armani	Easy-Very Hard	30	2023-10-09
Lemmings Stampede	bulletride	-	50	2021-07-29
Clammings	Clam	-	75	2017-12-26
Reverse Lemmings	Colorful Arty	-	120	2020-03-17
SubLems	Colorful Arty	-	110	2020-06-07
ArtLems	Colorful Arty	-	58	2020-01-06
Lemmings Cranium	Crane	Medium-Extreme	150	2023-05-28
The Lemmings Have Grown Pack	David	Medium-Hard	156	2020-11-18
DavidLems	David	Medium-Extreme	70	2024-02-14
Deceit's Lemmings	deceit	-	55	2016-05-30
The Krow Files	DireKrow	-	5	2020-02-20
Franslems	Dodochacalo	-	40	2020-07-24
Cachapack&Dodopack	Dodochacalo	-	20	2020-07-24
DoveLems	Dodochacalo	Easy-Medium	125	2017-04-08
Godlems	Duuddu	Easy-Hard	15	2020-08-20
Lemmings Surges	Duuddu	Easy-Hard	15	2021-04-29
Unusual Lemmings	Duuddu	Medium-Hard	15	2023-03-10
Angry Lemmings	ericderkovits	Easy-Medium	120	2020-06-19
SEB Lems	Flopsy	Medium-Hard	160	2018-05-14
Modular Lems	Flopsy	Easy-Hard	10	2020-12-12
The Flopsy Disk Drive	Flopsy	Medium-Hard	53	2021-09-28
Gotta Go Fast	Flopsy	Medium-Very Hard	189	2021-09-16
MegSEGAbytes	Flopsy/Wafflem	Medium-Hard	40	2019-05-02
GeoffLems	Geoffster	-	120	2019-05-26
Gigalems	GigaLem	-	150	2020-09-18
Festival Millas 2018	GigaLem	-	32	2018-12-31
Festival Millas 2019	GigaLem	-	32	2020-01-01
Festival Millas 2020	GigaLem	-	55	2020-12-25
Festival Millas 2021	GigaLem	-	30	2021-12-17
Festival Millas 2022	GigaLem	-	36	2023-01-23
Festival Millas 2023	GigaLem	-	24	2024-01-31
Festival Millas 2024	GigaLem	-	57	2025-03-28
Freedom Planet 2 Graphic Set Sampler Pack	GigaLem	Hard	10	2021-02-09
Nuked Lemmings	grams88	-	20	2019-10-06
Ski Sloping Lemmings	grams88	-	76	2019-03-30
Gronkling's Animal Pack: #1 RODENTS	Gronkling	Easy-Hard	40	2020-12-11
Lemmings United	IchoTolot	Hard-Extreme	238	2019-02-18
Lemmings Reunion	IchoTolot	Medium-Hard	150	2015-06-28
Insane Steve's World	Insane Steve	-	150	2018-12-02
The Blizzard of Lemm	jkapp76	-	65	2023-05-19
JW's Level pack	JW	-	5	2020-09-20
Kieran's Abandoned Zone	kieranmillar	-	10	2023-05-06
Quest From Kieran	kieranmillar	Medium-Very Hard	60	2023-03-04
Classical Lemmings	LB999	-	20	2018-12-23
BadLems	LemFan	-	40	2021-04-22
Pack 1	LemFan	-	80	2021-04-26
Lemmingzones	LemFan	-	40	2021-05-16
Pack 2	LemFan	-	80	2021-07-10
Lems One	LemFan	-	75	2021-08-06
Pack 3	LemFan	-	11	2021-08-12
MegaLems	LemFan	-	120	2021-08-12
NumLems	LemFan	-	100	2021-08-29
LemFanLems I	LemFan	-	120	2021-09-05
ColdLems	LemFan	-	64	2021-09-14
Lemmings Obliterated	LemFan	-	125	2021-09-17
OddLems	LemFan	-	205	2023-07-05
Lemmingshades	LemFan	-	168	2023-09-24
Lemmings Rundown	LemFan	-	80	2024-04-14
Revenge of the Lemmings	Lemmings Forum Community	-	240	2022-03-20
Pre-LF Contest Compilation Pack	Lemmings Forum Community	-	42	2024-12-03
Lemmings Forum LDC Compilation Pack	Lemmings Forum Community	-	-	2023-01-24
Random level sharing topic	Lemmings Forum Community	-	-	2018-02-26
Lemmings Allsorts	mantha16	-	22	2020-09-01
Sammings	mantha16	Easy-Medium	32	2020-05-03
Lemmings All The Styles	mantha16	-	165	2021-05-14
Sammings 2	mantha16	-	56	2020-07-29
MazuLems	Martin Zurlinden	-	32	2019-05-03
MASTER-88's Amiga Classic 30 Levels	MASTER-88	Medium-Extreme	30	2023-06-16
MASTER-88 NEW Custom +3 Pack	MASTER-88	Easy-Extreme	150	2022-06-18
MASTER-88 NEW Custom +2 Pack	MASTER-88	Easy-Very hard	124	2022-04-30
MASTER-88 NEW Custom +1 Pack	MASTER-88	Easy-Hard	120	2021-11-28
MASTER-88 Lemmings World	MASTER-88	-	150	2024-06-05
PS3 Lemmings	Minim	-	45	2016-07-25
Lemmings Heritage	Mobiethian	-	40	2024-04-04
Lemmings New Worlds	Mobiethian	-	30	2024-06-07
Holiday Lemmings 2024	Mobiethian/Armani	-	50	2024-12-01
Mobilems	mobius	-	112	2020-03-05
Doomsday Lemmings	namida	-	21	2015-01-05
Lemmings Plus I	namida	Easy-Medium	150	2014-05-20
Lemmings Plus II	namida	Medium	100	2014-05-15
Lemmings Plus III	namida	Very Hard	64	2014-07-21
Lemmings Plus IV	namida	Hard	80	2015-06-03
Lemmings Plus V	namida	Very Hard	75	2016-08-24
Lemmings Plus VI	namida	Hard	80	2018-09-06
Lemmings Plus Omega	namida	Medium	120	2014-12-18
Lemmings Plus Omega II	namida	Extreme	70	2017-02-20
Lemmings Plus Alpha	namida	Extreme	45	2019-04-23
Holiday Lemmings Plus	namida	Easy-Medium	12	2014-10-15
Lemmings Plus VII	namida	-	23	2024-07-16
NepsterLems	Nepster	-	111	2016-02-14
Lemmings Destination	Nessy	Medium-Very Hard	111	2019-12-25
Lemmings Migration	Nessy	-	40	2017-08-22
Yippee! More Lemmings	NieSch	Easy-Hard	22	2019-09-10
Long Live Lemmings!	NieSch	Easy-Hard	30	2021-07-08
All You Need Is Lemmings	NieSch	Medium-Hard	22	2023-09-27
Casualemmings	nin10doadict	-	146	2020-03-21
Lemmings Squared	nin10doadict	-	101	2024-04-12
Lemmings Redux	Original levels	Easy-Medium	160	2019-08-26
PimoLems	Pieuw	Medium	145	2015-12-20
Fiat Lem!	Pieuw/Dodochacalo	-	80	2024-04-28
PJW's Twenty Lemmings Levels!	PJW	-	20	2020-02-10
TMChallenge	Proxima/mobius	-	10	2020-05-06
Ron Stard's Rodents	Ron_Stard	-	10	2020-05-23
Raylems	Ryemanni	-	30	2017-04-30
Lemmings Halloween 2017	Ryemanni	-	20	2017-10-24
Shmolems	Shmoley	-	20	2020-09-28
Xmas Lemmings 2024	Solus	-	25	2024-11-25
Assorted Gubbins	SQron188	-	30	2020-08-02
Lemmings World Tour	Strato Incendus	Medium	320	2019-10-18
Lemmings Open Air	Strato Incendus	-	120	2020-11-28
Lemmings: Hall of Fame	Strato Incendus	Medium-Hard	120	2024-11-01
Mikes Lemmings Version 2	Turrican	Medium-Hard	38	2023-03-27
Lemmings in Weirdyland	weirdybeardy	-	50	2023-01-22
Lemmings DD	WillLem	Easy-Medium	32	2020-12-19
DéjàLems	WillLem	Medium	32	2021-11-03
Inverse Lemmings	WillLem	Medium-Hard	40	2021-03-31
MiniLems	WillLem	Very Easy-Medium	64	2020-03-15
Lemmings Recurring	WillLem	Hard	36	2020-03-02
The Complete Reverse Lemmings	WillLem	-	220	2021-02-08
FestiveLems	WillLem	-	25	2021-12-01
God Save The Queen	WillLem	Medium	8	2022-11-13
Lemminas	WillLem	Medium	64	2020-03-09
Lemminas II	WillLem	Medium	50	2022-02-22
Tame Gone Wild!	WillLem	Medium	20	2020-01-28
Zemmings Complete	zanzindorf	-	45	2020-11-18

These packs are considered deprecate. You need very old and specific version of NL to play them.

List of all NeoLemmix Level packs (for NeoLemmix V10 or older)

Name of the pack	Author	# of Levels	Converted for NeoLemmix V12
Be Smart!	Alberto Fernandes	33	N
bsmith's level pack	bsmith	18	N
Lemmings Stampede	bulletride	50	Y
SubLems	Colorful Arty	130	Y
ArtLems Lost Art Pieces	Colorful Arty	12	N
Reverse Lemmings	Colorful Arty	120	Y
Holiday Lemmings '16	Crane	30	N
A Master Degree in Lemmings	Duuddu	39	N
An Unnamed Level Pack	Duuddu	20	N
A hard level	Duuddu	1	N
SEB Lems	Flopsy	175	Y
MegSEBytes	Flopsy/Wafflem	30	Y
GeoffLems	Geoffster	120	Y
Resident GigaLems	GigaLem	110	N
Resident GigaLems 0	GigaLem	49	N
Holiday GigaLems 2016	GigaLem	60	N
Holiday GigaLems 2015	GigaLem	61	N
GigaLems	GigaLem	150	Y
JW's Level pack	JW	5	Y
Lemmings Redux	Lemmings Forum Community	160	Y
Ghost level sharing topic	Lemmings Forum Community	-	N
Revenge of the Lemmings	Lemmings Forum Community	210	Y
MazuLems	Martin Zurlinden	30	Y
Mobilems I	mobius	80	Y
MobiLems II	mobius	139	Y
NeoLemmix Introduction Pack(old)	namida	63	N
Updates of Lemmix Packs to NeoLemmix	Nepster	-	N
Casualemmings	nin10doadict	100	Y
Lemmings Squared	nin10doadict	100	Y
Copycat Lemmings	Peter Spada	120	N
Snack Pack	SQron188	20	N
Pit Lems	Strato Incendus	100	N
Lemmicks - Lemmings with gimmicks!	Strato Incendus	170	N
Lemmings World Tour	Strato Incendus	320	Y
Paralems	Strato Incendus	150	N
Lemmingbytes	Wafflem	128	N
Yung's First Level Pack	Yung Gotenks	15	N

@Ichotolot
r1,2 - intended
r3 acceptable

Here're my intended solutions
https://youtu.be/1rQXkcOwL14

@ericderkovits
Your solution to Ley Lines is a backroute.
On the other hand, you found the intended solution to my rule1 level. well done!

Rule3 Ley Lines V1->V2
 -the glider skill is already assigned to a lemming now
 -added splat-pads

@kaywhyn
resolved! Unfortunately I can't seem to save 100% this time

@gronkling
Second try!

also resolved updated levels. They all look intended to me

All Your Skills Are Belong To Us!

First one should be a backroute. The second solution on the other hand I think is intended. Especially turning the swimmer lemmings around mid-air with a well-placed blocker seems like the main trick of this level!