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Re: [DISC.][PLAYER] Appearance of neutral lemmings
« Reply #15 on: October 10, 2019, 11:02:11 PM »
how about if they were [same color as regular lemmings but] translucent?
(dimmed so background can slightly be seen through them). Though I doubt this is currently possible with how the game handles graphics(?)

This (or some method like this) would negate the whole issue of dealing with custom lemming sprites.
I also like the idea of them being same colors as the sprites of said style but just darker.
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Re: [DISC.][PLAYER] Appearance of neutral lemmings
« Reply #16 on: October 11, 2019, 07:50:43 AM »
That is 100% possible, if a bit CPU intensive, from a technical point of view. I don't know how well it would work in practice though.
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Re: [DISC.][PLAYER] Appearance of neutral lemmings
« Reply #17 on: October 11, 2019, 08:03:27 AM »
One more proposal.  Maybe a little ugly, but just like lemmings used to have the bomber countdown displayed overhead (back when they aren't instant), perhaps neutrals could simply look completely identical to regular lemmings, but permanently have an "n" displayed overhead where we would've used to display the bomber countdown.

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Re: [DISC.][PLAYER] Appearance of neutral lemmings
« Reply #18 on: October 11, 2019, 09:23:19 PM »
how about if they were [same color as regular lemmings but] translucent?
(dimmed so background can slightly be seen through them). Though I doubt this is currently possible with how the game handles graphics(?)

This (or some method like this) would negate the whole issue of dealing with custom lemming sprites.
I also like the idea of them being same colors as the sprites of said style but just darker.

just to be clear the last sentence was intended as another alternate suggestion; not translucent but darker (same colors just darker). Although it occurs to me this might look very (too) similar to zombies...
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Re: [DISC.][PLAYER] Appearance of neutral lemmings
« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2019, 01:24:27 AM »
I finally took a look at Crane's proposal in action - I quite like it to be honest. It's pretty much the clothes greyscaled, but the lemming otherwise appearing as normal. Only one color to worry about, that's good.

Yeah, I prefer this over my original color scheme. Unless there's strong objections or a competing proposal that's either similarly effective or really popular, I think I'll use Crane's proposal going forward. I might tweak the exact color a bit - I'll look at this closer another time - but the general idea, and the rough color, I mean.

EDIT: Integrated in commit b89aed4, and will be included in the next RC build update. Note that this doesn't mean the subject is closed yet - further discussion is still open and it may change again before the stable release.
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Re: [DISC.][PLAYER] Appearance of neutral lemmings
« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2019, 06:06:16 PM »
I'm definitely in favour of grey neutrals

The original proposal (ie: entire lemming is grey, different shades for different parts of the lemming) or Crane's (ie: lemming's clothes are grey, but hair etc remain normal color)?
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Re: [DISC.][PLAYER] Appearance of neutral lemmings
« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2019, 08:56:56 PM »
I'd prefer grey clothes, normal hair, where "normal" means "like a regular lemming of that type would have it". So an athlete has just blue hair and grey clothes, like in the example shown on the page before.
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Re: [DISC.][PLAYER] Appearance of neutral lemmings
« Reply #23 on: October 25, 2019, 06:18:11 PM »
The original proposal (ie: entire lemming is grey, different shades for different parts of the lemming) or Crane's (ie: lemming's clothes are grey, but hair etc remain normal color)?

I'd prefer them to only have grey dungarees, grey skin evokes associations with zombies or such for me.

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Re: [DISC.][PLAYER] Appearance of neutral lemmings
« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2019, 05:38:25 AM »
So, looks like Crane's proposal (with the aforementioned minor tweaks) is the way going forward. I've checked that this looks okay for all L2 / L3 styles.
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