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Offline MASTER-88

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BTW. New pack is good progress rightnow.  I am did over 100 levels rightnow. I think this pack will contains at least over 120 unique levels.

At this point this pack is much harder than my first one. Its mostly, because i am better with neolemmix mechanism and learn use tools better and also this pack will includes all new skills and many other new stuffs, buttons, splitters, zombies and etc...... My first pack contains only orginal lemmings levels and skills.

Spending good 6-12 hours per days building that pack. (started make few demo levels in year 2021)

New Pack will run through next difficulty 30 levels per each one:
1: Simple Cakewalk (Done 30 levels)
2: Easy Road Trip (Done 30 levels
3: Tricky Boardwalk (Done 30 Levels
4: Suffering Hellroad (Done 15 levels)
5: Millenium Mayhem (Im not are make any levels in this difficulty, so its probably not contains all 30 levels) But this will be definitely one super hard mode and contains at least some levels. Hope i can learn game even better and make even more harder levels.

Two first difficulty is mostly practice. First one learn you use new skills. 2nd one learns you make tricks with new skills and when you reach 3rd difficulty, your game will goes really hard one and there is not easy way out.

However im not never are find any drive with neutral lemmings? Those are like zombies but no kill you. So that only one i never used my pack. Zombies is available by many later levels.

« Last Edit: April 06, 2022, 08:30:50 PM by MASTER-88 »
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Okay new lemmings pack is done. I decide make only 120 levels as well like my first pack. I still keep my door open and might make few special levels if i got fresh ideas.

So its 4 difficult settings. 30 level per each difficult.
This pack will be a lot harder overall than my first one. Also less remake levels and more unique levels.

Next i´ll play it through and check out things (traps, metals, stuffs, etc.....) and later post it. I´ll create new topic when i´ll post my pack.

For sure its will be some serious fun try playthrough my harder levels. Last 30 levels are really hard ones. You really have to handled all your new skills. I liked my last level. Its might be some serious fun if you loved hard lemmings levels.:devil:

I´ll Be back later and with new topic.:P
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where can I find links to both of your level packs?
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I fixed his 1st pack to play in the latest neolemmix player as the pack needed to be packed correctly.

just install it to the levels folder

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Re: New Neolemmix pack is Ready 120 orginal lemmings levels (UPDATE 20.12.21)
« Reply #34 on: November 27, 2022, 01:54:53 PM »
Hello Master88,

I have solved the first two ranks of the pack. My replays are attached. Also, I have an LP of the pack: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLbp2m4KlFpJulieZsJxzkAFxdZUKvh8DN. Enjoy! :P

General Feedback

Master88 Custom Neolevels is a custom pack by Master88 and the user's first one. It has 4 ranks of 30 levels each, similar to L1's structure. As already mentioned earlier in the thread, some of the rank names are the exact same as that of Pit Lems, a level pack by Strato Incendus. At least with what I've seen up through near the end of the third rank, this pack uses only the classic 8 skills and hence is pretty much the most recent pack to use those skills.

Definitely the one thing I have pointed out repeatedly in my LP is there are way too many repeats! Now, I don't have anything against repeats myself, as I certainly consider those worthwhile if the solution in the repeat is different from the original. Otherwise, if the solution on the original is possible on the repeat, I don't consider it a worthwhile inclusion in the pack. Indeed, there have been plenty such repeats where I can use the exact same solution on both the original and some of the later appearances of the same level. Even more, it seems that every level appears at least 3 or more times! The repeats even happen as early as the first rank. IMO it would had been far better if the repeats were way more spaced out from their original level's appearance rather than just being about after every level or so.

LOL Rank Feedback

Can be considered the Fun rank equivalent of L1, these levels are easy in general, with many of the levels providing a lot of skills such that you're pretty much free to carve any solution you want. The pack starts off very similar to L1, except LOL 1 is a floater tutorial rather than a digger tutorial, but LOL 1 and Fun 1 are similar in that they both give 10 lemmings but you only need to save 1. After that, there's a pretty good assortment of diversity and variety in the skillsets and levels. The LOL rank would probably even be considered easier than the Fun rank overall in many ways, although there's still a few odd levels that can probably be considered a bit difficult for the rank, especially for less experienced players. The ones that come to my mind here are LOL 15 - Twin in Dark Palace and its repeats LOL 22 - Twins back in Dark Palace and LOL 30 - Return back to Dark Palace, LOL 25 - The Cage 2, LOL 26 - Web road, and LOL 29 - All is compression.

My favorites of the rank: LOL 17 - Ironplate part two and LOL 25.


YOLO Rank Feedback

Levels overall are slightly harder in this rank, and I would even say that some go a bit beyond Tricky difficulty and are Taxing difficulty here, especially these in the second half! However, just like the previous rank, so many repeats here which start right away at YOLO 1! Again, repeats aren't bad IMO, they're just really overdone here and are way too close to one another and not spaced out enough from their original appearances.

Levels that I consider hard for casual players: YOLO 2 - Solitary cell lemmings, YOLO 3 - Dinosaurus cementry, YOLO 4 - 4th Saga YOLO, YOLO 7 - All is compression part two, YOLO 8 - Twins last visit in Dark Palace (I consider this the hardest of the rank, maybe it's even early Taxing difficulty), YOLO 10 - Star road, YOLO 15 - The Cage 3 (can probably even be considered Taxing difficulty here), YOLO 18 - Ironplate part 3 (two sets of OWAs pointing in different directions can be confusing to new players, along with a very restricted skillset),  YOLO 19 - Teleporting from home, YOLO 20 - 6 lemming come to Dark palace, YOLO 23 - Three lemming acrobating show, YOLO 24 - Lets turn around, YOLO 26 - Safety drop part two (new players might especially be confused about how they can save enough due to the added trap that wasn't there in previous versions of the level), YOLO 27 - Quick visit in Dark palace (just like YOLO 8, except only 1 lemming and a very tight time limit of 22 seconds), and YOLO 29 - Just a minute falling.

My favorites of the rank: YOLO 14 - Hello John We got New Lemming (just remove the assign 40 floaters akin to Bitter Lemming from L1 part by making the hatches preassigned floater ones instead and this is a great level!), YOLO 16 - You need a cunning plan (ironically the solution reminds me more of "Postcard from Lemmingland" :laugh:), YOLO 18, YOLO 24 (again without the several repeated floater assignments and it's a great level), and YOLO 27.


Will continue with more of the pack when I'm able to! Currently near the end of the OMG rank, and it's very similar to the YOLO rank in that there was no unique level until after the first 11 levels, but I'm finding these repeats are at least way more interesting than the earlier appearances of those levels in the pack! :thumbsup: Also, near the end of the rank it seems to all be unique levels and so at least the pack is going in a more interesting direction. Since the pack now seems very interesting and quite promising, I'm looking forward to the rest of the OMG rank and the final rank after that! ;)     
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Re: New Neolemmix pack is Ready 120 orginal lemmings levels (UPDATE 20.12.21)
« Reply #35 on: November 28, 2022, 05:02:57 AM »
Completed LOL and YOLO so far, here are my replays. Some feedback points:

:lemming: These are great fun, easy levels perfect for casual playing. They suit my attack-the-level playing style perfectly, so I enjoyed these :thumbsup:

:lemming: A good amount of variation in the different types of levels (any way you like, limited skillset, only one skill type, different RRs, varied lem counts, etc.)

:lemming: Level design is generally in keeping with L1-style levels, especially in the skillsets and the types of solutions required to solve the levels, providing a decent amount of nostalgia factor for those who value it.

:lemming: Minimalistic level layouts which are easy on the eyes and clearly laid out.

This is a great first offering and I look forward to getting into the rest of the pack at some point. I was compelled enough to play through the whole of the first 60 levels in one sitting, they're very enjoyable and I had fun finding the most optimal solutions for the levels. Good work! :thumbsup:
« Last Edit: November 28, 2022, 06:29:44 AM by WillLem »

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Re: New Neolemmix pack is Ready 120 orginal lemmings levels (UPDATE 20.12.21)
« Reply #36 on: November 28, 2022, 08:40:13 AM »
OMG rank solved, and so I'm back with more replays and feedback ;)

OMG Rank Feedback

Even though a lot of the levels are repeats and we don't encounter the first unique level of the rank until level 12, I must say this time the repeats are way more interesting and really great challenges! :thumbsup: Then I think starting at level 21, the rest of the rank are unique levels until the rank finisher, which is a repeat. Even the unique levels themselves are interesting and challenging, and so regardless of whether it's a repeat or unique the levels definitely belong in this difficulty. However, just like the previous rank, some of these could even fit the Mayhem difficulty. So, things are definitely getting quite difficult starting in this rank!

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I'm definitely looking forward to the rest of the WTF rank now, as the OMG rank has been the most interesting despite all the repeats! :thumbsup: At least this time they were challenging in some way and have far more interesting solutions very different from the original and maybe the first repeat or so. Once again, I'm continuing to enjoy the pack a lot, even more after the OMG rank.

@WillLem - Nice, seems coincidental that we started playing the pack around the same time. Maybe my LP got you to play the pack? :laugh: Just one thing I will add to your post is that this is a classic 8 skills pack, which is sure to be to pretty much everyone's liking here, particularly those who are Superlemmini fans. At least that has been true for the 95 levels of the pack I have played, and so I'm sure this won't be changing with any of the remaining levels not sticking to the classic 8 skills. There are levels that use NL objects though, in particular there are a few levels that use teleporters.

Good luck with the rest of the pack. You're more than welcome to reference my replays/LP for hints if you need any on levels you might get stuck on, but I doubt that won't be necessary, as I have the utmost confidence that you can handle these levels just fine, given that you managed the first two ranks without problems! :)
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Re: New Neolemmix pack is Ready 120 orginal lemmings levels (UPDATE 20.12.21)
« Reply #37 on: November 29, 2022, 03:42:15 AM »
Even though a lot of the levels are repeats and we don't encounter the first unique level of the rank until level 12, I must say this time the repeats are way more interesting and really great challenges! :thumbsup:

Yeah, the pack does have a lot of repeat levels. In fairness though, I think in most cases talismans wouldn't be suitable, since there are significant variations in things like skillset and lem counts between most of the repeats, from what I've seen. Some of them could be given talismans though, for sure.

Ultimately, though, I'm guessing Master88 likes the idea of making an L1-style pack with repeats, and it certainly delivers as far as that's concerned! :lemcat:

@WillLem - Nice, seems coincidental that we started playing the pack around the same time. Maybe my LP got you to play the pack? :laugh:

I didn't realise you'd done an LP for this, tbh! I'll give it a look after I've had a go myself, since this pack seems within my difficulty level so far.

Good luck with the rest of the pack. You're more than welcome to reference my replays/LP for hints if you need any on levels you might get stuck on, but I doubt that won't be necessary, as I have the utmost confidence that you can handle these levels just fine, given that you managed the first two ranks without problems! :)

Thanks for this, I'll keep going with it and try not to use hints as much as possible ;P

I'm usually not one to be too proud to seek help where needed, but I'm actually still stuck on Lemmings Plus III because I really want to be able to do the whole of that without hints. There are a few levels which have just stopped my progress. I'll come back to them at some point.

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Re: New Neolemmix pack is Ready 120 orginal lemmings levels (UPDATE 20.12.21)
« Reply #38 on: November 30, 2022, 10:10:22 AM »
WTF rank completed and hence I have solved all of the pack. My entire replay collection is attached.

WTF Rand Feedback

Being the final rank of the pack, the hardest levels that Master88 made are supposedly all here. Just like all the previous ranks, there are a lot of repeats here and only a small handful of unique levels. So, I think the OMG rank actually has the highest amount of unique levels and IMO the best rank of the pack, though there were still some true gems in the WTF rank too. Some weren't to my liking because some being too fiddly or way too much rapid fire skill assignments in a very short amount of time that the level practically has to be done while paused, which IMO disrupts the natural flow of gameplay. Not to mention that some of the ideas have been very overdone to death by this point in my Lemmings solving career, such as basher/digger and basher staircases, though the level which you do the latter requires it so many times that honestly it wasn't that much fun for me to play, though there was the satisfaction of being very quick with it to beat the very tight time limit.

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Now that I've gotten through the entire pack, my assessment of the classified difficulty of Easy-Hard still stands. Some levels are much harder than the surrounding ones in each of the ranks, but for the most part the difficulty averages out to be Hard on the high end. In any case, I enjoyed the pack, especially once I got into the OMG rank. Before that point, the pack wasn't much trouble but it's still no pushover. Thank you for this pack that uses only the classic 8 skills, and I will look forward to trying your other two level packs at some point :thumbsup: Hope you're enjoying my LP as well! ;)
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