Be aware for rule 1 to not simply save your level again under a different name, but also change the level ID so that both iterations have different IDs!

Just a little bump to remind you to play some levels and work on your nomination list. 

Welcome to another contest of the Lemmingsforums! This time the three rules have been picked by Colorful Arty, kaywhyn and Armani.

A few words to new participants and forum members: If you haven't entered before, I strongly encourage you to try - even if you don't win, it's fun to participate; and we have had cases where first-time entrants have won before! There are three choices of rules given, you may enter one level for EACH one of the rules.
You may either use NeoLemmix, or Lix.

RC/experimental NL builds aren't allowed, only the stable version of NL!

If you have more than one entry, they may (but do not have to) be for the same engine. Please make sure you tested your level for basic solvability before submitting and be sure to also submit any custom tileset you are using, so others have no problem playing your level.

Pre contest testing: You can choose 1-2 persons who do a bit of pre-testing for you, so that the biggest backroutes and screw-ups of your levels can be detected before the playing phase. I cannot control this so it's only a guideline, but still I would prefer not everyone knows every level before the playing phase starts.

Here are the rules on how the submission deadlines work:
- Initial submission phase deadline will extend such that it's 72 hours from the time of the last submission, up to the 5th submission (inclusive). After this it no longer changes no matter what.
- Update phase deadline will not extend over the initial dead line!
- Even if you missed the cutoff date for the initial submission phase, late entries are accepted until the update phase ends. There is no penalty for a late entry, beyond that people are less likely to spend as much time on the level before voting begins.

And here is the new ruleset:

Rule 1 (Colorful Arty):

- Make 2 levels using the exact same terrain and objects, but with different solutions.
- The skills given, lemming count, possible timers, save requirement and release rate can vary between them.
- One level cannot simply be a sub-level of the other -> The intended solution replay must not simply work for both levels and has to differ between them. This is to block users from simply giving, for example, +1 to every skill and call it a day for the second level.
- One solution does not have to be harder than the other, nor does one of them have to be an X-of-everything level.
- For the voting: Both levels will be voted on together as one entry.
- Be aware to not simply save your level again under a different name, but also change the level ID so that both iterations have different IDs!


Rule 2 (kaywhyn) - Let's make Lemmings Plus VII:

- Make a level with one of namida's LPVII tileset. Those tilesets are namida_crypt, namida_dungeon, and namida_organic. Pick ONE.
- You can use any skills except for the slider and laserer, as these skills weren't yet in NL when namida started work on this pack.
- Only objects found in the 3 LPVII tilesets listed are allowed. In other words, the 5 new object types introduced in 12.13 NL aren't allowed!
- In order to keep with the LPVII theme, the tileset you picked to make your R2 determines the music track you can use. There are 3 tracks for each style. They're all included in the zip file. That means eg, if you use namida_crypt to make your R2, you can only assign crypt1, crypt2, or crypt3 as the music for your level. Similarly, if you use namida_dungeon, you can only pick one of the three dungeon tracks for the music, and if you use namida_organic you can only pick one of the three organic tracks for the music. Pick ONE!

Rule 3 (Armani):

- Make a level with at most 10 skills where at least half of them are permanent skills.
- "Total skill count" counts here: So like 5 climbers and 5 miners is a viable option.

Submission phase ends May 10th 2025 at 00:00 UTC.

Ruleset in detail again: http://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=2246.0

Send me a personal message with your level/s and if needed tileset/s to participate. It would also be nice to also tell me the rule which each level satisfies.

Please use the following naming format:  User1_Levelname_R3V1.nxlv ---> Level "Levelname" by User1  for Rule 3  Version 1 of the level

Prize selection:

- Pick next contest's rules (the author of each level in the top 3 gets to select a rule)

Entries so far: 1

- Crane (1)

Rule distribution:

Rule 1 - 1
Rule 2 - 0
Rule 3 - 0

Here are my resolves. 

I am still unsure though if these are now indeed intended. 

Everything is in order now. 

I also attached the updated replays again that use the new IDs.

Thanks for the update. 

But after my test there seems to be 1 more instance of a double ID:

100 metres 13 and  100_metres 01 still have the same one.

All others seem fine now! 

As the nominations for LOTY are getting closer, I played through the pack and attached my replays. 

The difficulty rating is indeed justified and there are some really good puzzles in there! 

There were a few instances though that were a bit needlessly precise:
It was often not the amount of precision, but rather situations that do not need to be frustratingly precise to still translate the same level idea: One minute 1 and 9, 400 meters 7, 15 and 16, 200 meters 9 and 17 came to my mind.
200 meters 9 especially can be disgned more forgivingly/clerverly with that holding area! Getting that disarmer to go first cost me some nerves!

I checked quite a few solutions already with your videos and so far what I saw seemed good! There should be next to no backroutes in there, Armani and kaywhyn seem to already got most of them! 

One thing I noticed though while I was verifying my replays:

A ton of levels have the same level-IDs and therefore the replay checker does not work properly!

The "Queen's palace" levels and the repeats are to blame in this case. I guess you simply copied and saved the levels without assigning a new ID in the editor.

Will probably record my solutions soon. 

I will be away until thursday as I am on a buisness trip. 

You can't reliably state the next places after the top 3 in this format.

We would need to go into the 3 seperate results from the rule votings and here we would have 3 (or more) equal sencond places.

As then the final result post would tend to simply shout out most of the designers, my suggestion would be to give a general thanks to all participants by name in the results topic. That way everybody gets a mention.

Alright, I've put the result in the first post and according to it the top 3 qualify for LOTY. 

Quote from: Colorful Arty on February 16, 2025, 11:11:50 PMWow, I did not expect to win with this unreleased level I've had for 4+ years, but I'm honored! Thank you everyone who participated!

I'll have to think about a rule for next contest I guess. Is there a deadline for this? I won't have internet access from the 20th until the 2nd.

No strict deadline, I can wait until the start of March. No problem! 

Would only be good if you got your rule ready when you have internet access again.

Quote from: namida on February 16, 2025, 11:18:06 PMSo, the top three will always be one level from each rule, right (except perhaps in very specific edge cases with tiebreakers?).

If so, then IMO, from most to least preferred:

All three > 1st place only > None of them > 1st and 2nd place

Exactly.

2+ levels from a rule would be an edge case where even in the optional tiebreaker round we have a tie and then in the final round those 2+ levels would all do better than the ones from the other rules.

I want to clarify the "Note that levels that won a level design contest during the eligible timeframe get an automatic nomination, unless their author requests otherwise." point for LOTY as the runner-ups did also fall under the winner clause the last years.

So: Which levels of the top 3 shall automatically qualify for LOTY? I've put up a poll. 

Please see the main LOTY2024 topic for more details on LOTY2024. This topic is merely a list of nominations.

Colorful Arty

- "Snarled pipeline" (Contest #31 Winner, NeoLemmix)

Armani

- "Cheddar-Crusted Hash Browns" (Contest #30 Winner, NeoLemmix)
- "Guts Over Fear" (Contest #30 2nd place, NeoLemmix)
- "Caffeine Addiction" (Contest #31 3rd place, NeoLemmix)
- "Where Angels Dwell" (Holiday Lemmings 2024 - Daytime 24, NeoLemmix)

Dodochacalo

- "Rooftop Run" (Fiat Lem! - Scando 07, NeoLemmix)
- "Save Our Souls" (Fiat Lem! - Scando 09, NeoLemmix)
- "Hanging Gardens" (Fiat Lem! - Scando 18, NeoLemmix)
- "The Lemmings Survey Corps" (Fiat Lem! - Impero 10, NeoLemmix)

kaywhyn

- "All Your Skills Are Belong To Us!" (Contest #31 2nd place, NeoLemmix)
- "It's a Wet World!" (Contest #31 Entry, NeoLemmix)
- "To The CPU Terminal!" (Contest #31 Entry, NeoLemmix)

Eric Derkovits

- "Mosaic Lemmings" (Contest #30 3rd place, NeoLemmix)

David

- "Steel" (DavidLems - 100 metres 05, NeoLemmix)
- "Angkor temple" (DavidLems - 400 metres 19, NeoLemmix)

GigaLem

- "Chaos of the Holiday" (Festival Millas 2023 - Economy 04, NeoLemmix)
- "Lotus Road" (Festival Millas 2023 - Business 04, NeoLemmix)

92Dexter11

- "House of Fun" (Lemmings Faithful - Simple 03, NeoLemmix)

Mobiethian

- "The Lem Is Lost In The City" (Holiday Lemmings 2024 - Daytime 21, NeoLemmix)
- "The Lem is Home Alone" (Holiday Lemmings 2024 - Night 18, NeoLemmix)

Turrican

- "Space Program 10,000 B.C." (Levels by Turrican, NeoLemmix)

geoo

- "Just Mine" (single/geoo -  wrappy 06, Lix)
- "Roots of Life" (single/geoo - flowy 22, Lix)

Pieuw

- "Shelf-Control" (Fiat Lem! - Impero 04, NeoLemmix)
- "Forbidden Friendship" (Fiat Lem! - Impero 08, NeoLemmix)
- "Razing the Foundations" (Fiat Lem! - Scando 17, NeoLemmix)
- "Hypostyle Freestyle" (Fiat Lem! - Impero 06, NeoLemmix)

Strato Incendus

- "The Lem-catcher's song" (Lemmings: Hall of Fame - Bronze 18, NeoLemmix)

IchoTolot

- "Comm-Link Online!" (Contest #30 Entry, NeoLemmix)

Eligible Level Packs

This is simply a rough list of levels that are eligible. They have not nessecerially been nominated, and the majority probably won't be. Please note that this is probably not a complete list, especially in regard to Lix levels; if you can think of anything that should be added, let me know!

NL and Lix

geoo: geoo's Lix level pack, link is here - https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=6672.0

Level Design Contests: Level Design Contest #30, Level Design Contest #31

MASTER-88: MASTER-88 Lemmings World

GigaLem: Festival Millas 2023 (Released in Janurary 2024)

Strato Incendus: Lemmings: Hall of Fame

Solus: Xmas Lemmings 2024

Mobiethian: Holiday Lemmings 2024, Lemmings New Worlds, Lemmings Heritage

92Dexter11: Lemmings Faithful (Only levels in the Simple and Tricky ranks, as the 2 new ranks Safe and Treacherous were released in Janurary 2025!)

Pieuw and Dodochacalo: Fiat Lem! (Let there be Lemmings!)

David: DavidLems, also his 3 Prince of Persia levels from this topic:

https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=6656.0

LemFan: Lemmings Rundown

namida: Levels intended for Lemmings Plus VII (Link inside the Lemmings Plus topic)

AsahiNyan: TASLemmings

nin10doadict: Lemmings Squared 2.0 (Only newly added levels)

Turrrican: Mikes Lemmings Version 2 - Only new levels from 2024 (Should be V 1.07 onwards)! Levels released in 2024 in the "levels by Turrican" thread

The Levels by Turrican would be another level collection topic worth checking out.

edit March 2, 2025: Random Level Sharing topic link removed, as no levels were posted there in 2024! Thus, let's reduce clutter and eliminate as much confusion as to what's eligible for nomination for LOTY as much as possible