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Re: Minimum skills with maximum % Challenge
« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2009, 04:38:38 pm »
I seriously hope that was a joke post, minimac...

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Re: Minimum skills with maximum % Challenge
« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2009, 04:45:19 pm »
Well, actually that was the first time I solved Tricky 12. Try and work it out.

Otherwise, I did Xmas 92 levels 1 and 2 with just 1 skill. No replays, because it's obvious enough.
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Re: Minimum skills with maximum % Challenge
« Reply #17 on: August 29, 2009, 05:15:10 pm »
Tricky 9: 12 for the left route, 11 for the right route. (Obviously, the right route one is therefore the one that's been added to the table.) I don't think a replay is nessecary for either.

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Re: Minimum skills with maximum % Challenge
« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2009, 05:26:51 pm »
Tricky 8 and Taxing 23: 18 skills is my best, might be improvable to 17.

I've done the rest of Tricky as well as I can, some are probably improvable. The exception is Tricky 23 - I know 98% is possible, but doing so is well out of my abilities, so I'll leave this one up to the experts.

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Re: Minimum skills with maximum % Challenge
« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2009, 11:15:09 pm »
Tricky 9: 12 for the left route, 11 for the right route. (Obviously, the right route one is therefore the one that's been added to the table.) I don't think a replay is nessecary for either.

In the regular least-skills thread, I solved Mayhem 6 with 9 skills. This is a 100% level, and the same solution works for Tricky 9. I posted the replay before, but it was in a zip with half a dozen others, so here it is by itself.

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Re: Minimum skills with maximum % Challenge
« Reply #20 on: August 30, 2009, 11:27:15 am »
I had similar ideas on both, but couldn't get them to work on either.

The Fun 27/Taxing 22 one, on the other hand, is plain impressive.

Thanks, but you updated your table wrong on all four results (Fun 21, 23, 27, Taxing 22).

The exception is Tricky 23 - I know 98% is possible, but doing so is well out of my abilities, so I'll leave this one up to the experts.

I've posted a replay for that one ages ago at the Lemmings Files Archive.  It uses 24 skills (everything but 1 climber), and having tried a few things just now, I'm reasonably sure you can't get by with less.

Similarly, on the Archive I posted some time ago a 16-skills 100% solution for Taxing 23 (and therefore Tricky 8), and having tried a few things just now, so far it appears you can't do better.

LemSteven posted on the challenge thread that Fun 22 100% can be done with 7 skills.  I haven't confirmed this myself yet, only to note that it's not as obvious as it sounds.

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Re: Minimum skills with maximum % Challenge
« Reply #21 on: August 30, 2009, 11:48:21 am »
By the way, you'll notice that your table has 13 for Tricky 7 but 12 for Taxing 11.  There's no reason why the solution for Taxing 11 won't work for Tricky 7 also.

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Re: Minimum skills with maximum % Challenge
« Reply #22 on: August 30, 2009, 12:26:42 pm »
Similarly, on the Archive I posted some time ago a 16-skills 100% solution for Taxing 23 (and therefore Tricky 8 ), and having tried a few things just now, so far it appears you can't do better.

I lied.  I finally got it to work with 15-skills.  Turns out my earlier failure at this was due to the placement of the bridge by the 3rd lemming, which had inadvertently delayed the 4th lemming by one frame, enough to make a critical difference for the 5th lemming.

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Re: Minimum skills with maximum % Challenge
« Reply #23 on: August 30, 2009, 03:47:40 pm »
I've beaten Fun 22 in 7 skills, though I wouldn't have come up with this idea if LemSteven didn't post that challenge.

I've also done Tricky 11 in 12 skills and Taxing 24 in 6 skills.
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Re: Minimum skills with maximum % Challenge
« Reply #24 on: August 30, 2009, 09:16:08 pm »
I've also done Tricky 11 in 12 skills

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Re: Minimum skills with maximum % Challenge
« Reply #25 on: August 30, 2009, 09:30:07 pm »
Does that mean that you solved Tricky 11 with 11 skills?
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Re: Minimum skills with maximum % Challenge
« Reply #26 on: August 30, 2009, 09:42:11 pm »
If there's one thing i'm not, it's a master of the release rate. Hang on, i'll try again.

[Edit] Reduced to 11 skills. Thanks, Clam Spammer. :)
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Re: Minimum skills with maximum % Challenge
« Reply #27 on: August 30, 2009, 09:51:32 pm »
I did Xmas 92 levels 1 and 2 with just 1 skill. No replays, because it's obvious enough.

So why don't you put them in?
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Re: Minimum skills with maximum % Challenge
« Reply #28 on: August 31, 2009, 02:57:44 am »
Here's Tricky 22 100% at 11 skills.

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Re: Minimum skills with maximum % Challenge
« Reply #29 on: August 31, 2009, 04:11:04 am »
Maybe he just wanted to point them out?