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Re: New Level pack: LemRunner
« Reply #30 on: June 24, 2021, 08:35:26 PM »
All rightie, I have finally made my glorious return to LPing the pack after almost two months of not seriously playing Lemmings, and just like that I killed off the remaining 4 levels of the Gear World rank in my first LP video in several weeks. So, the Gear World rank has finally fallen, and so I'm back with replays and feedback. I'm aware that some levels have changed from V2 to V3 and hence my replay collection has some broken replays. In particular, it appears that Gear World 2, 5 and 6 need to be resolved. If I do resolve the changed levels later, I'll likely just tack those replays on at the very end of the LP.

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Part 10 of my LP is currently being uploaded, so be on the lookout for that when it becomes available soon! ;)

I will continue with the Mona rank soon! For now, very satisfied to have finally solved the first two ranks completely :)
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Re: New Level pack: LemRunner
« Reply #31 on: June 26, 2021, 09:52:09 AM »
Hi Dexter/tan x,

Mona World rank finished, so I'm back with replays and feedback!

Mona World Rank Feedback

Overall, the rank felt much easier than either of the first two ranks. I feel Jungle World and Gear World are both harder than Mona World. The Mona World rank was still no pushover, but the levels in this rank didn't take me anywhere near as long as most levels in either the Jungle World or the Gear World rank.

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So far, I've only taken a look at the first two levels of Wacky World, and already Wacky World 2 has me stumped despite it just being a 1 lemming level. So, it appears that the difficulty has picked up again with Wacky World after what I thought was an unusually easy third rank of the pack in Mona World. Needless to say, both Jungle World and Gear World felt quite difficult to me, Mona World was easier than either of the first two ranks, and now the difficulty is picking up again with Wacky World.

I definitely seem to have hit my stride now that I'm making very decent and great progress through the pack after my long, extended absence from the game/level pack. It was definitely a very much needed break, because it seemed to have helped a great deal. Time away can really help. As a result, I'm really enjoying this pack! :thumbsup: Looking forward to the rest of the levels if I'm able to get to them. Seems like you both are enjoying my LP videos very much :)
« Last Edit: June 26, 2021, 09:57:59 AM by kaywhyn »
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Re: New Level pack: LemRunner
« Reply #32 on: July 01, 2021, 08:34:07 PM »
Hello tan x/Dexter,

I have solved all levels of the LemRunner pack. Here is my complete set of LemRunner replays. I have also attached my resolved solutions to some changed Jungle World and Gear World levels for V3. Now some feedback.

Regarding resolved levels: (click to show/hide)

Now feedback on the Wacky World and Industry World ranks, since I've already given feedback on the first three ranks last time.

Wacky World Feedback

I mentioned that I felt the Mona World rank was slightly easier than either of the Jungle World and Gear World ranks. I felt the first two ranks were harder. With Wacky World, however, this one felt about the same difficulty as the first two ranks or just slightly harder. The hardest levels for me in the rank were Wacky World 2 - Full circle, Wacky World 3 - Non sequitur, Wacky World 5 - Pole to pole, and Wacky World 10 - Know when to hold 'em.

My favorites in the Wacky World rank were Wacky World 2, 3, Wacky World 7 - The Gibbering Cliffs, Wacky World 8 - Neurosis is no excuse for bad manners, and Wacky World 9 - When Life Gives You Lemmings

Feedback on Wacky World Levels (click to show/hide)


Industry World Feedback

The Industry World was definitely a really difficult rank, so I think it being the final rank is very appropriate. It's definitely harder than any of the previous individual ranks. In contrast to Wacky World, where 3 levels managed to stump me, 4 Industry World levels managed to stump me badly. However, the roadblocks here took me longer than the Wacky World roadblocks. Only Wacky World 3 took me the longest to get unstuck out of the other two roadblocks, but Industry World 3 - Revenge of the dead, Industry World 8 - The night shift, and Industry World 10 - Dead weight took me the longest to solve, since these all required off-camera time to solve after two failed recorded video attempts to get them solved. The three levels mentioned were definitely the hardest for me, although except for Industry World 10, the solutions themselves aren't too difficult to execute. Industry World 7 - Storage facility 22-A was another hard one for me.

My favorite levels in this rank are Industry World 2 - Bait and switchboard, Industry World 3, Industry World 4 - Livewire lemmings, and Industry World 8



This thus concludes an excellent pack by the both of you! It was a long and very difficult journey, but I'm so relieved to finally be done with the pack so that I can move on to other level packs I would like to LP. I also managed to solve the entire pack without hints on any of the levels, too! :laugh: In case that hasn't been clear, I'm one of those Lemmings players that prefers the satisfaction of figuring out and solving levels on my own without help/hints. I only watch solutions after I have solved the level for the first time on my own.

I can definitely recommend this pack to others thinking of playing it, although I will also warn that it's a very hard pack and to not expect it to be a quick solve. The only reason it took me 2 months to solve all of the pack is due to taking an extended break from it and the game Lemmings in general. I got to say all that time away really helped me to get my motivation for anything Lemmings-related back. It was definitely worth it.

I will get to the Integral Lemmings and All Hallow's Eve packs sometime! I have plans to LP them eventually, but it's not going to be for a while. As usual, I will link you to the LP once I get to them! ;)

Glad to hear you both have been enjoying my videos of me solving your guys' levels! :)
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Re: New Level pack: LemRunner
« Reply #33 on: July 03, 2021, 01:52:35 PM »
Hi Kaywhyn!
Congratulations on making it through our entire level pack, we really loved your letsplay!
Below are responses to each of your comments, made by tan x and myself.

We're working on a new version of the level pack, which will be coming soon.

Gear World and Jungle Resolves:
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Mona World:
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Wacky World:
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Industry World:
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Once again, thank you so much for playing through our pack! We really loved watching your series, and your solutions gave both of us valuable insight into improving and balancing our levels.

We'll be updating the level pack soon, with a few fixes and tweaks, as well as a reshuffling for the level order.
« Last Edit: July 03, 2021, 05:53:12 PM by 92Dexter11 »

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Re: New Level pack: LemRunner
« Reply #34 on: July 03, 2021, 05:34:46 PM »
Version 4 of lemrunner has been released! The original post has been modified to contain the newest version of Lemrunner.

Special thanks to Kaywhyn and Armani for play-testing our levels; their solutions provided us with valuable insight and plenty of enjoyment. :thumbsup:

Changelog:
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Additionally, we've re-organised the level order for each world. We did this because we felt that some levels were harder or easier than others, and we wanted the level order to more accurately reflect difficulty.
This may mean that some of your replays for certain levels may correspond to incorrect levels, sorry for this inconvenience!

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Re: New Level pack: LemRunner
« Reply #35 on: July 03, 2021, 05:36:53 PM »
Hi Dexter/tan x,

Thank you for the detailed feedback/comments on my solutions! :thumbsup: I absolutely love reading feedback from pack authors. I do need to point out something, and that is I got feedback on Tightrope Citadel twice.

Also regarding Non-sequitur, yea, that's an instance of me coming to an incorrect conclusion too hastily :XD: I tend to be very bad with stackers when it comes to solving levels that provide them.

Once again, thank you so much for playing through our pack! We really loved watching your series, and your solutions gave both of us valuable insight into improving and balancing our levels.

Yea, it was a long and very difficult journey, filled with perhaps a lot of very amusing roadblocks, but I persevered and made it to the very end of this mind-busting pack. You both have a knack for making very difficult levels! :thumbsup: I don't mind difficult levels, though. They're my type of levels/challenge. Especially if they're the good kind of challenging and are extremely satisfying to solve (most of the LemRunner levels are, btw! ;)), and I definitely got that satisfying feeling from figuring out many of the really difficult levels in this pack. Perhaps if you're both daring enough, you guys can take on Icho's United pack :laugh: Or maybe you both have seen enough of the pack and thought, "Uh, no, it's just way too hard for either of us." To be fair, it does have a very high difficulty tag, and I'm only the second of three currently to have solved all of the pack, after a lot of struggling for months/weeks that it took me 1 whole year to beat all of it.

Admittedly, not being able to solve Gear World 7 was what unmotivated me to do anything Lemmings-related, and as a result I ended up taking an extensive break from the LP and the game Lemmings in general. The time away definitely helped, though, as when I made my glorious return I was able to knock out the remaining Gear World levels in one single LP video :P

For future reference, don't worry about me starting something and not coming back to finish. As a personal rule, I always finish what I start, so the LP was going to be finished at some point once I returned and can get myself unstuck on that level. And yes, this applies to Nepsterlems as well, since I've been stuck on the first level of the final rank for about a year now! I'm quite determined to finish solving the pack, particularly since I'm about 20 levels away from finishing.

That makes me very happy to hear that the both of you enjoyed my LP immensely. As I have seen, pack authors especially love hearing commentary on their work, as well as hear how the LPer approaches level solving. It also makes me happy to hear how my solutions can inspire future levels from pack authors. I know a few authors/designers who have been kind enough to tell me that my level solution has inspired a level of their own.

Once again, great job to the both of you on a well-done, very challenging pack! :thumbsup: To think I'm only the second person to have solved all of the LemRunner pack as well :laugh: Be on the lookout for when I take on Integral Lemmings and All Hallow's Eve. They're not going to be a while, but when I do get to them, you both know where to find my videos :P
« Last Edit: July 03, 2021, 06:01:28 PM by kaywhyn »
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Re: New Level pack: LemRunner
« Reply #36 on: July 03, 2021, 05:52:12 PM »
Hi kaywhyn,

Be on the lookout for when I take on Integral Lemmings and All Hallow's Eve.
We'll keep our eyes peeled!

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Re: New Level pack: LemRunner
« Reply #37 on: July 04, 2021, 05:17:23 AM »
I think there're only 3 or 4 backroutes remaining :D

These replays are basically same solutions but I had to adjust a little bit since the lastest update broke them :
  Gear5, Mona3,6, Wacky8, Industry10

Now these are new replays you might want to check :
  Jungle09 Waste not, want not
  Jungle10 Lemdiana Jones
  Mona02 Catch my drift
  Mona07 Ad astra per aspera
  Wacky09 When Life Gives You Lemmings
  Industry07 Storage facility 22-A
  Industry09 The specialist


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My newest Neolemmix level pack : Lemmings Halloween 2023 :D 8-)

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Re: New Level pack: LemRunner
« Reply #38 on: July 11, 2021, 10:45:53 AM »
Just sarted and got through Jungle World. :)

Feedback:

The visuals and level are really impressive! :thumbsup:

I especially liked 4,6,11 and 7 (even if 7 has a part I would make clearer:
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Let's say just 1 level just left a bit of a sour mark due to connected pixel-precise assignments that lead to the otherwise working solution fail because of 1 pixel in different locations.

It's level 10 "Lemdiana Jones":

After a bit of time I saw the needed trick and method, but needed quite a lot of time to get it to work and it always failed because of single pixels!

But let's move to the spoiler tag for a more detailed discussion and how to maybe ease this up a bit:

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The general level idea is great, but having multiple pixel-precise assignments directly depending on each other resulting in endless pixel tweaking of the otherwise correct solution is not fun.

Replays attached and I'll see when I have time to go through the next rank. :)

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Re: New Level pack: LemRunner
« Reply #39 on: July 18, 2021, 11:30:48 AM »
And here are my solutions for Gear World!

A lot of great levels there! :thumbsup:

My favorites were: 3, 5 and 9. :)

8 wasn't really my type though. ;)

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Re: New Level pack: LemRunner
« Reply #40 on: July 27, 2021, 11:59:35 AM »
Was on a roll lately and I completed the pack. I have my backroute sense tingling on a few levels though.

I attached my solutions.

My favorites were:

3 08, 3 09, 4 02, 4 08, 5 01, 5 03, 5 06, 5 08

While 5 10 was very creative, let's just say it was a nightmare to execute and more importantly to redo. I've had so many attempts where I was 1 skill or so short and needed to redo the whole thing again and again which wasn't that fun.

This is a very great pack though and I really like the new tilesets as well! :thumbsup::thumbsup:

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Re: New Level pack: LemRunner
« Reply #41 on: September 07, 2021, 07:42:37 PM »
Hi IchoTolot!
Thank you so much for your replays and feedback. We're very sorry for the late response, we've been quite busy lately, so we weren't able to respond to you quickly.

Jungle world responses:
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Gear world responses:
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Mona world responses:
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Wacky world responses:
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Industry world responses:
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Re: New Level pack: LemRunner
« Reply #42 on: September 07, 2021, 07:54:50 PM »
Oh wow, I totally forgot that there's also a level in LemRunner called "Entrapment." I brought this up, because I just recently played a level called "Entrapment" from your brother's Integral Lemmings pack :laugh: Obviously, the LemRunner one came long after, since that pack was released years after Integral Lemmings, yet the level concepts in either one are quite different
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Re: New Level pack: LemRunner
« Reply #43 on: September 07, 2021, 08:11:13 PM »
Oh wow, I totally forgot that there's also a level in LemRunner called "Entrapment." I brought this up, because I just recently played a level called "Entrapment" from your brother's Integral Lemmings pack :laugh: Obviously, the LemRunner one came long after, since that pack was released years after Integral Lemmings, yet the level concepts in either one are quite different

Yeah, my brother and I both realised this when we were watching your let's play of Integral Lemmings. :forehead: Had I known that tan had already named one of his levels that, I would have called my level something else. Oh well, it's a bit too late now! :P

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Re: New Level pack: LemRunner
« Reply #44 on: September 07, 2021, 09:56:15 PM »
Thanks for the response. :)

I am looking forward to resolving the backrouted stuff when the patch hits and you hopefully find ways to patch them all. :thumbsup: