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Re: ArtLems - Development Topic
« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2017, 06:49:22 pm »
Great suggestions! I love the Nutcracker Suite, but I need to be judicious in which ones are used, otherwise 90% of the Romantic rank will play Nutcracker music. ;P
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« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2017, 08:42:08 pm »
Also, does Scott Joplin's music work in this pack? You've heard these songs in my gameplays of Chip's Challenge. Songs like "The Entertainer", "Maple Leaf Rag", "The Ragtime Dance" , "Something Doing" (also in NepsterLems), and "Wall Street Rag" come to mind.

James Scott was also a great "ragtimer". I think his "Broadway Rag" is a joyfull song for a level.

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« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2017, 10:47:59 pm »
I reccomend:

Seigfreid's Funeral March by Richard Wagner
Fantasy in F Minor, Chopin
Scherzo in B flat Minor, Chopin
Reflections in the Water, Debussy
The "Images" by Debussy are short and maybe good for this (that's what Reflections is from)
Violin something (concerto?) in D major, Brahams
Watz in.... I forget by Brahams, it's a short song.
Consolation by Franz List
The Planets; Gustav Holst
Bolero, Ravel

for contemporary artists; try anything by Arvo Part, I highly recommend! [but especially Fratres for Cello and Piano)

If you want to include anything by Scott Joplin I can give you the files from Chips challenge which is certain to be copy right free. My favorites are Weeping Willow, Heliotrope Boquet, Magnetic Rag, Paragon Rag, Wallstreet and Scot Joplin's New Rag.

good suggestions by others. :thumbsup:
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Re: ArtLems - Development Topic
« Reply #18 on: February 28, 2017, 11:58:33 pm »
The ars nova piece 'Messe de Notre Dame' is really good for the Medieval section if you want genuine music from then, it's just chant though (like most western medieval music). It was revolutionary for the time though because two different melodies were sung at once! Nearly all chant before that was only one melody sung by everyone.
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« Reply #19 on: March 01, 2017, 01:37:25 am »
that reminds me of "Scarborough Fair" which is a song also from the Medieval period.
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Re: ArtLems - Development Topic
« Reply #20 on: April 02, 2017, 10:17:25 pm »
Well, it happened. I can't remember how to beat one of my levels (A Night on Lem Mountain for the curious), and apparently I don't have any replays of it. :-[ Has this ever happened to anyone else?
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« Reply #21 on: April 02, 2017, 11:38:29 pm »
It's happened to me before. :-[

I would suggest trying to solve it, and if you don't manage to do so (perhaps you're better at making difficult levels than solving them), ask somebody on the forums via PM to take a look if they have time. There's also the possibility of you having made a change you forgot about that made it impossible to solve (for example, you could've been making a change, realized you wanted to do something else, saved the level while it was impossible/still in the process of being changed, and later forgot to complete the change).

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« Reply #22 on: April 02, 2017, 11:51:50 pm »
Glad to know it's happened to someone else too.

The problem is, I remember there being backroutes in the level that I forgot to seal, and I'm afraid I won't be able to find the intended solution. Thanks for the advice though; I'll try it.
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Re: ArtLems - Development Topic
« Reply #23 on: April 03, 2017, 12:51:11 am »
It's happened to me as well Arty, my way around this is making sure I always make a successful replay file of the intended solution when I've finished a level and I make this a MUST.

There's still one SEB Lems level where I cannot remember the solution to it at the time of typing this lol
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Re: ArtLems - Development Topic
« Reply #24 on: April 03, 2017, 04:16:56 pm »
Geez Louise, this level is hard. I've tried so many different things, and everything I try just doesn't work, so I'm opening this up. If anyone wants to try to solve this level, just PM me, and I'll send you the level+music.
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Re: ArtLems - Development Topic
« Reply #25 on: April 07, 2017, 04:16:17 am »
Thanks to bulletride for finding the new official solution to A Night on Lem Mountain, although the original solution should still exist.

Also, I'm creating a level that requires me to write a program in Python to help build it. It's extremely slow progress, but it should be worth it (hopefully).
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Re: ArtLems - Development Topic
« Reply #26 on: April 07, 2017, 06:01:27 pm »
Talk about a dedication to your craft... :o

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« Reply #27 on: September 02, 2017, 12:42:53 pm »
Handel and other great Renaissance composers

I should also point out that Handel is usually considered a Baroque composer, not Renaissance. Other than that, awesome.

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« Reply #28 on: September 02, 2017, 02:21:54 pm »
Was he really? My art history class taught us he was a Renaissance composer. I'll have to look into that.
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Re: ArtLems - Development Topic
« Reply #29 on: September 23, 2017, 03:48:48 am »
Couple of announcements to make here.

Yes, I am still making this pack. Progress has not been as fast as I hoped it would be when I announced it, and there are many, many reasons for this. One of these reasons is that I want to make this pack truly extraordinary and accurate to the art periods. I want someone to see a level in a given rank, and immediately be able to see the connection between it and the art period. This is even harder than it sounds, and looking back at several levels, I do not think I did this justice, which has convinced me to touch up some levels, and scrap others.

Another thing that has been bothering me is the music. I want each period to have music representative of the art period. The Ancient and Medieval eras are tricky, because little to no recorded music exists from those times, so I have to improvise with things that simply sound accurate to the period. The problem is, these tend to not be royalty free and/or public domain. I feel it would do this pack a great injustice to not have unique music selected for each level to perfectly compliment the atmosphere, but at the same time, I do not want people to be detracted from playing this pack due to large downloads and/or getting potential video solutions taken down because of the music. It's a big dilemma, and one that I've struggled with for a while now.

Please let me know which of these is most important to you:

1) That the music is public-domain and royalty-free
2) That the music comes from the time period the level is based on (if possible)
3) That the music complements the level, even if it's technically out-of-place for the time period

Also, for the Modernist rank, I currently have mostly video game music/remixes playing on the levels. At first, I liked this, because I know of a ton of great tracks I wanted to include, but looking back, I feel this doesn't accurately reflect the true nature of Modernist music, so I may change/scrap quite a few levels in that rank, because they were based around the music track (such as Hailfire Peaks).

Playing ParaLems, Lemmings Migration, and now SEB Lems has gotten me back into the Lemmings mood, but I still feel like I have little to no good ideas for any ArtLems levels, at least, not levels I consider to be good enough for this pack.

Sorry for the ramble; hopefully this gives you guys a good idea of where I'm at right now in regards to ArtLems. I feel it was time for an update since I've been quiet on the details of this for a long time now.

P.S. Thanks chrisleec728 for pointing out Handel was a Baroque composer and not a Renaissance composer; I had no idea, and you just saved me from looking like a complete idiot when I released the pack! ;P
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