[NeoLemmix] Lemmings Open Air [Difficulty: Medium - Hard]

[Strato Incendus]

Wow, you really must enjoy this pack a lot if you go to such lengths!

I remember somebody making that effort for Paralems, where many of the tracks referred to copyrighted film music or similar. But for every single one of 120 levels, that's an entirely different dimension of dedication.

PS: "Let the bodies hit the floor" (Heavy 13) has been updated a while ago. Maybe you just don't have the latest version of the pack. The Zombies swimming out at the bottom edge of the level should no longer be a thing, I've added a steel piece there. I just checked whether my latest version of the level is also the one included in the ZIP download, and yes, it is (last modified on 8th February 2021).

[ericderkovits]

Ok, I didn't realise there was an update. Downloaded the new pack. Thanks Strato for mentioning there was an update as I didn't have it.

Also It looks like 4 levels were updated.
None of the updated levels broke my replays, except now because of Heavy 13(Let the bodies hit the floor) was updated the 1 top platformer got infected but that's ok, as instead
of 1 over the requirement now I just met the requirement which was the same before the swimmer change.

updated levels

Loud 21 (I believe I can fly) appears to have a small diagonal gap now just below the hatch on the floor. My replay still the same and doesn't break.
             I notice though it breaks David's solution(He must have backrouted it)

Loud 26 (Euphoria) appears now to have 4 steel block added. Again doesn't break my replay. It does break David's again(must be a backroute fix)

Heavy 13 (Let the bodies hit the floor). Added steel to prevent zombies exiting water left of bottom tranporter(due to new swimmer change-mentioned by Strato as a fix)
               As stated above I just saved the met requirement instead of 1 over due to a zombie infecting the top platformer.
               And yes I let the Bodies hit the floor in my solution

Hardcore 11 (Charred Remains) The only difference I can see is a small piece of terrain on bottom of steel blocks right of of rightmost hatch. I think Strato said this level needed
                   fixing for the Intended solution due to the new swimmer change.


Note: also updated the 4 levels in my Mega storage for the actual music ones. Same Link above will work with the 4 changed updated levels for the actual music ones.

[Strato Incendus]

I hadn't written it at the top of that post, but I did mention the update in my post from early February:

"Let the bodies hit the floor" has received a small steel piece to prevent the zombies from swimming out, as suggested.

The updated version is attached to the starting post. Please keep reporting any issues you find! My mass replay check didn't show any further breakages for my replays, but yours might.
(No new backroute fixes yet, right now I just wanted to ensure as quickly as possible that the pack remains fully playable with the newest version.)

Yes, all the changes to the four levels you mentioned are part of the latest update.

[Strato Incendus]

Since I just wrote this on YouTube, I'm also adding it here:

ericderkovits's modified version of Lemmings Open Air, including the versions of the levels, the music tracks they're referencing, and the MP3 files themselves that ericderkovits shared along with his version of the pack, are not something I officially endorse. I just want to make it absolutely clear that I am not responsible for any copyright violations related to the music tracks ericderkovits shared here for use in his version, nor for any backroutes that might still be present in those levels.

I will only keep updating the official pack, whenever backroute fixes, physics changes etc. require it. The level titles themselves being named after songs is not meant as an incentive to use the actual songs those levels are named after as background music, even though you're of course free to do so while playing the pack privately if you own those tracks. However, this is definitely not meant as an incentive to download any of these songs somewhere illegally.

The intended music for Lemmings Open Air consists only of the tracks I uploaded in my music pack for it (see the opening post of this thread), which are all entirely self-recorded by me.

The compositions of those tracks are either public domain (like Alla Turca, Forest Green etc.) or belong to DMA / Psygnosis.
For those tracks where the latter is the case, I'm not using any potentially copyrighted compositions for Lemmings Open Air or Lemmings World Tour that the NeoLemmix player itself doesn't already use by default.


EDIT: On my request, eric has removed the links to his version of the pack (and the matching music tracks) from his post (thanks! ).
He's free to share them via private message with anyone interested in playing the pack privately with the different tunes.

[ericderkovits]

ok, I've just watched Icho's solutions to LOTY 2020 of the 4 levels from this pack; for the levels Loud 29(You keep me hangin' on) and
Hardcore 28 (The puzzle), his solutions don't seem intended.  And his solution to Loud 29,  I don't think it is quite the intended one.

For Loud 29

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

since Icho used a shimmier who wasn't a glider, I think if that spot where the shimmier falls is splat height. his solution will fail.
The shimmier isn't supposed to be a non-glider as in Icho's solution to loud 29 he had the shimmier not start from the far right.
He picked the shimmier from the crowd(non-glider), and had it shimmy left from the middle. Also he didn't even use the digger pickup skill. I think the actual intended one is a very special one as I don't like Icho's not quite intended one. I still would like to see this level have the true intended solution, where the shimmier is a glider shimmying from the far right (Also shimmiers are one of my favorite skills so I would definitely like to see the glider shimmying from the far right as intended). Also I really love the actual intended solution as this is my favorite level of the pack and would like the intended one truly enforced as this level was nominated as LOTY
2020.

For Hardcore 28

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Icho had way too many skills left, so his solution doesn't feel intended either although I'm not sure what the actual intended solution is. My solution used every skill and was totally different than icho's. Maybe this level might need a fix too.

here is the suggested fixed .nxlv for Loud29.

and included the intended solution to show it works for the adjusted level.
also included Icho's attempted solution for the adjusted level showing the non-glider shimmier will splat.

[Strato Incendus]

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I've found IchoTolot's YouTube video for my LOTY-nominated levels and will watch his solutions there first, so I can also hear his comments on them.

[kaywhyn]

Wow, I can't believe it's now officially been a year since this pack's release! All this time has sure gone by really quickly. And to think that I had the honor of being one of your pre-testers of this pack from around this time last year It definitely was the right move, especially since this latest pack of yours is of far higher quality than all your previously released packs thus far Not that LWT wasn't, as it's not that far behind, but then again I am a music person, and these two happen to be musically themed packs

Anyway, I do have two replays that I've been meaning to post but for some reason I haven't yet They are for Loud 20 and Hardcore 25. The former is one of those seemingly unfixable levels due to backroutes, but this replay is more to show that this latest version of the level is possible to complete without a bomber, as I remember going through the thread and reading that long before this version that no bomber solutions were possible. For the latter, it's likely a backroute, particularly since I don't collect all the pickups. I guess despite that, it does go to show that it is possible to save 71, which I suspect is the maximum possible for the level, but only via a backroute, showing that it's apparently faster this way. Just barely though.

I definitely look forward to your future level packs, especially with the two currently in development, once you do return to working on them at some point. Not sure if we're long overdue for a status update on them? Of course, no hurry!

[Strato Incendus]

Yes, this pack has received quite a lot of attention in just the single year it's been out. I guess my "marketing in advance" with the regular development updates did its part.

At the same time, that has also been the reason why I haven't been faster with level creation on the other two packs currently in the works (Lemmings: Hall of Fame and Lemmings, Drugs, & Rock 'n Roll). I myself had forgotten that it's only been a year since LOA came out - it feels like it has been out for ages. But given that it was in the making for two years, that means it still hasn't been out as long as it took me to make it. Maybe your "revival" of this thread for the one-year anniversary will draw some new players to it now - as your level-solving commentary probably did, too.

Maybe I should focus on getting Pit Lems Remastered done first, since all those levels already exist. I also already converted them ages ago - I just need to bring them into a proper order and make sure all the solutions still work, after all the physics changes we've had in New Formats in the meantime. But making Pit Lems available for New Formats (replacing the radiation and slowfreeze levels with some select stuff from Paralems and Lemmicks) would give people something "new" to play in the meantime - at least new for anyone who has only ever known New Formats - without me having to make a bunch of brand-new levels first.

On your two solutions:

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Loud 20 ("Bonfire"): This level has many backroutes that I've never been able to fix, so this is just another one. Nice new trick, though, cancelling a Fencer mid-stroke to allow the crowd to walk up a Stoner! Should work with Walkers and Jumpers just as well as with the Shimmier you used. Perhaps I'll make that part of an intended solution on a future level!

Hardcore 25 ("Wipe your a** with sandpaper"): That's actually a perfectly acceptable alternative solution; you still used close to all the skills, and had to send a lemming to the "toilet-paper roll".