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Offline namida

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Re: [NeoLemmix] Skills you can't live without
« Reply #135 on: November 15, 2020, 08:47:31 am »
Turning my attention elsewhere, I decided to get started on Lemmings Plus Omega - here's the first half of Breezy. Most of these are trivial, but a few might be interesting enough for replays.

Breezy 1 "Gliding to Safety" - 2 gliders
Breezy 2 "Totally Original Stoner Level" - 3 stoners
Breezy 3 "You Shall Walk Again!" - 2 walkers
Breezy 4 "Attack Of The Clones" - 2 cloners
Breezy 5 "Now We Swim And Platform" - 3 platformers
Breezy 6 "Disarmed Approach" - 4 disarmers
Breezy 7 "Stacking The Odds" - 5 stackers
Breezy 8 "Classic Techniques" - 2 builders (replay attached)
Breezy 9 "Free To A Good Lemming" - none
Breezy 10 "Got Your Eye On A Lemming?" - none (no-builders replay attached)
Breezy 11 "Stones In The Sky" - 4 stoners
Breezy 12 "Gap Buster" - 2 platformers
Breezy 13 "Time To Gap It" - none (no-platformers replay attached)
Breezy 14 "What A Sixy Lemming" - none (diggers-only is a talisman, no diggers is trivial)
Breezy 15 "Get Your Lemming On" - none (no-builders is a talisman, builders-only is trivial)

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Re: [NeoLemmix] Skills you can't live without
« Reply #136 on: November 15, 2020, 09:07:10 am »
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Some more improvements. Some will probably get patched out - and the more I think about this, the more I'm starting to feel that the fact that this pack is still being actively backroute-patched does make it somewhat unsuitable for challenges... anyway, the improvements for Coward:

For me it is perfect. People who especially search for broken solutions. :laugh:

I will add the replays to the pile I need to check. :)

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Re: [NeoLemmix] Skills you can't live without
« Reply #137 on: November 15, 2020, 01:56:08 pm »
Some more LPO/Breezy:

16 "Not That Way!" - 10 walkers, 1 builder
17 "A Straightforward Task..." - 1 builder
18 "Up, Up and Home!" - None
19 "A Blocker Would Be Handy" - None
20 "The Nuclear Plant" - None
21 "Triplicity" - None
22 "Swap Magic" - None
23 "Lemming Think For A Moment..." - None
24 "On The Home Turf" - None
25 "Two Sides To A Story" - None
26 "Parallel Process" - 1 glider
27 "Just Past Here..." - None
28 "Traptastic!" - 1 disarmer, 2 builders, 2 bashers
29 "Spelemkers" - None
30 "Lemming It The Hard Way" - None
« Last Edit: November 15, 2020, 04:16:04 pm by Proxima »

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Re: [NeoLemmix] Skills you can't live without
« Reply #138 on: November 15, 2020, 03:24:48 pm »
I looked at first rank of Dovelem and luckily, there were some improvements ;)

Plain10 The Woodrock Temple : Miner 1->0

Plain20 Wooden House : Miner 2->0

Plain27 Lemmings on the Spot : Builder 4->3

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Re: [NeoLemmix] Skills you can't live without
« Reply #139 on: November 15, 2020, 04:30:35 pm »
Yesterday I went through the topic and compiled (almost) all replays into a zip, which I've attached to the first post. The only ones I removed were my own where they had been superseded by my own later results; I left in ones that had been superseded by other people as the different approaches we took might be of interest to some. I renamed any replays that didn't mention which skills they minimised, which unfortunately means you can't reliably guess which replays are mine and which are namida's from our naming styles.

I will update the zip in the first post regularly, but right now I'm holding off on adding new DoveLems replays as I'm waiting to see whether any of the new batch will lead to changes to the levels :P

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Re: [NeoLemmix] Skills you can't live without
« Reply #140 on: November 16, 2020, 02:12:30 am »
WillLem, namida and I went through Doomsday Lemmings / Outbreak in discord today. Results:

1 "Grave Danger" - None
2 "Curse Reborn" - 2 builders, 1 basher
3 "Haunted Pier" - None
4 "Undead Lockdown" - None
5 "Making A Run For It!" - None
6 "Cursed Affliction" - 1 basher, 1 digger
7 "Undead Dipper" - 1 swimmer, 2 platformers, 2 builders, 1 digger

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Re: [NeoLemmix] Skills you can't live without
« Reply #141 on: November 17, 2020, 03:35:12 am »
Here's my replays for Lemminsg Plus Omega / Puzzling.

Puzzling 3 "Horizontal Access" - 3 platformers
Puzzling 12 "Sky High Lemming" - No blockers
Puzzling 13 "The Martian Lake Beast" - No builders; no bashers (two replays)
Puzzling 14 "So This Is How It Ends..." - No climbers, no miners; no builders (two replays) - many more results (eg. no blockers) are variations on the no-builders one
Puzzling 17 "Can Your Lemming Do This?" - No builders
Puzzling 24 "I Swear Upon A Lemming" - No bashers
Puzzling 26 "The Castle Towers" - 2 platformers; no diggers (two replays)
Puzzling 30 "Drop Them Lems" - No gliders

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Re: [NeoLemmix] Skills you can't live without
« Reply #142 on: November 17, 2020, 04:53:06 pm »
Results from the Omega/Puzzling sessions, and my own interesting replays:

1 "A Home Under The Bridge" - None
2 "It's A Fair Treede" - 1 builder
3 "Horizontal Access" - 3 platformers
4 "Not Very Lemming Friendly" - None
5 "Listen To Your Lemming" - None
6 "Traptastic!" - None
7 "More Than Just A Dream" - 6 builders
8 "Doing It By The Book" - None
9 "Trap Turner" - 1 disarmer
10 "A Little Bit Of A Lemming" - None
11 "Backwards Solution" - 5 climbers, 7 bombers
12 "Sky High Lemming" - 2 platformers, 3 builders
13 "The Martian Lake Beast" - None
14 "So This Is How It Ends..." - None
15 "Pass The Lemming, Please" - 1 platformer, 4 builders, 1 basher, 1 digger
16 "Beta Lemming" - None
17 "Can Your Lemming Do This?" - 1 basher
18 "Not THAT Simple..." - 2 platformers, 1 builder, 1 miner
19 "A Split Task" - 1 walker, 1 climber, 1 bomber, 1 miner, 1 cloner
20 "Don't Go Anywhere!!!" - 1 builder
21 "The Lower Branch" - None
22 "Don't Count Your Lemmings..." - None
23 "Eco-Friendly Lemmings" - 1 floater, 1 glider, 1 bomber, 2 blockers, 1 platformer, 1 builder, 1 basher
24 "I Swear Upon A Lemming" - 3 platformers, 3 builders, 1 digger
25 "So much Lem, so little time..." - None
26 "The Castle Towers" - 2 platformers, 1 miner
27 "Inversion Therapy" - 1 basher
28 "Sandy Showdown" - None
29 "Keepin' Us Down..." - 1 climber, 1 miner
30 "Drop Them Lems" - None

14 of 30 levels have a "None" result. It's about time I decided on a fixed cut-off point for this, so I've decided that for the tallies in the opening post, I will use the "All others in [rank] - None" format if the number of Nones is at least 10 or half the rank, whichever is less.
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Re: [NeoLemmix] Skills you can't live without
« Reply #143 on: November 17, 2020, 05:14:40 pm »
Improvement to 1 Basher for Puzzling 27 "Inversion Therapy".

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Re: [NeoLemmix] Skills you can't live without
« Reply #144 on: November 18, 2020, 12:53:59 am »
WillLem and I started the Perplexing rank, but the levels are getting very tough now, so we only made a little dent in the rank...

1 "Purple Pools" - 1 platformer, 2 builders (builders is WillLem's result)
2 "The Enclosure" - 4 floaters, 2 diggers
3 "Make Lem, Not War" - 2 climbers, 1 platformer, 1 builder, 1 basher, 2 miners
4 "Borrow A Bit Of Freedom?" - 1 platformer, 1 stacker, 1 basher, 1 miner
5 "When They Need It Most..." - 3 walkers, 1 climber, 1 swimmer, 1 glider, 1 stoner, 1 platformer, 1 builder, 1 basher
6 "Security Bypass" - None
7 "Dial "L" for Lemming" - 1 climber, 1 bomber, 1 blocker, 1 platformer, 1 builder, 2 stackers, 2 miners

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Re: [NeoLemmix] Skills you can't live without
« Reply #145 on: November 25, 2020, 09:44:28 pm »
Update to DoveLems results:

Plain 20, Plain 25, Coward 25 and Coward 30 have been updated, so I won't add namida's and Armani's improvements to the OP, and will assume the current records for these levels still stand. Let me know if that's not the case for any level.

Coward 21 was also updated, and now seems to require all skills.

No other levels were updated, so I will assume Icho has decided that improvements for these levels are not backroutes, and new results will be allowed to stand.

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Re: [NeoLemmix] Skills you can't live without
« Reply #146 on: November 26, 2020, 03:50:31 am »
As we suspected but didn't feel like verifying :P Manic 17 "Just a Minute..." is possible with 1 basher, 1 digger.

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Re: [NeoLemmix] Skills you can't live without
« Reply #147 on: November 28, 2020, 06:08:28 am »
My replays for PimoLems / Calm.

Calm 2 "Training Day" - No floaters; No miners (separate replays)
Calm 8 "Cloud-Covered Stalactite" - 2 bashers
Calm 14 "Pagoda St" - No climbers; No bashers (separate replays)
Calm 16 "Don't Look Down!" - No miners
Calm 17 "You Shall Not Pass" - No builders; No bashers (separate replays)
Calm 18 "Clumps" - 2 builders
Calm 20 "Spring Break!" - 10 builders; No digger (separate replays)

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Re: [NeoLemmix] Skills you can't live without
« Reply #148 on: November 28, 2020, 06:22:57 am »
We're better at starting packs than finishing them :P so here are the results for PimoLems/Calm, done by me and namida.

Some of these may be considered backroutes or at least unintended, especially Calm 2 no floater / no miner, Calm 5 no builders and Calm 17 no bashers, but since this is an easy rank and most levels are any-way-you-want, I hope these are not going to lead to any changes to the levels.

1 "The Bad Beginning" - None
2 "Training Day" - 1 climber, 1 builder, 1 basher, 1 miner
3 "We Are Lem-Bob-Omb!" - 4 bombers
4 "Emerald Cave" - 4 builders
5 "Better Run for Shelter" - None
6 "Lemming Falls" - None
7 "Lemstones" - 1 floater, 2 builders
8 "Cloud-Covered Stalactite" - 2 bashers
9 "The Strange Relics of Lemnos" - None
10 "It's a Kind Lembourhood" - 7 builders
11 "Minimal Design" - 3 builders
12 "These Ain't No Jedi Swords" - 1 climber, 1 miner, 3 diggers
13 "Lems, Stock, and Barrels" - None
14 "Pagoda St" - 2 builders
15 "Find Your Way Up !" - 3 builders
16 "Don't Look Down !" - 4 builders
17 "YOU SHALL NOT PASS" - None
18 "Clumps" - 2 blockers, 2 builders
19 "Iron Industry" - 2 bashers, 2 miners, 2 diggers
20 "Spring Break !" - 10 builders, 1 basher, 1 miner

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Re: [NeoLemmix] Skills you can't live without
« Reply #149 on: November 28, 2020, 08:57:12 am »
And the first half of Windy:

1 "Have A Lem Soda" - 2 builders
2 "Return to the Fold" - 1 climber, 4 builders, 1 miner, 1 digger
3 "You Lempty-Headed Creatures !" - 1 bomber, 1 miner
4 "Sandcastles in the Sand" - 7 builders, 1 basher, 1 miner
5 "How Do I Turn Back ?" - 3 builders, 1 basher
6 "Diggers Mania" - 6 blockers, 3 builders, 11 diggers
7 "Take on the World !" - 7 builders, 1 digger
8 "Step by Step" - 2 bashers, 1 digger
9 "The Hiking Tour" - 1 climber, 1 floater, 5 builders, 2 bashers, 1 digger
10 "Me sorry, me lost..." - 1 climber, 1 basher, 1 digger