Quote from: The Tomato Watcher on November 29, 2025, 11:24:17 PMVery few of the updated solutions are intended, but almost none are worth patching out. Sour 2 in particular feels impossible to ever be fully fixed, as it will always be possible for some precise lemming spacing to cheese the level (and might even be everyone's first thing to try no matter what), even if I make the save requirement as strict as possible. Kinda sucks because I thought the intended solution was clever, and if this level were in the original game that precise lemming spacing wouldn't even matter, but it is what it is, and it's not worth touching the level ever again.

Sour 4 is the exception. It might take a while, but I think I can make it work, we'll see.

I am kind of sad to read the bitterness here 

As the average guy who keeps getting his levels backrouted in any possible ways by master solvers of this community, I have not given up yet and patch them over and over again to get closer to my goal. This is tough, especially considering the Save One mechanic in my pack is very prone to being destroyed by single tiny details.

Anyway, I gave another shot at Sour 2 and think I have found the intended solution, or near ? Clever indeed, I understand the frustration of seeing everyone avoiding it. If this is indeed intended, I may even give some ideas to enforce player to go that way :

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* Locking Release Rate : RR is too powerful in compression level, dont give this freedom to players.

* Give only one blocker and put a high enough wall somewhere before the traps to allow compression between said wall and blocker only : a single place where compression is possible will enforce intended solution.

* Add more traps to the way : my previous solution that has 1 out of 3 close lemmings get through the 2 traps dies.

And Reverse the Polarity... attempt 743

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I really can't work out why I need two diggers, and that's probably why these will keep being backroutes until I do! Unless it's a red herring of course.

I'm sorry about that, Tomato Watcher, but it's the nature of the beast unfortunately. I'm currently playtesting some levels for someone else, and they have now released about 7 patches for a single level because I keep accidentally backrouting it. It may be partly my fault for not seeing their intended solution but it is quite a difficult thing to enforce, simply because the possibility space is quite large in this game. Don't lose heart though, I thought your pack was great! It's very enjoyable to play.

Here we go again

Very few of the updated solutions are intended, but almost none are worth patching out. Sour 2 in particular feels impossible to ever be fully fixed, as it will always be possible for some precise lemming spacing to cheese the level (and might even be everyone's first thing to try no matter what), even if I make the save requirement as strict as possible. Kinda sucks because I thought the intended solution was clever, and if this level were in the original game that precise lemming spacing wouldn't even matter, but it is what it is, and it's not worth touching the level ever again.

Sour 4 is the exception. It might take a while, but I think I can make it work, we'll see.

Ah man, either I'm being really obtuse (quite possible!) or you have created some levels here that it's so hard to discern what you intend the player to do that only the most battle-hardened NL vets are gonna be able to solve them XD At least I've cleared a bit of a path for folks in terms of them not wasting their time trying the same backroutes I have. I feel like I owe you an apology to keep causing you to update your levels, though I guess it's more of my time really ;-) Still, as you've learned by now, I don't give up easily

It says something when I'm having a break by playing Armani's levels from the Holiday 2024 pack though lol

Can you at least tell me whether I've ever been close with any of my previous attempts at The Lemming Ledger? I know you said I was close with Reverse Polarity before, but looks like I've gone backwards there.

Damn, now you're on a role.  Unfortunately they're backroutes that don't line up too well with what I'm intending.

Quote from: 92Dexter11 on June 21, 2025, 02:36:41 PMHey all,

My brother and I came up with a fun concept which we developed into a level.

It's for NeoLemmix, and requires the 'Hoard' tileset from Lemmings Faithful.

Solution is also attached as a separate file.

Let us know what you think! 

Hey 92Dexter11! I haven't checked your replay yet, but from what he said, I probably got the same solution as kaywhyn. I'll be interested to see what you use the additional builder for, as I also had one spare! Replay attached.

This was a neat idea! Took a bit of working out, like your Cause and Infect level, despite the relatively small skillset

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I haven't seen skills continue through portals before but I figured they probably behaved the same as teleporters in that sense, with the added benefit that you don't have to worry about losing any lemmings heading in the wrong direction out of the top portal due to how they function. I'm definitely a fan of portals!

@Armani I finished all your levels from this topic, with the exception of Lemstein's Special Relativity

I heeded your advice there and watched your replay after spending not a lot of time trying to solve it!

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I knew the solution would involve a nuke, but didn't even know that teleporters reset the nuke timer like that! Even with that knowledge, the timing is very precise, in terms of when to hit the nuke and make the last lemming a glider. I didn't even get close to this solution. I guess in theory it could be worked out (I believe kaywhyn did just that) but it's a very hard trick/glitch to just stumble across!

In terms of the other levels, Cloud Kingdom was BY FAR the hardest. The others took quite a while, except for Thank You Mr Snail, Secretly Greatly and Welcome to The Woodworld, those were fairly easy by your standards

As I've said before, big fan of your level design - they are very satisfying to work through and solve! Replays attached, if you're interested.

Quote from: Armani on November 29, 2025, 10:02:23 AMIdeally players who have online features enabled could access level-pack data in a way similar to the style manager: they'd be able to browse available packs and download whichever packs and whichever optional extras they want.

I had the same idea a few years ago. I've always thought a dedicated downloader (which hosts all packs) would be a good idea. You'd just select the ones you want, hit "download", and get the latest versions of each. The same system can also then be used to keep all of your packs up to date (in a similar way to the style manager).

Even more ideally, engine updates would be handled via online downloads as well. The only issue with this is that players like to modify the gfx in their own copies, and there may be times when it would be necessary for a graphic to be updated, thus overwriting the user's copy. We'd need some way of detecting whether the target graphic is a mod. But anyways, that's for another topic.