Hi Simon,

that is a good point. Fizzles will probably not go in the direction of a Lix/NeoLemmix-style rewind or savestate system. At the moment, I see it more as a forward-moving mobile-first puzzle game, closer in spirit to replaying and improving the solution rather than editing the past.

That said, some of the problems you mentioned are already being addressed in a different way.

I have now uploaded a new version of the demo on itch.io that includes several changes influenced by your feedback:

https://hpwsoft.itch.io/fizzles

Fizzles now fall vertically. The earlier horizontal movement while falling caused unwanted behavior, especially with floaters, where Fizzles could drift out of the visible level area. Vertical falling feels more predictable and fits the mobile-first direction better.

The selection behavior has also been improved. A selected Fizzle can now stay selected across harmless state changes, such as walking to falling, falling to walking, landing, or turning. This should reduce unnecessary timing pressure without adding a full pause or rewind tool.

I also added a short level information board after the intro. It shows the total number of Fizzles and the number that must be rescued. This should make the goal clearer before the actual gameplay starts and should make the HUD easier to understand.

The digging area has also been adjusted for better readability. The idea is still that the grass layer disappears and the underlying platform/rock material becomes visible, but the freshly opened path should now be easier to recognize.

For the public release, I am considering difficulty levels before starting a level. These could affect the overall pace of the level, from slower and more relaxed to faster and more challenging. Depending on how fair and playable that feels, a time limit could also become part of higher difficulty settings later.

So instead of solving mistakes through rewind, I am currently looking at error prevention and readability: clearer onboarding, preserving selection, predictable falling, configurable pacing, clearer level goals, improved visual feedback, and level design that avoids unfair timing traps.

Thank you again for these detailed observations. Your feedback already had a direct influence on the updated demo. That is exactly why I want to stay close to the community while building Fizzles: the demo shows the foundation, but the best solutions will come from testing, discussion, and iteration.

You're welcome!

Even if you re-solve these design problems, it will be worthwhile to see your solutions. You have different constraints than the existing games. And you may well find a solution that blows everything out of the water, and we should all copy it.

For example: Lix and NeoLemmix have savestating frameworks for fast rewinding. That's for manual rewinding to undo a mistake, or for history editing, or to allow the multiplayer mode to react to delayed packets. Maybe you'll decide upfront that you don't need savestating. Your design choices for error prevention must now make sense in a world that can only ever go forward. Compared to Lix/NeoLemmix, this will be a new design restriction. Looking forward to your solutions!

-- Simon

I'll come back to the smileys this Monday, May 25th.

-- Simon

Then you might be interested in my recent LPs, as I've done a complete LP of L1, ONML, and Holiday Lemmings 1994, all for the Amiga. I made sure to point out the differences between the Amiga and Dos versions of the levels if I remembered to

As for Genesis Present and Sunsoft ranks, as far as I'm aware, no, no one has yet done a Reverse Edition of those ranks/levels. So, feel free to make your own take of such a pack concept for them! I also recently did a live stream of the entire port, including showcasing the 2-Player levels!  

Im not are check out this channel in few weeks. Is Step 4 goes too hard?

If you need some help about tricks or etc.. I´ll answer. Step 4 & 5 contains some unique stuffs all around.

Step 4 is still much easier overall. Step 5 is just Pure hell.   Its contains maybe most hardest lemmings levels you can ever imagine. 

Wish luck if anyone could beat this pack. Im not are make 1.01 version yet. I´ll work it. Its will at least patch few backroutes steps 1-3 and add some new talismans.

Thanks for the explanation kaywhyn, I was not even aware of the differences between DOS and AMIGA version of the game.

Can you confirm that the Present and Sunsoft ranks in the Genesis version of the game have not been reversed by previous people here ? If so, I'd like to work on that if time allows.

Quote from: ericderkovits on May 22, 2026, 12:39:00 AMLemmings also get trapped at the ceiling not only in Retrolemmini, but also SuperlemminiToo

Yeah, to be clear I'm not saying it should be changed, but I noticed it happening a few times now and it was interfering with a solution i tried for the level (although I worked out how to complete the level without this)

Lemmings also get trapped at the ceiling not only in Retrolemmini, but also SuperlemminiToo

@Guigui

You didn't link to the topic for the Class Edition Reverse Lemmings pack properly, but that one is by WillLem and is for the most part identical to Colorful Arty's NL pack, except he uses the Amiga version of the levels instead of the Dos ones like Colorful Arty does. Meaning, a lot of the levels that lack the water across the bottom on Dos will be present in WillLem's pack because it's there on the Amiga version. However, Colorful Arty's New Formats NL version is pretty much a remastering of his Old Formats and SuperLemmini version of the packs and hence can be thought of as an entirely new pack even though all the levels are the same in them. It's also a completely separate pack from WillLem's version even though they both contain the same levels.

TLDR: Playing through both of them are worth the time!

@Guigui

Congratulations on clearing the pack! Indeed, as mentioned the Bonus levels were originally in both the Retro and Avant-Garde ranks and are simply the 3 hardest levels from those ranks. I was one of the pre-testers for this pack, as were Niesch and joshescue. From what I remember, I was able to clear both ranks save for one level in the Avant-Garde rank (Avant-Garde 10 from what it sounds like based on your feedback) before Armani released the pack. Same thing with the Bonus levels, but that was more I didn't get a chance to play them much as I was busy with my Lemmings World Tour LP at the time IIRC.

The hardest Bonus rank levels for me were Bonus 1 and 2, with the latter I really made a miss of the solution

Regarding Bonus 6, nice to know one of my contest levels that you played and solved earlier this year helped you with this one!

As for another pack to play, I highly suggest and recommend WillLem's Lemminas and its sequel Lemminas 2. Both are on the easy/medium side for the most part, with the latter intended to be easier and also the smaller pack of the two.