For those who don't know what I'm talking about, you can simply ignore this post.

For the others - especially given that NL no longer requires downloading the styles seperately from the game itself, there is little purpose to the installer anymore. Yes, it's convenient for packs, but this relies on me manually updating links, which in turn generally relied on people informing me when the links change - which very few people actually bothered to do (or perhaps, did not realise that eg. if you replace an attachment on a post, the new file has a new link).

I have unstickied the installer a long time ago now, and to be honest I'm not sure how people are still finding it. I have still been receiving occasional requests to add / update packs in it, so I'm making this post to make two things clear to everyone - firstly, that said list is no longer being updated, and secondly, that the installer may stop working altogether at any time.

To download NeoLemmix itself, download the ZIP and extract. The editor is a single EXE file that should go in the same folder as NeoLemmix. You can use the in-game style manager for any styles you want (or else, the all-styles ZIP is still available for those who prefer it - though do keep in mind it may be slightly out-of-date compared to the style manager, usually only by a couple of weeks at most). As for packs, that does have to be done manually - but if creators are following recommendations, the ZIP file will also be set up so you can extract it directly to your NL base directory.

I might look at reviving the installer in some form once NL reaches a final version, or at least very close to it - likely without the pack downloading feature for the most part, though possibly with an option as to whether or not Redux and/or Intro Pack are downloaded. (I could also include Lemmings Plus without the technical issues, but I feel that would be giving special status to my own packs without good reason, whereas Redux and Intro can be justified as special cases.)

(Yes, it does pick up the newer versions of NL itself - this is because when it connects to the server to check what downloads are available, the server is configured to always give it the newest NL version, not a specific exact version.)

This proposal is considered a strong contender.

This proposal is for an object which, when a lemming enters the trigger area of, the lemming loses one/all of their permanent skills.

Considerations:
- Should it be simply a "removes all permanent skills" object, or should it instead be that each individual instance removes one particular skill? (So for example, you could place two removers in a level, and set it so that one removes climbers while the other removes swimmers.)
- Should they be single-use or infinite-use?
- If infinite-use, should they be one-at-a-time (like traps) or constant (like fire / water / exits)?

Other notes:
- Adders / state changers (ie: to/from Zombie and Neutral) exist as seperate suggestions and are not part of this one.

This proposal is for objects that turn a regular lemming into a neutral lemming (or vice versa). This could be single-shot or infinite-use.

There is also the possibility of a "normal to zombie" equivalent, though only for the single-shot version - an infinite version can in most cases be emulated with blocker-on-steel or contained-in-steel preplaced zombie lemmings.

I might split this one into seperate topics later, but for now I think a combined topic is fine.

Considerations:
- Should they be single-use or infinite-use?
- If infinite-use, should they be one-at-a-time (like traps) or constant (like fire / water / exits)?

Ruled out variations:
- Zombie equivalents, except "single shot normal-to-zombie". "Zombie to normal", whether single-shot or infinite, introduces too much complexity when dealing with certain other aspects. "Infinite normal to zombie" is ruled out for the reasons described above.

Other notes:
- Objects that give or remove permanent skills exist as seperate suggestions and are not part of this one.

This proposal is for an object which, when a lemming enters the trigger area of, the lemming gains one (or more?) permanent skills.

Considerations:
- Should a single object be able to grant multiple skills? (How often do situations arise where simply placing two objects - one for each skill - next to each other, wouldn't be suitable?)
- Should they be single-use or infinite-use?
- If infinite-use, should they be one-at-a-time (like traps) or constant (like fire / water / exits)?
- What should occur when a Floater encounters a Glider object, or vice versa? Keep the existing skill, or lose it and gain the new one?

Other notes:
- Removers / state changers (ie: to/from Zombie and Neutral) exist as seperate suggestions and are not part of this one.

Please post in this topic any time you make an update to a style, or release a new style, that you would like added / updated in NeoLemmix's style manager. This may include re-posting if you believe an update request was overlooked. Please do not post in this topic for ANY other reason - it WILL be deleted.

Make sure to include a link (or attachment) to download the newest version of the style. Always make a new post rather than editing your existing one, even if you think we haven't seen it yet.

This topic is here because the whole "who do I PM about it?" question has gotten too messy in the past with changes to who it actually is - having a topic removes the need for that. This topic should not be used for end-users to find style downloads - it is for administrative purposes.

It's finally here! As most of you will know, the main drawcard of this update is that it brings the final two new skills to the table - the Slider, who can slide down walls / off overhangs, and the Laserer, who destroys terrain at range with a laser beam.

There's a few smaller but nice features too for content designers - we now have a dedicated object type for only-on-terrain decorations, the triggered animation objects are back (now also with a single-use variant - and for those of you who don't like these, hiding backgrounds will also hide these), and it's now possible for a level to specify that the screen start position should be determined automatically. A few more small but nice tweaks too, and as (almost) always some bugfixes; check the changelog for the full list.



Download: https://www.neolemmix.com/download.php?id=513 (permalink to V12.12.0)
Styles: https://www.neolemmix.com/download.php?program=52 (link will always download latest styles download)
Editor: https://www.neolemmix.com/download.php?id=512 (permalink to V1.40)

You no longer need to download the styles; this is just provided for if you want to quickly grab all of them in one go. You can instead download styles as needed in-game, which is the recommended way to obtain styles and may be more up-to-date than the all styles ZIP.

If you are upgrading from V12.11.X or earlier, please set up in a new folder (you can copy over your Levels and Settings folders). If you are upgrading from V12.12.0-RC builds, you can just extract over the top of it.

To reproduce: Play attached level. Assign diggers such that they take away the full 9 pixels at the edge. Notice the 3rd Slider from the left does not slide at all. (The other three display varying-length finite variations of the Slider-Digger infinite loop.)

On the surface, this seems awkward. However, it actually makes sense to some extent if viewed in the context of "what would happen if a more significant amount of terrain were removed, instead of just 1 pixel" - it's just that doing this with a digger is a really, really precise setup compared to, say, a bomber. Although even in these other cases, the destruction would have to occur exactly as the lemming walks off the edge - but there's no logical other behavior if, say, a bomber takes out a huge chunk at that exact time; the digger is a weird case where you could argue there's a logical behavior.

My preference overall is to leave this as-is, but I feel it does need to be put up for discussion at least. An alternative could be to have a 1px tolerance, but if more than 1px of terrain has been removed, this behavior continues - however, that's an edge case that's pretty much specific to the digger (and a few pixel-precise setups with other skills), so I'm not sure how justifiable it is. This is why I prefer the "do nothing" approach personally.