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Hello WillLem,

I have also played and finished the pack.

I went for all the Talisman Solutions.

A few of the time limit ones gave me the most problem such as the last level. Squeezed the solution in by like 3 seconds.

Note: In the rank Crystal Planet, the level Stephanie's Problem (level 8) it says there are a silver and gold Talisman but both Medalians are Gold.

Anyways my replays for the Talismans are attached.

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Big thanks to Eric and Swerdis for the recent replays and for LPing the pack in its entirety! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Next step is to review all of the replays provided so far, make a couple of fixes for version 1.02 and add a records table to this postl I'll hopefully get some time to do this at the weekend :lemcat:

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Lemminas II Records

* = indicates that this record is held by more than one player.

These records are correct as of the release of Lemminas II V1.02. If you wish to submit a record, please make sure you have this version - you can download it here.

Rank#LevelFastest Time (Player)Most Saved (Player)Fewest Total Skills (Player)
Teal Kingdom1Escape From Purple Kingdom2:29.94 (Proxima)16/16 (*)20 (Proxima)
Teal Kingdom2Thunder-Lemminas Are Go!0:35.53 (Proxima)65/50 (*)10 (Proxima)
Teal Kingdom3tHe PoPpiNg BaThS0:56.06 (WillLem)7/10 (*)26 (*)
Teal Kingdom4Day Of The Droppers1:24.18 (WillLem)50/50 (*)15 (*)
Teal Kingdom5Oh No! It's The 5TH DIMENSION!!!0:38.47 (Proxima)5/5 (*)18 (Proxima)
Teal Kingdom6Halfway Up The Stairs0:36.00 (WillLem)16/16 (*)9 (WillLem)
Teal Kingdom7Honey, I Shrunk The Lemminas3:29.06 (WillLem)60/60 (*)29 (Swerdis)
Teal Kingdom8CPU Test #80:25.29 (WillLem)8/8 (*)8 (*)
Teal Kingdom9LeMmina ToMato KetchUp fAcilitY0:36.94 (WillLem)30/30 (*)6 (Mantha16)
Teal Kingdom10No Problemmina!1:50.59 (Armani)30/30 (*)121 (ericderkovits)

Rank#LevelFastest Time (Player)Most Saved (Player)Fewest Total Skills (Player)
Honey Land1Honey And Lemminas1:23.47 (Swerdis)50/50 (*)13 (Swerdis)
Honey Land2Beemusing!1:02.06 (ericderkovits)60/50 (*)4 (Mantha16)
Honey Land3The Pollination Station2:22.18 (Apjjm)20/20 (*)18 (*)
Honey Land4LeMmiNa PoPCoRn fAcToRy1:44.71 (Mantha16)33/50 (Apjjm)32 (Mantha16)
Honey Land5Hive Alive0:29.29 (WillLem)6/6 (*)3 (WillLem)
Honey Land6Just Beecause You Can...1:56.59 (WillLem)36/40 (*)21 (*)
Honey Land7Button Basher3:04.65 (WillLem)16/16 (*)32 (Swerdis)
Honey Land8Perplexagons1:16.12 (Swerdis)50/50 (*)7 (Swerdis)
Honey Land9Direct Drip1:14.41 (WillLem)10/10 (*)18 (Swerdis)
Honey Land10Flight Of The Bumblemmina1:25.65 (*)1/1 (*)9 (*)

Rank#LevelFastest Time (Player)Most Saved (Player)Fewest Total Skills (Player)
Slush World1Skill Shadows Are For Wimps1:10.88 (Swerdis)36/40 (*)12 (*)
Slush World2Dangerzone II1:01.35 (WillLem)18/20 (*)25 (ericderkovits)
Slush World3Flow Control 30000:40.41 (WillLem)44/50 (WillLem)4 (*)
Slush World4BRIDE OF CHUCKY1:44.24 (WillLem)29/30 (*)19 (Swerdis)
Slush World5PoPPaLiciOuS!1:42.00 (WillLem)9/16 (*)16 (*)
Slush World6Lemminas im Kraftwerk2:17.47 (Apjjm)8/8 (*)69 (WillLem)
Slush World7Get Down From There!0:21.06 (*)2/2 (*)4 (*)
Slush World8The Shaft1:19.76 (Apjjm)92/100 (*)13 (*)
Slush World9What Are You Waiting For?0:58.53 (Apjjm)4/4 (*)32 (ericderkovits)
Slush World10Teenage Mutant Ninja Lemminas0:58.71 (WillLem)4/4 (*)19 (WillLem)

Rank#LevelFastest Time (Player)Most Saved (Player)Fewest Total Skills (Player)
Crystal Planet1Lemminas: The Platform Game3:57.53 (WillLem)1/1 (*)30 (ericderkovits)
Crystal Planet2Copycats0:45.82 (WillLem)7/1 (*)11 (WillLem)
Crystal Planet3E = Lem C Squared0:26.71 (*)1/2 (*)6 (*)
Crystal Planet4The Builderfest1:06.82 (ericderkovits)20/20 (*)6 (*)
Crystal Planet5Lemmina Colada1:25.35 (ericderkovits)3/3 (*)20 (*)
Crystal Planet6DiReCt PoP!!!1:27.06 (WillLem)15/15 (*)6 (*)
Crystal Planet7The Needle0:29.12 (*)15/14 (*)5 (*)
Crystal Planet8Stephanie's Problem3:36.24 (WillLem)30/30 (*)34 (WillLem)
Crystal Planet9THE UNEXPECTED SPIDER!!!!!1:24.29 (WillLem)30/30 (*)12 (*)
Crystal Planet10The Midnight Swimmers1:03.47 (WillLem)40/40 (*)10 (ericderkovits)

Rank#LevelFastest Time (Player)Most Saved (Player)Fewest Total Skills (Player)
Classic Dimension1The Great Escape1:42.06 (Apjjm)10/10 (*)7 (ericderkovits)
Classic Dimension2The Unnecessarily Short Pillar2:41.47 (WillLem)101/100 (*)37 (Swerdis)
Classic Dimension3Amazeballs5:17.47 (*)100/100 (*)37 (WillLem)
Classic Dimension4Deja Lemminas2:13.18 (WillLem)101/100 (*)10 (*)
Classic Dimension5THE GIANT MARBLE EXIT!!!1:54.71 (ericderkovits)88/88 (*)43 (Swerdis)
Classic Dimension6Oops...1:22.24 (WillLem)36/40 (*)14 (WillLem)
Classic Dimension7aLL fOr OnE!0:54.24 (ericderkovits)1/8 (*)Fewest Total Skills (*)
Classic Dimension8Tubular Lemminas3:34.18 (WillLem)80/80 (*)99 (WillLem)
Classic Dimension9Where Lemminas Dare!1:28.71 (Apjjm)6/5 (*)28 (ericderkovits)
Classic Dimension10Lemminadelica5:35.35 (WillLem)80/80 (*)103 (Swerdis)


Other records/challenges for Lemminas II:

Skills You Can't Live Without - to be added
Builders & Bashers Only - to be added
« Last Edit: April 28, 2022, 12:26:06 PM by WillLem »

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Records for Teal Kingdom are up!

I reckon I'll try to reclaim some of those time records ;P Meanwhile, the skills are likely to be further reduce-able in some of these as well...
« Last Edit: March 14, 2022, 01:07:49 AM by WillLem »

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Teal Kingdom 4 Day Of The Droppers in 1:30.76 :lemcat:

I've already thought of a way to optimise it further, but I'm tired. Sleep now, I'll do this tomorrow :sleep:

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Beat a few records.
« Last Edit: March 14, 2022, 04:26:22 AM by Proxima »

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Thanks, Proxima. I've added these to the table :thumbsup:

Not without reclaiming my time record for level 4 first, though :lemcat: Plus, new time records for levels 3, 6 and 9 8-)

I've also now added records for the rest of the pack, so the table is complete! Predictably, there are some backroutes in there which will need to be fixed, but only a small handful. I'll get an update out for these soon.

See the full records table here.
« Last Edit: March 14, 2022, 03:57:23 PM by WillLem »

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Crystal: A surprisingly easy rank. There was no level here I really struggled with.

On closer inspection of your LP and replays, I can see that you've actually backrouted no less than 3 of these levels! No wonder you found them so easy :crylaugh:

I've now updated the pack with levels 4, 5 and 9 replaced. If you fancy having another go at solving them, it would be great to see your solutions! Slush 10 has also been replaced; this level was far too difficult to backroute-proof, so I've changed it up quite a bit.

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Version 1.02 Update

Changelog:

:lemming: Level 3-10 Teenage Mutant Ninja Lemminas has been significantly changed and is now a totally new level - updated level and replay are both included
:lemming: Levels 4-4 The Builderfest, 4-5 Lemmina Colada and 4-9 THE UNEXPECTED SPIDER!!!!! have all had backroute fixes, and 4-4 has a new talisman - updated levels and replays are all included
:lemming: Level 4-8 Stephanie's Problem has had an error fixed - the Silver talisman was previously set to Gold instead; this has now been corrected
:lemming: willlem_lemminas_slushworld now has a new inverted water object
:lemming: info.nxmi updated with version number 1.02

Please download Lemminas II V1.02 to ensure you have the latest version of the pack. Thanks!
« Last Edit: March 15, 2022, 12:38:37 AM by WillLem »

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Yeah, I will check these new versions out. Don't know if I'm gonna upload them, but I will send you my solutions.

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Here are my Talisman Solutions for the 4 Levels that changed (V1.02)

Definiely harder and much better levels now.

Also really like the new colored Lemminas. My favorite ones are the burgundy shirted ones.
« Last Edit: March 15, 2022, 04:43:12 PM by ericderkovits »

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I just wanted to chime in and say I'm loving this pack! Great job!
...Jeremy Kapp

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Yeah, I will check these new versions out. Don't know if I'm gonna upload them, but I will send you my solutions.

Brillo, thanks :thumbsup:

If you do get a chance to upload though, that would be awesome :lemcat:

Here are my Talisman Solutions for the 4 Levels that changed (V1.02)

Definiely harder and much better levels now.

Also really like the new colored Lemminas. My favorite ones are the burgundy shirted ones.

Thanks Eric! I'm glad you enjoyed the pack. I also really like the Slush World lemminas; I was determined to get this colour scheme into the pack somehow, red and blue is my favourite colour juxtaposition and it's kind of a nod to Sonic and Mario.

Well done on solving the new versions of the levels. I like your method for turning the lems at the beginning of Lemmina Colada, very inventive ;) Some of your replays have also set new records - I've added these to the records table :lemcat:

I just wanted to chime in and say I'm loving this pack! Great job!

Thanks Jeremy, glad to know you're enjoying it :lemcat:

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An absolutely brilliant 1:50.59 on Teal Kingdom 10 No Problemmina! by Armani :lemcat:

This solution is great fun to watch, and I might - might - have a go at improving it at some point ;)

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Re: [NeoLemmix] Lemminas II (50 Levels) [Difficulty: Medium]
« Reply #29 on: April 16, 2023, 06:39:33 AM »
Hi WillLem,

I have completed the first 3 ranks of the pack. Replays attached and some feedback ;) Also, link to my LP: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLbp2m4KlFpJsbEYMykehGC7HH0QWMwCIh. Enjoy! :P

General Feedback

Lemminas II is the sequel to WillLem's flagship pack Lemminas. It contains 50 levels across 5 ranks of 10 levels each, as well as some tilesets that haven't been seen previously. He intentionally aimed for an easier difficulty with this pack than Lemminas, although from what I understand it is more of a challenge if going for the talisman challenge solutions. Just me personally, but having at least one for every level is overkill, but of course since this is his pack he simply does as he sees fits while taking onboard the constructive feedback he receives in order to improve it and ensure that it's an enjoyable pack for anyone who decides to play the pack. So far, I'm definitely liking what I'm seeing, but I've especially started enjoying the pack since I got into the third rank of Slush World. Sure, I'm one of those players who prefers hard levels with specific intended solutions, but I nevertheless enjoy easy, open-ended levels too. There's pretty much something for everyone with this pack, even if the difficulty is nowhere near the very high end of some of the other level packs known notoriously for their difficulty.

A lot of very good artsy looking levels with the new tilesets which is certainly a plus! :thumbsup:

Teal Kingdom Feedback

The first rank of the pack, these supposedly contain the easiest levels. However, don't take this for granted, as some of these will still provide enough of a challenge to work your way through. In particular, some users before me have stated that the first level of the pack already starts off with a higher than usual difficulty. I agree with this to an extent, and I'm guessing it's mostly due to the middle area, though at the same time it is a bit of an overstatement IMO. Other than the first level, the rest of the rank wasn't too much of a challenge. The only level I found a bit irritating is Teal Kingdom 7 due to the special gimmick of how it's quite easy to misjudge the splat distances due to the sprite sizes being modified and smaller than usual. At the same time, I like how it's a combination of "Lemmings in a Situation" and "Mutiny on the Bounty" into one level.

Teal 10 was a bit annoying (lots of buttons to press)

100% agree with you there, Swerdis. Teal Kingdom 10 is a bit too long for my liking, though Armani has an amazing solution that gets this done in a little under 2 mins. I haven't seen it yet, but wow, nice job Armani! :thumbsup:

@WillLem I'm wondering, did you get inspiration of this level from Mobilems? In mobius' level, it too pretty much uses all of the decoration of the ONML level, just without the buttons, like your level.
 
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Favourite one: Probably Teal 8.

Same. I like how it's a 1-of-everything level and that it still has a surprising amount of different solutions. Nice job on saving two skills! :thumbsup:


Honey Land Feedback

The second rank of the pack, these levels are just a tad bit harder than the ones in the previous rank, but not a whole lot harder. A lot of these levels were nicely made. If just concerned about meeting the save requirement, then these levels aren't too bad. However, if you're like me where you try to go for a save all or go for a max save whenever possible, then some of these are significantly tougher. Some examples are Honey Land 3, Honey Land 7, and Honey Land 8. Again, they're easy if you're just concerned with meeting the absolute minimum target, but they're significantly harder if you go beyond that and go for a save all or maximum amount possible. Indeed, because I did the latter on these 3, they were the hardest levels of the rank for me.

Honey: This was my favourite rank. I like honey, I like yellow which is my favourite colour. But the levels have been pretty good, too though I think I backrouted some. My hardest one was Honey 6, but only because I wanted to solve it over the left side only. And it wasn't easy to climb up these honeycombs. The last one here is the one I like least since I think it plays a bit by itself, like if "on rails". It's always immediately clear what to do next.

Once again, I'm in agreement with you about Honey World 6, though where we differ is with the rank finisher. I still like Honey World 10, even if it's quite easy for one. I really like the concept of it being a 1 lemming level and how it's not as simple as really cheesing the level and that you still have to take the long way around to solve it.

@WillLem

I mention this in my LP, but there is something you need to know for future reference regarding eligibility of entering levels in a contest.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)


Slush World Feedback

The third rank of the pack, even harder levels here, and pretty much where the rank starts getting challenging for me. Sure, there were still plenty of very fast solves, but solving times did slow down here in general. My favorites here were Slush World 2, Slush World 5 (hardest level of the rank IMO), and Slush World 10

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Slush: That's probably the rank I had the most problems with. Slush 5 was a hard level and a real time-cruncher. The following one was difficult too, especially since there were no downward terrain-removing skills. This made it hard to reach some of the buttons. Slush 8 was another demanding one.

Agree about Slush World 5 being hard. For Slush World 6, you should see the original level (LDC #22 R2). There were no lasers at the time since it wasn't yet added to stable NL (along with the slider), and as a result it was far longer to play and complete. Feel fortunate that you didn't have to play that one instead of this one that's in the pack :P


Looking forward to the remaining two ranks! :thumbsup:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPMqwuqZ206rBWJrUC6wkrA - My YouTube channel and you can also find my playlists of Lemmings level packs that I have LPed
kaywhyn's blog: https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=5363.0