Quote from: hrb264 on February 15, 2026, 08:43:25 PM

Quote from: WillLem on February 15, 2026, 08:06:14 PMI've attached a "V2" of your level with 9 hatches on the right as you specified.

And thanks again for doing this

No problem, glad to help

Thanks!

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Quote from: WillLem on February 15, 2026, 08:06:14 PMI've attached a "V2" of your level with 9 hatches on the right as you specified.

And thanks again for doing this

Quote from: WillLem on February 15, 2026, 08:06:14 PMThe current workaround for variable lem amounts is to have multiple overlapping hatches. I've attached a "V2" of your level with 9 hatches on the right as you specified. This allows multitasking which makes the solution a bit faster, but the level works well with just 2 lemmings as well.

Yes that's a fair point and I agree, as I'd seen levels with varying lemming amounts I assumed you could already do it 

Quote from: hrb264 on February 13, 2026, 06:58:59 PMI wanted to have 9 lemmings coming out of the right hand hatch and 1 trapped - I've seen levels with variable numbers of lemmings from different hatches before. However, I ended up making it with 2 lemmings and I think it works.

It works well with 2 lemmings for sure.

The current workaround for variable lem amounts is to have multiple overlapping hatches. I've attached a "V2" of your level with 9 hatches on the right as you specified. This allows multitasking which makes the solution a bit faster, but the level works well with just 2 lemmings as well.

I've thought about variable hatch counts for RetroLemmini, but come to the conclusion that it adds too much potential for messy UI. The workaround is a good way to achieve the same thing without messing up the display too much, and without taking RetroLemmini's mechanics too far from the OG.

Awesome

Thanks for the screenshots WillLem, they allow to better understand how things work 

Thoughts :

* Order of display : oh well it works that way. I dont know why it'd seem more natural to me with Total Lems first, but whatever.

* Total Saved / +Extra Saved I still think that displaying the Total Saved once objective has been fulfilled may create confusion. In the example above if you reach the requirement the displays turn to 0, OK.

But then saving another Lemmings makes the display jump to 11 and creates a discontinuity : 0->11 with a single Lemmings in ? Hard to interpret for the player imo.
Making the display go to +1 sounds easier to interpret. Sure you can not see the required total, but who cares since you just reached it anyway ?

Also reading "Flag +1" makes it quite clear that you have reached the flag and have an extra lemming saved. However : "Flag 11 (blue)" is quite the same as "Flag 11 (green)" but one means "you still have 11 to save" and the other means "you have saved 11". Quite confusing again.

It'd be nice to hear other players thoughts on this ? Or maybe just create an option that allows to choose one or the other ?


* Color Scheme Blue for objective not reached looks weird imo. For now blue is for "description when hovering over something". I'd suggest :
* Yellow while not reached, then turn to green. Need some tests to see if yellow on screen most of the time is not too disturbing.
* Green while not reached, then turn to blue. This way you see all green most of the time and blue for victory. Sounds fine too.


Finally : maybe add a short (blue) description of the numbers when you mouse over them ? The same way you get a skill description when you mouse over them in the skill panel.

Quick fix to the panel icons. Not worth a version update, just drop this in gfx/menu if you have any version of SuperLemmix past 3.0.

Making the minimal changes necessary to begin with, we now have this:


From L-R: Lems yet to spawn, total lems available, (save requirement - already saved). The last of these now answers 2 questions: what is the save requirement (which can still be viewed by mousing over the icon)? How many are still to be saved? And meanwhile doesn't create any questions like "why is this a negative number"? Good.
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All lems have spawned. 15 are available, 5 have been saved (so 5 have still yet to be saved)
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10 are available, and the save requirement has now been met (we show 0 in green).
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After a single additional lemming is saved, the save count starts to show the total saved. At this point, 5 are still available and a total of 15 have been saved.

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We could probably continue to show hatch lems on the panel tbh, there's not really any need to remove it and create UI junk elsewhere. I'd still prefer to keep it as the first item displayed, because it will normally be the first to reach 0 and become no longer relevant, and it's the first number that possibly can change.

The above could probably be enough just by itself to meet the OP's needs, but perhaps additional UI such as a light-up or checkmarked exit could provide further feedback.

Thoughts so far?