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Offline GigaLem

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Good grief another late holiday release, I hope it doesn't continue being this way
Ladies and gents, I present to you

60 more levels in a pack, that you must get through to save christmas!
However its not an easy pack

Snuggly

"1st day of december" The 1st rank ranging in Fun-Tricky on difficulty

Shivering

"In due time....again" From this point the difficulty picks up ranging to Crazy-Taxing

Frigid

"Ironclad Peaks" What's this? a new tileset that doesn't look like it was made by a total newbie, Yep I made a new tileset all by myself (kinda) It comes with the pack for you to use.
For the difficulty however, Expect it to reach Taxing-Wicked

Glacial

"Frozen MeleMele Island" Asside from the obvious Alola region level here, Difficult is about Mayhem levels here

Krampus

"I'm dreaming of a GOLD xmas" The monster has come to claim the spot that is the last rank, Havoc rating and beyond levels from that point

DL Link(Luckily the Soundtack isn't as big this time)
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BTW, If you solved a level in a different way without backrouting it, Ask me to make it a talisman

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Neolemmix & its tools
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Looks very nice! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Will play it in the future, but right now I've got a lot of university stuff and other things to do. :(

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Be honest GigaLem, do you think this pack is too hard for me or would I have a chance at finishing it.

I don't want this pack to be abandoned half way through because I find it too hard :(

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NeoLemmix V10.12.12-C crashes on the very last level of the last rank. The error message reads:
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ObtainObject loop on "crystal_md:0". Please report this.

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NeoLemmix V10.12.12-C crashes on the very last level of the last rank. The error message reads:
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ObtainObject loop on "crystal_md:0". Please report this.
That's strange, because the tileset is in there and it loads fine for me

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Then it seems that it's ~ the same bug that happens with möbius contest level "Slaughterhouse".

We need further investigation here.....

EDIT: Is the background correctly chosen on it (by selecting a bg and not by a giant object)? --- I remember Flopsy made that mistake with similar results

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well the primary tileset was Glacier, so there's no background on it

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crystal_md is one of the Genesis variants of the default tilesets. Most likely, Nepster does not have a copy of this tileset, and does not have graphic set auto-downloading enabled (as this is an autodownloadable one). If this guess is correct, immediate solution is to either turn that option on, or to manually download crystal_md (either via browser or using the Download menu in the editor or Flexi) and place it in the "styles" folder.

Longer-term solution, GigaLem should include in his NXPs any graphic sets that aren't built into NL itself, even if they're auto-downloadable. This means any graphic set that isn't from L1, ONML, L2, L3 or the Lemmings Plus series, except for Xmas, Sega and Horror.
Okay, this doesn't make sense, upon inspecting the NXP's contents there is a copy of crystal_md in there, so the presence or lack thereof of crystal_md in the styles folder should not matter.

There have also been reports that this pack does not load properly on (privately released) experimentals for new NL versions. While I've yet to properly investigate (I'm about to do so now), I suspect that this is due to GigaLem preferring to manually overwrite the default Lemming sprites with the Xmas ones, rather than simply selecting in Flexi Toolkit to use Xmas sprites on all levels and updating to the NeoLemmix version that fixes the bug where this option did not work. Second possibility is the use of actual custom spritesets that are lacking some animations, most likely the Fencer.
« Last Edit: January 24, 2017, 05:06:56 PM by namida »
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Okay, I was close: The Xmas spriteset is indeed configured to be used (rather than overwriting the default one), but GigaLem has for some reason included a copy of them, with no Fencer graphic.

One solution would be to add the "xmas_fencer.png", "xmas_fencer_mask.png" and updated "xmas_scheme.nxmi" files from the default graphics download.

A better solution would be to remove the custom spriteset altogether, given that at least at a quick glance it doesn't appear to be any different from the normal versions of the Xmas sprites and as such there is no reason to include it in the NXP.



Regarding the issue with the final level: This is weird, because upon inspecting the NXP's contents, it does include a copy of crystal_md. I also don't get any crash upon playing this level, also using V10.12.12-C.
« Last Edit: January 24, 2017, 05:02:50 PM by namida »
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That was weird:
a) I already had the "crystal_md" style in my style folder. Then I selected "Enable Online Options" and "Enable Update Check" and the error still occured.
b) After selecting "Update Styles Automatically" NeoLemmix wanted to update the style "crystal_md". After doing so, the error vanished and the level loaded correctly.
c) Now I got curious and deleted the style "crystal_md" again from the styles folder. Interestingly the level still loaded fine.
d) Next I searched a bit for an outdated version of this style, found one and placed that into the styles folder. Surprisingly, everything still worked fine.
e) Finally I downloaded the NeoLemmix player again and placed it in some completely new directory and added a new copy of GigaLem's pack there. Again everything worked as desired with no error at all.
I really don't know where the bug was...

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Is it possible the version you had prior to this wasn't just out of date, but corrupted somehow?
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That's a possibility, but I don't play around with graphic styles, so I really wonder what could have corrupted a style file? And unfortunately the old style file got overwritten by the update tool, so I can't check and confirm whether this was the cause.

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Just informing you that this pack cannot load up any level at all and the game throws out this fatal error.
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That's strange, I have no problem with any level loading.

IE: 1st level (Snuggly) is called The 1st day of December. (red and green terrain, and a little bit of steel, no scrolling at all in level)
         Release Rate:50
         10 of 10 lemmings to be rescued
         10 walkers, 10 climbers, 10 floaters, 20 builders.

Locked exit with 4 buttons to press to open exit.

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Ok, for some odd reason the SYSTEM.DAT file didn't have anything in there when I opened it with FlexiTool. I added in the levels that I got from the nxpextractor, rebuilt the .nxp, and now everything works except for 1-6 and 5-11, where the game crashes when loading these two levels. They both complain that they cannot load kiwi.dat even though that style is inside the styles folder. If you have another kiwi.dat file, that'll be great. 
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I still don't understand this. Yes 1-6 and  5-11 both use kiwi but the only style I have in the style folder is lm_tundra.  both those 2 levels open for me. and I don't have a levels folder either.
Never had to use the NXPextractor.


anyways I uploaded the Gigalems 2016 to my Dropbox and then tested it in a new folder. It works so just make another Gigalems 2016 folder and download this rar file and extract it to the new folder.

Gigalems 2016 dropbox: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/okicywcxjnt4k55/AADAa7YkCaC4BEDti2uksd0ra?dl=1

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Ok, thanks. You might not had to, but the .nxpextractor is still quite helpful in order to see what's possibly causing the problem as well as to compare differences in the files. In your .nxp, there were way more files than the one I had, 150 compared to only around 115. It appears that the issue was related to the NL player I was using. v10.13 does work, but only after I rebuilt the .nxp and even then both 1-6 and 5-11 crashed due to complaining about not being able to load kiwi.dat. This likely means that the style hasn't been updated to work with the latest Old Formats version. However, yours uses v10.12.12-C, which doesn't cause any problems. In any case, my download had the exact same files as yours. It seems that it was simply a NL player version incompatibility, where upon loading with v10.13 that it threw a warning that the pack hasn't been tested and that one should use v10.12.12-C. Tried looking for this NL player version, but I can't find it anywhere. Thanks for this.

Indeed, I tested my download of the pack and used your NL player. Everything loads just fine. This therefore confirms that there's nothing wrong with my download. Just that it doesn't work on the latest Old Formats NL player and that the version to use is 10.12.12-C. It's quite a specific one. Thanks again.

@Gigalem Played the first level and all I can say is wow, the pack's already starts off brutally difficult. Will report back later with how I get on.

Edit: First level solved. Nope, it's not that hard at all, but the fact that the pack already starts off harder than normal should be a big sign that this pack is much harder than your Holiday 2015 pack which I just finished solving last week. I apparently haven't learned my lesson from LPI :crylaugh: Anyway, I'll continue later on in several hours as it's quite late where I am.
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Ok, I'm currently up at Shivering 6, and it appears we have a case of an impossible level. Either that or I'm just a dumb dumb. I would like to think it's the former. Darn shame, because this was a pretty good pack up until I hit this seemingly impossible level before my eyes.

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I guess with this I'm not going to be playing anymore of the pack until I'm told that it's indeed solvable or when it's fixed if it turns out to be indeed impossible. Along with this, it would be nice to get confirmation of if any other levels are impossible as well. 
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Did a quick fix to shivering 6, new link in first post.
edit:I had to fix the link since I uploaded the wrong file

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Thanks for the quick fix, Gigalem! :thumbsup: I have confirmed that Shivering 6 is now possible, so I can continue with the pack. If you can check the other levels in the pack past Shivering 6 and confirm solvability that would be great as well. However, I understand that you're currently busy getting your Millas stuff ready for release, and so no worries if you can't. It's just that I hate to be hit later on with another impossible level, so confirmation from you would be nice. This is a great pack and I'm enjoying it quite a lot ;)
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Season greetings, everyone! Back to play another Christmas pack. I recently solved all of Gigalem's 2015 Holiday pack. Now I'm doing the follow-up pack, Gigalem's Holiday 2016 pack.

All rightie, I have solved up through the third rank. I'm back with some replays. The zip file contains my replays from Snuggly 1 up through Frigid 12. Except for Shivering 6, which you have already fixed, everything so far is solvable. That just leaves 24 levels that need checking to see if they are still possible. So really, I have already done most of the work for you :P

This is a really great pack so far. Definitely better and only slightly harder than your previous one, your 2015 Christmas pack which I recently solved everything. Then again, this is just for the first three ranks. I still need to do the final two ranks.

Snuggly Rank Feedback (click to show/hide)

Shivering Rank Feedback (click to show/hide)

Frigid Rank Feedback (click to show/hide)

24 more levels to go! I'm really enjoying the pack ;) Great job so far. I will post again when I finish the rest of the pack.
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It has been done. All 60 levels solved, and, except for Shivering 6 which was impossible due to an oversight and went unnoticed for almost 4 years since the pack's release (mostly because no one has played through the pack, and so I couldn't had known about the level being impossible) and has since been fixed by Gigalem, I have confirmed that the pack is 100% possible. All 60 of my replays are attached. I've already given feedback on the first 3 ranks, so this post will be for the last 2 ranks.

For the most part, I felt the levels got easier after the Frigid rank. In contrast to the Frigid rank, the Glacial rank overall was easier, but it still took a while to get through it. The Krampus rank itself is definitely the most difficult rank of the pack, mostly due to a lot of the levels being huge. It's also the final rank, so it makes perfect sense.

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Krampus Rank Feedback (click to show/hide)

Overall, an excellent pack which I definitely like way more than your Holiday 2015 pack. The Holiday 2015 pack was great too, but your Holiday 2016 pack is even better IMO. These levels were far more satisfying to figure out and solve. I believe with the completion of solving this pack, I have now played all of your very old packs for Old Formats or older. I will be giving your Festival Millas packs a look-see soon! The ones that are released I haven't played at all yet. 
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