Quote from: Simon on September 15, 2026, 05:42:42 AMLemmings 1 runs at 17 physics updates per second, I believe NL is the same. You get more work done in 1 NL second than in 1 Lix second. Lemmings 1 takes about 3.1 seconds to first spawn. That allows you ~3,007 physics updates in NL after first spawn.

Correct, NL is pretty much based off of Dos, so yes, 17 frames a second.

QuoteLix runs at 15 physics updates per second, first spawn is at 60 ticks, and C++ Lix (from year 2016) counts time limits starting from 30 ticks. If we insist on 3 minutes at normal Lix speed, C++ Lix would have allowed 2,670 ticks after first spawn, which is 2,730 ticks from the artificial zero 4 seconds before spawn.

Thanks for the info

QuoteNepster's reference solution takes 2,739 to win and even has a manual nuke at 2,808. That wouldn't have passed under the strict 2,730 tick 3-minute bar. You were faster at 2,662, you proved it's possible to put 2,730 into the title and still have it doable, but Nepster's reference replay would fail to solve. What to do?

Let's put 3,000 into the title? Round number, and it's only 3.5 seconds tighter than Lemmings 1's 3 minutes. The reference replay accomplishes it comfortably with 17 seconds to spare. And everybody else's solution passes, too.

I'll change the 3,180 in the commit to 3,000.

Yea, I would agree there with 3,000 as a good solution here for the Time Out level. We can always change it back or to something else later on if Nepster ever returns in the future and clarifies what the time limit should be used for the level. It's also not a big deal if it's necessary to slightly tweak Nepster's replay to have a replay proof for the level again, but yea, there isn't really any reason why we need to break anyone's replay solution here because it doesn't finish on time for the level, especially if they all finish within the same tick range.

Ah, you have indeed mentioned tweaker specifically and not the rewind to previous feature, and I did have a feeling you meant the one where a menu opens to tweak assignments, which is exactly like the replay edit mode of NL

Quote from: Simon on September 15, 2026, 04:29:25 AMConsider: You got your feature that I don't like but you claim is better. Now it's your turn to give feedback to what you don't like but I claim is better. You're already predisposed to tell me what sucks about the tweaker. This is the best way for me to get feedback.

I think there's a misunderstanding here. Nowhere have I said that the Lix tweaker isn't good or that I dislike it (same goes with NL's replay edit mode). Rather, I acknowledge that the tweaker is available in Lix, I simply choose not to use it when I play Lix and that I have a preference for using the hotkeys for the other various functions here because it feels more natural to me and how I'm very used to playing Lix/NL this way. The simplest answer being is that I'm one of those players who prefers to not bring up a menu during gameplay because it feels like it slows me down more than it should. Thus, it's preference more than anything and my gameplay style. Also, I generally have to do things in a very specific way, as doing otherwise doesn't usually go down well for me. Hence why I kind of say it can appear I exhibit OCD-like traits

As a matter of fact, I have probably only used NL's replay edit mode a few times ever, so I almost never use that either, simply because I don't feel the need to as well and again, I prefer not to bring up a menu during gameplay. Also, when I play NL, I generally prefer clicking the skills with the mouse rather than using the hotkeys to do so. Guess who's going to be in a lot of trouble for the Lix multiplayer session next month Nah, I will have my skills hotkeys ready before then, as was advised to me

As a side note, I believe there is a topic on the General Discussion board on what browser people prefer using. I answered that I use Firefox and that I generally prefer clicking with the mouse to browse rather than using keyboard shortcuts. Again, my preference even though yes, I understand what you meant that the latter should be a much better and far faster way to browse the web It's also that I'm far too used with clicking instead of keyboard shortcuts

So yes, I'm weird like this, as sometimes I prefer clicking, other times I prefer keyboard shortcut      

Anyway, I still plan to uphold my end of the deal and get video footage of the Lix tweaker, especially after what you've done for me to help with my last few NepsterLix video streams      

Sunday, September 13, 2026 stream is over, and I'm happy to say that after a few weeks of streaming, I have now solved all of NepsterLix! My entire replay collection is attached, including for the Outtakes rank that I didn't post last time. Here, I will post my feedback for Outtakes, as I didn't do that last time either.

Outtakes Rank Feedback

A Move on the Roof - Nice level to start off the rank. Looks difficult but it's not as bad as it looks despite the situation they're in at the very start and the high release rate.

The Flight - Nice variant of a builder trick but with the batter instead! It's kind of easy to deduce the solution, given that the lack of the floater sort of leads one to discover the main trick of the level sooner or later. Also it requires players

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to know that being flung by the batter resets the fall distance in order to help Lix survive otherwise fatal falls.

I figured out the solution fairly quickly, so after that it was a matter of executing it properly. Luckily, resources aren't tight at all, though I didn't realize until later that I was making an unnecessary sacrifice at the start. Once I stepped back a bit, then the solution was clearer to me.

The Shortcut - Not hard at all and probably a backroute, so maybe that's why the level's in the Outtakes rank?

Poor Wee Creatures - Twin Edition - This level is in NepsterLems, I think the Neutron Star rank? For some reason, the level feels a lot easier in NepsterLix, though given the solution I used, losses added up much quicker than I thought they would. Even then, I didn't feel the save requirement was too much of a problem in any way. Probably just the fact the Lix version gives platformers is what makes the level easier compared to the NepsterLems version, which sticks to classic 8 skills only.

It's hero time again! - 1min - Also in NepsterLems, where it also has a 1 minute time limit, as the level title is kind of a throwback to being a Mayhem 3 type level: 99RR and 1 minute time limit, with the only thing that doesn't make it Mayhem 3-like is the fact you're allowed to lose 1. My solution here does fulfill 15n + 30, though it seems that Lix D uses 15n + 45 instead, so either way my solution finishes on time (according to running the replay in Lix, the save requirement got met at 875 ticks [icon turned green] and exits out at 881 ticks.

We all fly down - Quite possibly the hardest level in the entire Outtakes rank outside of the final 3 levels which are much harder repeats of 5-of-all levels. I was stuck here for a while, though it seems I simply just had the mistake of when and where to assign the blocker and second digger in order to

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make a step so that the others who are still yet to spawn don't splat, as it's really slow. Also that was a really nice touch that the digger needs to go all the way down before bashing, and that she needs to release the others that are trapped in the pit at the bottom

Here, Lix autosaves my replay for the level as being the 11th level of the rank by prefixing with an 11 even though it's listed as the 6th level in the order.X file for the rank. As such, all my other replays in the order are shifted over a spot. Looks like an accidental misnumbering of the level file name there, as it's prefixed with an 11 instead of a 6.

Just a quickie - 30sec Also in NepsterLems with a 30 second time limit. I revisited this level after solving all of the Outtakes rank to get a new solution that does finish under the 15n + 30 formula, as that was what I was going by with the time limit levels. As such, the solution also finishes under the 15n + 45 formula. Think I remember doing something slightly different in the NL version though it's pretty close to my second Lix solution IIRC. Here, my second solution has the icon turn green at 451 ticks, so it does seem it should be possible even under the 15n formula (just 1 tick over).

edit: Yup, it is (3rd replay attached), where the icon turns green at 405 ticks and the last required Lix fully exits by around 416 ticks.

Time Out - 3min - This level is also in NepsterLems but there it has a 3 minute time limit just like the title says here for NepsterLix. Even though the level file itself says 210 seconds, not sure if the level title should reflect that or 3mins instead to match the NL version. However, as Simon has mentioned, it's better if the level title mentions the number of ticks, and I agree with this change for the next update.

Anyway, revisited this level as my original solution would time out. Here, the icon turns green at 2662 ticks and hence the last Lix required to be saved fully exits by around 2673 ticks. Thus, if going by the 3 minute time limit, this finishes under 2730 ticks by the 15n + 30 formula and therefore also finishes on time with the 15n + 45 formula.

Big Ice Block - The Challenge Repeat of 5-of-all 2 but reduced to a 1-of-everything skillset instead of the original 5-of-everything. Much harder as a result, though my solution uses a lot of pixel precision. I checked Nepster's replay and it is so much easier!

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For whatever reason, I keep forgetting about runners being able to jump much farther than a walker!

Stopping Stones - The Challenge Repeat of 5-of-all 4 but this time the skillset is reduced to a 3-of-everything from the original 5-of-everything. Wow, what an amazing but really hard level, though I once again made it much harder than it needed to be, after checking Nepster's replay!

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Ok, so it's still possible to stay at the bottom entirely. So, my comment that you need to go over the top as much as possible is moot, though hey, got to give me credit for a really outside the box thinking and solution here!

Lots of Small Tasks - The Challen. - Repeat of 5-of-all 13 with the same 5-of-everything skillset but made much harder with a much higher save requirement. Before I looked at the level for the very first time in the stream, I kind of had the feeling the skillset would be the same Ok, great level to finish off the pack on and one in which it didn't take me as long as I thought it would, probably because I was really thinking on how to do the subsections very efficiently and was spot on for the most part. I even save more than the requirement in the end! Very satisfying to solve I must say!

FYI, this level is in NepsterLems but as a 10-of-everything level in the Moon rank.

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I revisited two earlier levels after solving Outtakes 11, On the Edge of Death (Sun 16) and Gray Walls (Black Hole 2), in order to beat them under the time limit that's present in the NepsterLems version. The former has a 1 minute time limit, while the latter has a 2:30 time limit. Currently, Sun 16 is impossible to beat under the 1 minute time limit, as the last Lix doesn't spawn on time and still has a bit of walking distance to reach the exit before the 930 ticks is reached. The problem is simply due to not being able to adjust the spawn interval at any point during gameplay.

For the latter, my original solution would time out, but my new replay finishes on time. Here, icon turns green at 2237 ticks and the last Lix required to fully exit at around 2248 ticks, which is under 2280 ticks by the 15n + 30 formula and therefore this also finishes in time under the 15n + 45 formula.

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All right, after a few weeks of streaming NepsterLix and 3 years after I had solved all of NepsterLems, I have now solved all of NepsterLix too! Wow, despite being many times harder than NepsterLems IMO, still an amazing level pack by Nepster here with NepsterLix! So, guess I haven't lost too much of my touch with Nepster's levels after all this time even though there were some solutions I couldn't remember for a time, as well as despite how some of these levels are new to me due to not being in NepsterLems.

Quote from: Simon on September 12, 2026, 07:42:09 AMYou mowed through all the hard maps. Congratulations.

Thank you!

QuoteHouse of the Mad Trickster: Nepster's replay will still solve the level even if we

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cover the rectangular hole's entire ceiling with buzzsaws. Climbers will now die in the rectangular hole. Reason to implement this change: The level will feel more honest; deadly nooks are deadly.

I'll implement this change.

Quote from: Simon on September 14, 2026, 09:56:43 PMThanks, it's a good suggestion to write the tick count directly into the title. That removes the guesswork for how much time passed in older Lix versions before the first spawn when Nepster made the levels. It turns out that levels started at 30 ticks, then 2 seconds passed until the first spawn at 60 ticks, and these 2 seconds counted against your time limit. (Nowadays, singleplayer levels start at 45 ticks and multiplayer at 0 ticks.)

Lix doesn't support time limits any more, but Lix shows the current number of ticks in the tweaker, and that makes ticks the best unit of time for the title. I'll earmark changing seconds/minutes to ticks in the titles for the next release.

-- Simon

Agree here with making the change to the level and also with mentioning the number of ticks in the level titles for those that were intended to have a time limit

Quote from: Forestidia86 on September 14, 2026, 01:58:00 PMand my suggestion with "Time Out" would be 3180 since the level would give 210s time limit.

I already mentioned it earlier, but the NepsterLems version of the level has a 3 minute time limit.

Quote from: kaywhynTime Out - 3min - This level is also in NepsterLems but there it has a 3 minute time limit just like the title says here for NepsterLix. Even though the level file itself says 210 seconds, not sure if the level title should reflect that or 3mins instead to match the NL version.

Anyway, happy to out with my feedback for pack authors and to be able to help Simon out with providing Lix feedback! Thanks for the update to the rewind to previous feature for the 0.10.35 Lix release. Still need to get the approximately 30 minute video footage to you of how I use it, but that will be at some point in the future when I'm able to get to it. I currently have a lot going on and hence I can't guaranteed I'll be quick with getting Simon my video. Anyway, I of course will let him know when I have it unlisted on my channel

Stream is over and was on Sunday, September 13, 2026:

https://youtube.com/live/2q3-UCV7PrM?feature=share

Sorry again for the very late and last minute notice, but I'll be streaming NepsterLix in an hour, Sunday, September 13, 2026, 5PM PST (00:00 UTC). I was going to make the announcement earlier, but I was busy replacing my laptop speakers with the new ones that arrived at my house earlier today, which I set out to do after I got home from lunch with my father. Took longer than it should had, but only because I was a dumb dumb and wondered what had happened to the T5 Torx screwdriver, as I couldn't find it even though I knew I put it somewhere on my bed sheet cover. I spent a few minutes looking for it, because I won't be able to put the laptop cover back on without it! I eventually did find it, and it turns out it was really well hidden in a fold of the bed sheet cover. Well, I better make sure I put it aside in a small bowl next time, just like I did with the screws! That way I guarantee I can find it later on!

Anyway, the aim is to finish up the rest of the pack. I was able to get Outtakes 10 solved offline last night, so it will be a show the solution to the level and then we move on to the final level of Outtakes 11. If I finish early enough, then I think what I will do is revisit the levels that have a time limit in NepsterLems, as I believe some of my Lix solutions will time out. However, it would be necessary to know the formula for converting between seconds and ticks. Is it the same as when it used to be referred to as phyu? If so, then it should be 15n + 30 as stated in the NepsterLix level pack topic. Somewhere else, I saw 15n + 45. So, conflicting info, because here, either the first spawn is after 2 seconds or 3 seconds.

Anyway, see you there if you're able to make it. Sorry again that it's such short notice!

Friday, September 11, 2026 stream is over, and while I didn't manage to finish up the rest of the pack as I thought I would, I managed to solve the remaining 3 levels of the Black Hole rank, Final Frustration that in its own Final rank rather than the 21st Black Hole level like it is in NepsterLems, and finally the first 9 levels of the Outtakes rank. Here, I'm only going to attach my entire Black Hole rank and Final Frustration replays. I'll post my entire NepsterLix replay collection, including my replays for the Outtakes levels, next time when I beat the remaining 2 Outtakes levels Same thing with the feedback for the Outtakes levels, I'll post that next time as well.

For the remaining 3 Black Hole levels, both A Night in Lixtown and House of the Mad Trickster were new to me, though the former is of course a repeat of Sun 20 - Dawn in Lixtown and Black Hole 7 - A Day in Lixtown. I more or less used the exact same solution as the one for Sun 20, though Black Hole 19 felt a bit harder because I think the spawn interval is a bit higher here. Nice level even if I think my solution is a bit of a backroute

For Mad Trickster, probably a bit of a backroute as well. Still a nice level, even if it was one I thought would take me a while

The Deadly Rooms of Lix - Definitely not the solution I used in NepsterLems, though my NL solution was a bit hackish from what I remember. I think my NepsterLix solution is a bit of a backroute as well, as the intended solution probably seems a bit more elegant.

Finally, Final Frustration in NepsterLems took me about 2 hours of hashing things out before I finally solved it. It's definitely the hardest X-of-everything level I ever played but it's a pretty good one IMO! Here for NepsterLix, it didn't take me anywhere near as long, though it still took quite some time. I could had done the far left entrance more efficiently, and indeed I completely forgot about the blocker which I meant to free much earlier than I did in my eventual solution, but luckily it was still salvageable. Thank goodness, as it would had sucked so much to have to redo so much of the level!

The only levels that remain unsolved for me are Outtakes 10 (attempted but a no solve) and Outtakes 11 (this one not attempted yet). These final two levels are repeats of a 5-of-all level but made much harder. Outtakes 9 is also one, though I was able to solve this level in my stream. So, looks like I'll finish up the rest of the pack next stream. I'm thinking Sunday, but it all depends on how long it takes me to get Outtakes 10 solved. Once I succeed, then it should just be a quick show the solution and then we move on to the final level of the pack. I had a quick look after I quit Outtakes 10 and just from the save requirement alone it already sounds really hard. I don't yet know if the skillset is the same, though it wouldn't surprise me if it's not a 5-of-everything like the original. Both Outtakes 9 and Outtakes 10 aren't 5-of-everything levels like the original in the 5-of-all rank, so it's reasonable to guess that Outtakes 11 isn't one either, as it is a repeat of a 5-of-all level.

All rightie, one last post next time when I solve all of the pack and post my entire replay collection!    

Stream is over and was on Friday, September 11, 2026:

https://youtube.com/live/dkFJCb7qjFQ?feature=share

Nice, I'll try and be there! First-timer and new-comer

@Simon

I'm just posting to acknowledge that I've downloaded the newest version of Lix and got a chance to try out the new, tweaked rewind to previous feature before I stream in about an hour. Thanks, setting it to -2 did the trick! So, I'm all set and ready for streaming!

Also, thanks for featuring my Lemming King Forums avatar in the image in the above post The avatar is courtesy of WillLem who made it for me from about 4 years ago when I was pondering what my avatar should be, as I've been avatarless for about 2 years ever since I first started posting to the site back in 2020! Well, I pitched the Lemming King idea to him, just because of the huge amount of Lemmings level packs I've cleared, and he happily obliged with making one for me!        

Quote from: lemchip on September 11, 2026, 09:11:26 PMIt is interesting that it's possible, but then why not just make him a stoner INSTEAD of a blocker?

Quote from: Guigui on September 11, 2026, 09:14:26 PMBlocker and stoner are definitely not the same skill. For instance in this particular level, the blocker needs to be walked on at some point. There are lots of other differences.

Yup, there are crucial differences between the blocker and stoner skills that not only set them apart from one another, but certain things will only work by being a blocker first before stoning it later. In the particular LPA level Guigui refers to, the other thing that separates the blocker from the stoner is the former turns others skills and they continue in the other direction rather than stopping, which the latter doesn't! Yes, it makes a turnaround point for Lemmings when you stone on ground level, but unlike the blocker, it doesn't turn Lemmings and make them perform skills in the other direction when the skill hits the stoner!

Before this LPA level, namida first made an LPO2 (Lemmings Plus Omega 2) level with an interesting application of the interaction. I won't spoil which level it is other than it's a level in the Sharp rank if you're interested in checking it out @Guigui

Also @Guigui, in addition to the bomber/stoner, besides the permanent skills, the only other skill you can assign to the blocker is the walker skill to free it. This last one comes from Lemmings 3/Lemmings Chronicles, so NL is simply copying the behavior here of being able to assign the walker skill to a blocker to free it.

@Simon

Sounds good to me! I can't guarantee that I'll get the approximately 30-minute video footage to you quickly afterwards, but I'll do what I can, whenever I can!

All rightie, next NepsterLix stream will be Friday, September 11, 2026 at 4PM PST (23:00 UTC). This will very likely be the final stream, as there's 15 levels remaining (3 Black Hole levels, 1 Final level, and a full rank of 11 Outtakes levels). It's been a blast playing through the pack ever since I first started, and while there have been some solutions that I have forgotten, it doesn't really matter, as given enough time I'm able to solve the level. Needless to say, I haven't lost too much of my touch with Nepster's levels even after all this time, despite how NepsterLix is many times harder than NepsterLems IMO.

See you there if you're able to make it!  

Wednesday, September 9, 2026 stream is over, and I solved 12 more levels of the Black Hole rank. Replays attached.

The new levels that aren't in NepsterLems are A Day in Lixtown, Cross the Red Line, and Very Derailed Level. The first one is a repeat of Dawn in Lixtown, which is the Sun rank finisher. The former is much harder as a result but it has an excellent solution and is one of my favorites! I backrouted the original I believe.

Cross the Red Line should be a backroute, though I had another solution that would had worked except the climbers would climb a high wall and splat. I think it might had still been salvageable though with a minor tweak. I'll have to check. edit: Yup, it works, alternative replay included.

One Minute of Action is currently quite broken in NepsterLix, even without the 1 minute time limit like in NepsterLems. I do believe I backrouted the level more or less the exact same way like I did in NepsterLems.

Very Derailed Level is credited to Insane Steve/Nepster. Wow, really hard level, and in several of my attempts near the end I was fighting with a timing based solution that I couldn't pull off but that the level was actually solvable the entire time had I let it play out some more in the end I don't know if my solution is intended, especially with the way

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the basher was able to remove the thin wall as well so that you kill two birds with one stone here

The remaining 9 levels are in NepsterLems as well. I had to use a different solution for 9/11 in NepsterLix, as once again staircases aren't possible like they are in NL.

A Sunny Day in April felt easier here in NepsterLix than in NepsterLems for some reason. For the latter, it's definitely fitting for the Black Hole rank, as it's one of the hardest levels of the rank/pack IMO.

Mining the Rainbow is Mining Company in NepsterLems, is Black Hole 9 there, and is the level that namida stopped at in his LP of NepsterLems from back in I believe 2017 or so. This means he got about halfway through the final rank and had 13 levels left for NepsterLems. He has not gone back to solve the rest of the pack since. Yea, I can absolutely understand why namida got stumped on this level in NepsterLems. I too struggled with it from when I first played it in 2023. It too is definitely fitting for the Black Hole rank, as it's one of the hardest levels but one of the best of the pack IMO! Here, I had trouble with the execution, which I don't remember having too much execution trouble with the level in NepsterLems.

HangLix is quite possibly the hardest level of the Black Hole rank, but only because it's very fiddly to get right no matter how you approach it. Like Icho, it's not one of my favorites of NepsterLems, though I largely have myself to blame for really overcomplicating the solution there. On the other hand, the NepsterLix version didn't seem as bad, but it's still very finnicky to do. It's remade in the L1 Pillar set in NL, meaning it has the slow rope trap just like the slow trap here in the Lix version, but they aren't as slow as you might think

Finally, Operation Overlord is credited to Crane/Nepster. Crane has a level called Deep Freeze, and someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe Nepster's level is based on Crane's level. I don't remember having much trouble with the splat height on the right side in the NepsterLems version. This really irritated me here in NepsterLix, as I kept needing to readjust it plenty of times until they didn't splat anymore. In any case, it's just as hard here as in NepsterLems.

3 Black Hole levels left, 1 level in its own Final rank, and a full Outtakes rank of 11 levels are all that's left! I will probably stream the pack one last time on Friday and quite possibly finish up NepsterLix The end is near! Excellent job to Nepster with the pack despite all the backroutes!          

Stream is over and was on Wednesday, September 9, 2026:

https://youtube.com/live/uQ7-EBSEpks?feature=share

All rightie, after a really busy past weekend, I'm finally going to be streaming some more NepsterLix later today, Wednesday, September 9, 2026, at 4PM PST (23:00 UTC). There's only 16 levels remaining (15 Black Hole levels left plus the final level that's been moved to its own "Final" rank), plus a full rank of 11 Outtakes levels, but I'm doubtful I'll be finishing the rest of the pack up. If so, then I'll likely finish up whatever remains on Friday, September 11, 2026, at probably around the same time as today's stream. That one will likely be a much better day for others to catch the stream and to possibly see me stream NepsterLix one last time before I finish it all up