Lemmings Forums Level Contest #10 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)

[mobius]

my level is backrouted; not sure how to fix at the moment. I'll be working on it right away but it might take a while...

Nepster's solution was interesting however.

[Gronkling]

Here's my solutions to the levels, their all for the first version APART from Simon's R1 and ColourfulArty's R1. All of them are solved on NeoLemmix_Exp 1.44-D & Lix 2016-01-31

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Apjjm R3 (click to show/hide)

Nice level, harder than it looks! My solution has lots of spare skills but I like it The objects don't cause the most difficulty in this level.

BulletRide R1 (click to show/hide)

Very nice basic idea, wrapped into a simple level. Was both one of the hardest and most fun levels here. The title probably makes this level seem like it's going to have an unfun solution though

BulletRide R2 (click to show/hide)

Good decoration, and easy enough.

Colourful Arty R1 (click to show/hide)

Good level exploring a single theme, though possibly a bit too long for my tastes.

Colourful Arty R2 (click to show/hide)

Too much walking, the zombies don't add enough to the level, possibly a bit too hard

Dullstar R2 (click to show/hide)

It was OK... there's basically nothing to say about this level.. I had some fun with stoners

Dullstar R3 (click to show/hide)

Easy, but a fun concept. Down facing arrows didn't contribute much.

Flopsy R1 (click to show/hide)

Nice level, building could be reduced

Flopsy R2 (click to show/hide)

Thanks for using my tileset! Possibly a bit too hard, might be better with only one entrance.

Geoo R2 (click to show/hide)

Would be a good way to teach blocking with bombers, number of lix could be reduced for less waiting time at the end.

IchoTolot R1 (click to show/hide)

A classic Icho level.. therefore good!

IchoTolot R3 (click to show/hide)

This is a stressful level for some reason, I didn't find it very fun. The downward arrows/updraft don't contribute much either, could be reduced in vertical size

Minim R2 (click to show/hide)

A bit bare decoration-wise.

Minim R3 (click to show/hide)

Probably the best use of two different objects here. The solution I found was extremely fiddly.

Möbius R1 (click to show/hide)

A bit bland in terms of decoration, lots of building too though it's not particularly unfun. Quiet easy too.

Nepster R2 (click to show/hide)

Far too hard for this rule + very tedious.

Proxima R1 (click to show/hide)

This is the only level I felt I backrouted lots. Harder than it looks.

Proxima R2 (click to show/hide)

Fun! (Nothing else to say)

Simon R2 (click to show/hide)

Hard level, very fiddly.

I didn't expect my R1 level to be this hard for people! Also my R2 level is designed to be possible with no builders.

[Dullstar]

More Reviews!

These two levels I couldn't solve:

BulletRide's Precision

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I didn't realize you could use blockers in that fashion.  I guess I learned something new today.
Interesting level idea.  I'll have to keep this technique in mind in the future.

Gronkling's Lost Umbrellas

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Almost every approach I've seen or tried for this level fails by one pixel.  Is this level intended to be pixel precise?  Can't say I'm a huge fan of pixel precision.

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This one went okay though.

Flopsy86's Synchronised

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Good: Figuring out how to distribute skills, figuring out how to save right side.
Bad:  Seems at least some amount of precision with builders is inevitable in order to reach the right side without creating an area where lemmings can die.  I had an extra builder I could have used there, but that would have increased the amount of precision I needed to turn the builder around to reach the exit.  (I ended up using such precision, however, due to not realizing I had an extra builder).

The replay attached is for Synchronised.
UPDATE:  I think this solution only works in the original version.  I'll have to try again on the updated one.

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EDIT TO AVOID DOUBLE POST:
Gronkling, I don't think your solution for Across the Ball Pit works in v2.  However, I will soon make an update restoring it (or at least something really close to it).  v2 replaced some of the skills (including the stoners) with the three digging tools.  In testing, the miner couldn't be applied as well as the digger or the basher, so I'll replace the miners with the stoners when I release v3.

EDIT 2:  Update released.

EDIT 3:  I just noticed that none of the replays for Lem-17 Bomber turn around the lemming to bash through the one-way-wall like I'd intended, but I don't think there's any good way to force it without a substantial redesign to the layout so I'm just going to leave it.  For some reason I never thought of the fact that you could use just the builder to do it .
For reference, I'd intended for to use a bomber to turn around.  The builder was supposed to be to allow lemmings to get back up to the exit.

[IchoTolot]

Finally solved Gronklings level and I must say it's an excellent level!
Seeing the solution afterwards it isn't really that complicated (still hard though as you need to see several things), but you have to see that little trick to save that one skill    add some ways that almost work and get ready to be stucked.
I can see now why Gronkling was surprised on how nobody managed to solve it.

Replay attached.    But please try to solve it regulary, I know you are able to!

Video will be uploaded later today as well.   EDIT: It's up now

[namida]

Here's my replays for the Lix R1 levels. Comments / etc will be in the video as usual, but in short I'll say: Two very nice levels here!

EDIT: Video is up now, link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr81nXEZ7H4

[bulletride]

Finally beat Gronklings level as well after taking a few days break from it. Amazing job at stumping so many people for so long! Great level!

[Gronkling]

That's slightly different to the intended solution, but it uses the main trick so it's fine Ichotolot has the perfect intended one.

[Simon]

Gronkling's solution to Long Division: Your solution avoids the main idea, and you find an alternative solution instead. Well done.

Long Division is already at the hard end, so I'd like to leave in your alternative solution.

To find my main idea by yourself, restrict yourself as follows (click to show/hide)

Assign batter only to lix at the topmost level.

My main idea (click to show/hide)

My main idea is that you must bat 3 times on top level, to push one lix far enough. To see how to do this, watch the intended solution attached to the v25 update post, or do this:
* let the 1st lix, A, from the rightmost hatch walk onwards
* dig with the 2nd lix, B, from the rightmost hatch
* when this digger clusters with another lix, C, bat both forward by an unrelated lix
* assign batter to A, pushing B and C forward even further
* assign batter to B, pushing C forward even further
* create the route with C

You don't bat 3 timse on the top level, but instead stall the crowd on the intermediate level. That's inventive, too, and gives enough time to finish the level in peace. You need to spam diggers, but you have enough.

-- Simon

[Dullstar]

Finally solved Gronklings level and I must say it's an excellent level!
Seeing the solution afterwards it isn't really that complicated (still hard though as you need to see several things), but you have to see that little trick to save that one skill    add some ways that almost work and get ready to be stucked.
I can see now why Gronkling was surprised on how nobody managed to solve it.

Replay attached.    But please try to solve it regulary, I know you are able to!

Video will be uploaded later today as well.   EDIT: It's up now

Oh wow.  I can see why I didn't think of

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using the builder there but how did I not think of using the terrain on the left side to get up to the ceiling?

[namida]

Here's my replays for Rule 2. Once the video finishes uploading / processing, video for NL levels is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5pdpS_AIp8

I did attempt to record video for the Lix levels too, but it messed up (it has intact audio, but the visual is frozen at the menu screen). So for those, the replays and some text comments will have to do.

All of the levels (both NL and Lix), I 100%ed the first time without even really trying too hard to do so, with the exception of geoo's level. This one didn't give me too much difficulty once I noticed something...

Proxima's "A Necklace Of Raindrops" (click to show/hide)

A nice level, but nothing too special. Very easy to 100%.

geoo's "Marching Band" (click to show/hide)

Very easy to solve. However, as I said, it's the only one I didn't 100% the first time around. Once I realised that all that was required to 100% was slightly desyncing the two groups from each other, and maybe using walkers to save a few stragglers, it wasn't so bad.

[namida]

I missed the updates to both of Colorful Arty's levels in the NXP; so if you're using that, please redownload to be sure you have the latest versions of these levels (I also double-checked the other levels at the same time, I don't think I missed any others).

This only affects the NXP, the zip of LVL files was updated correctly.

[IchoTolot]

I've uploaded a video showing the intentional ways of my entires + some commentary on my thoughts while creating the levels. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJOz0k3B98s

[namida]

Updates are now closed. Voting will open in 4 days.

Due to the large number of levels, some thought also needs to go into how the voting should be handled. In particular, how should the initial round be divided - two groups? Three groups? Maybe four? And how should it be divided - by rule, or just at random?

One possible idea is to have a voteoff for each rule, then put the winning levels (or perhaps the top two levels even) into a final round.

[Apjjm]

Replay of my solution to my own level.

Comments:

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You can quite freely switch the miner & digger around to achieve the same result, which some of the solutions here did. It is also possible get one or two of the buttons before digging if you so choose. There is intentionally a bit of leeway on the skills here so that you can create the "1 way gates" however you want.

[mobius]

I'm not 100% sure this is okay, so if it's against the rules please disregard this; [or delete post]

my own solution to my level (in the pale moonlight)

comments:

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Most of the solutions I've seen by other people are not bad, and comments have nice, but namida and IchoTolot found pretty simple backroutes. My solutions steals two ideas from Clam and one from tseug