X-tralems levels

[lemmkeev20]

Maybe but that name implies that levels/packs outside of "random levels" and "X-tralems previews" won't be posted in this thread (e.g. the final finished "X-tralems" pack and collections of levels nominally called "packs") and and if you make a new thread for them Namida probably won't like that if that happens.... Although making a new thread for the final "X-tralems" finished release is to the best of my knowledge in accordance with the rules in the rules thread and Namida's own statements; as long as he doesn't deign the final finished release of the "X-tralems" pack a "nominal" pack. In fact if the "random levels" in your title includes "nominal packs" then that name should follow all the rules Namida has set out actually to the best of my understanding.

ok... ill think of a better name

[Silken Healer]

I think "lemmkeev20's one-off levels/nominal packs" should suffice.

[lemmkeev20]

I think "lemmkeev20's one-off levels/nominal packs" should suffice.

i don't really know... i think we should think some name ideas and them make a poll to add the name ideas to the poll...

and the winning name becomes this topic's name

thats a great idea isn't it?

if not, i think we should think name ideas

[Silken Healer]

I think "lemmkeev20's one-off levels/nominal packs" should suffice.

i don't really know... i think we should think some name ideas and them make a poll to add the name ideas to the poll...

and the winning name becomes this topic's name

thats a great idea isn't it?

if not, i think we should think name ideas

No, I don't think that's at all necessary. It was just a suggestion to fix the artefact left over by the fact this thread was seemingly for a specific pack and then Simon deigned this a thread for all your one-off levels and nominal packs and didn't update the name. My name is fine and everything a thread name needs to be.

[WillLem]

What's wrong with just using "X-traLems" as the title? It ain't broke, don't fix it.

[Silken Healer]

What's wrong with just using "X-traLems" as the title? It ain't broke, don't fix it.

I'll quote my other message in the thread where I explained the reason why,

seeing as "X-tralems" seems like it's the name of a specific level pack, and then Simon designated this thread to be a lemmkeev20's levels/nominal packs thread, should we rename this thread to that for the sake of clarity as the thread is no longer just for the "X-tralems" pack any more?

[Proxima]

It doesn't matter. And honestly, I think it's rather rude to take up so much of lemmkeev20's topic with posts that are nothing to do with their levels. Please just let them call the topic whatever they want.

[Silken Healer]

It doesn't matter

It does matter. Threads shouldn't be called something completely different to do with what they are. To give a metaphor, it would be like if we made a thread for sharing pictures of lemmings and we decided to change it to a thread for sharing pictures of all rodents and then we just forgot to update the name. It would be completely confusing. The thread only has an inaccurate name because Simon designated this a thread for a new thing from what it originally was and moved in posts from outside the thread that were that thing into here and forgot to update the name.

And honestly, I think it's rather rude to take up so much of lemmkeev20's topic with posts that are nothing to do with their levels.

I completley disagree with you that it is rude. It's not like threads have a post limit, I'm not "using up" any space a level could be posted in, and it seems perfectly reasonable to post about meta-information (e.g. the thread having a wrong title due to Simon forgetting/not thinking to update it when he designated it to be updated to the thread to be for all of lemmkeev20's levels and nominal packs) in the thread itself.

Please just let them call the topic whatever they want.

Someone being the author of a thread gives them some discretion over the title, quite a bit actually, sure, but it doesn't give them free reign to just call it whatever they want, as having an inaccurate title effects everyone else, not just themselves. Should I be allowed to make a thread for sharing pictures of hamsters and call it "Share pictures of Lemmings in this thread" and force everyone who uses it to go "I want to share hamsters, oh no, that's the thread for sharing Lemmings that has the wrong name" just because I created the thread?

[lemmkeev20]

uhh i think i should name the pack to "X-tralems corporation levels and packs" is it any better?

[IchoTolot]

I think the level topic is perfectly fine! 

It fits for single levels by lemmkeev20 and can also serve as a development topic if this turns into a finalised X-tralems pack.
If the pack comes out and this topic shall serve for futher single levels it can then still be renamed if necessary, but even that is optional.

We do not need to micro manage every single topic so the name fits 100% to the exact detail.

The most important thing is that not every new single level gets its own topic - that we achieved and the title of this topic also fits the current theme well enough.


So, let's not take this topic off topic and leave room for the actual levels from lemmkeev20! 

[Silken Healer]

uhh i think i should name the pack to "X-tralems corporation levels and packs" is it any better?

No. "X-tralems" isn't the name of any real corporation. If your using it as a stand for "lemmkeev20's" why not just say that? Also if it is, this includes non-nominal packs, which Namida did say you can make a new thread for. It's more accurate then your previous title I guess, but why can't we just use my name "lemmkeev20's levels/nominal packs"? That name is objectively the best name.

I think the level topic is perfectly fine! 

No it is not "perfectly fine." The current thread name is just an artefact of the fact that this thread was seemingly a thread for a pack named "X-tralems," and then Simon designated this to be a lemmkeev20's levels/nominal packs thread, and he just decided to move them all into this thread instead of just creating a new thread. I 100% promise you he would have just called it that if he made a new topic. The current title is not fit for purpose.

It fits for single levels by lemmkeev20 and can also serve as a development topic if this turns into a finalised X-tralems pack.

No it doesn't; it seems a bit odd for single-levels by lemmkeev20 to be posted in a title which would make it seem like it's a development topic for a pack that's in-progress.

If the pack comes out and this topic shall serve for futher single levels it can then still be renamed if necessary,

This currently serves as a topic for single levels, not just "shall serve for [them]" in the future if the pack comes out.

We do not need to micro manage every single topic so the name fits 100% to the exact detail.

This is not micromanging; this is a significant difference, not just "micromanagement." Simon designated this thread to be a lemmkeev20's levels/nominal packs thread, and it still has the old name from when it was just seemingly for a pack named "X-tralems."

and the title of this topic also fits the current theme well enough.

No it doesn't "fit the current theme well enough." The title of this topic would suggest that this is a development pack named "X-tralems," not what it actually is, which is a lemmkeev20's levels/nominal packs thread.

So, let's not take this topic off topic

I am not taking this topic off-topic. I think posting meta information about a thread in a thread such as the inaccurate title as an aterfact of the fact Simon designated this to be a lemmkeev20's levels/nominal packs thread, and he just decided to move them all into this thread, instead of just creating a new thread and not going to the Site Discussion board for just a "you forgot to rename the thread when you changed what the thread was" is completely reasonable and on-topic. If you think it's necessary move all of these posts to "Site Discussion" in a new thread, then you are free to do so, but I don't think that's necessary.

and leave room for the actual levels from lemmkeev20

As I said previously, I am not "using up any room" for lemmkeev20's levels. Threads don't have a post limit, and when the server's storage runs out Namida will upgrade it, so I'm not "using up any room." We have unlimited room.


Honestly I don't get why such a big discussion has spawned out of this. I thought this was just going to be a menial objectively good one-post house keeping duty, this thread was seemingly a thread for a pack named "X-tralems," and then Simon designated this to be a lemmkeev20's levels/nominal packs thread, and he just decided to move them all into this thread instead of just creating a new thread, and it still kept the old, no-longer accurate name. So now the thread had changed has it still kept the old name of the original thread all the posts were moved too so now just update it to what the thread now actually is. Simple. Done in 5 minutes. I don't get why this has spawned such a big discussion. I thought this would be an obviously objectively correct menial housekeeping change.

[IchoTolot]

To be honest, you are making the huge discussion here Silken.

I would highly advice to chill down a bit, take a step back and be less invested in another person's topic name.


You are missing the main point anyway:

lemmkeev20 can name this topic as he likes, regardless of the arguments you are making for a certain name or designation.

Yes, Simon may have merged without thinking too much about the name and now it may be less accurate, but now it's in the author's hand as no more rules are being violated.

I'll leave the name up to him. You have made a suggestion and it's on him to accept it or don't.

The main goal was just to avoid having a new topic for every single level released as this directly violates a rule. That has been achieved. Case closed.

[Silken Healer]

Him being the author of the topic gives him some authority, a lot even, but he still can't name it whatever he likes. By that logic, I make 2 bug reports in the Lix topic and swap their two names, so the topic named "Bug 1" describes bug 2 and vice versa, if I request they don't be changed and give no rhyme or reason for it would that be followed?

[IchoTolot]

Him being the author of the topic gives him some authority, a lot even, but he still can't name it whatever he likes. By that logic, I make 2 bug reports in the Lix topic and swap their two names, so the topic named "Bug 1" describes bug 2 and vice versa, if I request they don't be changed and give no rhyme or reason for it would that be followed?

Not to whatever he likes, yes, but the topic's name is completely in the realm of acceptable!

The rest is up to him.

Your argument with the bug topic is on a completely different level and you are comparing apples with pears as a saying in my region would state.
Of course those names would be changed reagardless to your stated request that they match them correctly, as you are also actively deceiving there.

And now let lemmkeev20 decide about the name and let it rest!

[Silken Healer]

It's not comparing apples and oranges, this is the basically same thing. This thread is for lemmkeev20's one-off levels and nominal packs and the title says it's just an In-Development topic for the "X-tralems" pack. Obviously it's not exactly, the point of an analogy is to compare another idea to a different similar idea to better illustrate the point, if it was exactly the same it wouldn't be an analogy, but it is basically the same thing. The only difference is the topic's title is a small subset of what the topic actually is, but I don't think that breaks the over all analogy that the topic title is inaccurate so we can change it without the author necessarily wanting it to be changed.

you are comparing apples with pears as a saying in my region would state.

We have that expression in England too actually but it's called "comparing apples and oranges" in England.