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Offline insulfrog

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Did Lemmings 1 had a scrapped hell level?
« on: April 30, 2021, 09:51:04 PM »
I have watched the video of Commodore Amiga 'Cartoon Classics' at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hmhnc2WvqmI for a bit of nostalgia. But as I watched and looked at the rear box art at time index between 1:03 and 1:06, there is a Lemmings 1 screenshot of a hell level that does not seem to appear in the original game. It is the left image, amusingly a massive epic fail with looks like a bomber hole in the floor with a a line of lemmings falling to their doom, a hole in the stair, and a bomber exploding in the lava. The right image depicts the level "Watch out, there's traps about" with already dug/mined tunnels with blockers at the top and a floater mid-float and lemmings roaming around the bottom floor.

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Re: Did Lemmings 1 had a scrapped hell level?
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2021, 09:55:35 PM »
Mike Dailly mentioned in an interview that there were hundreds of levels that didn't make the cut. To the best of my knowledge, only two such levels (three including this one) have been seen publicly in any form - "One Way To Freedom" was included in a demo version, and "The Sky At Night" was shown on-screen in said interview (but has never been playable to the public). It's also plausible that some of the unique / replacement levels in versions released around the same time as Amiga (eg. Amiga budget / bookclub versions, Mac's alternate Tricky 21) could be from the cut levels, but we'll likely never know for sure - it's equally possible they were made on-demand.

I did enquire about the possibility of those levels being released to the community, but apparently while Mike does have a copy of them still, he doesn't have the hardware required to read them. He also mentioned that they were of very bad quality - which does make me wonder whether he really can't access them or just doesn't want them released (could also be legal rather than quality reasons), but I really didn't want to be pushing him too hard. Maybe with some luck, someone else happens to have a copy and will leak them sooner or later. ;)
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Re: Did Lemmings 1 had a scrapped hell level?
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2021, 11:59:41 PM »
I have watched the video of Commodore Amiga 'Cartoon Classics' at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hmhnc2WvqmI for a bit of nostalgia. But as I watched and looked at the rear box art at time index between 1:03 and 1:06, there is a Lemmings 1 screenshot of a hell level that does not seem to appear in the original game.

Interesting! I wonder if anyone has a copy of the Cartoon Classics box art that they could photograph so we can get a closer look...!

"The Sky At Night" was shown on-screen in said interview

With a closer look at these two levels (i.e. The Sky At Night and the one on the Amiga box), we could maybe re-create them as closely as possible.

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Re: Did Lemmings 1 had a scrapped hell level?
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2021, 12:20:01 AM »
Both cases only show part of the level, so I'm not sure how practical that would be. Also, can't say about the level on the box, but The Sky At Night looked like a pretty tedious (not to Taxing 14 extents but still) X-of-all from what could be seen - certianly not the highest priority level to resurrect, it would mostly be of interest for historical purposes and/or to creative derivatives of.

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Re: Did Lemmings 1 had a scrapped hell level?
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2021, 12:27:20 AM »
The Sky At Night looked like a pretty tedious (not to Taxing 14 extents but still) X-of-all from what could be seen - certianly not the highest priority level to resurrect, it would mostly be of interest for historical purposes and/or to creative derivatives of.

Still, do you have a link to the interview?

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Re: Did Lemmings 1 had a scrapped hell level?
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2021, 08:51:46 PM »
The Sky At Night looked like a pretty tedious (not to Taxing 14 extents but still) X-of-all from what could be seen - certianly not the highest priority level to resurrect, it would mostly be of interest for historical purposes and/or to creative derivatives of.

Still, do you have a link to the interview?

https://youtu.be/ybs5FR-uUNI?t=1136

Should link to where the level in question first comes on screen. I don't remember any other unreleased levels being shown in the video (though a few well-known ones, such as Mayhem 2, are shown).

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Re: Did Lemmings 1 had a scrapped hell level?
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2021, 01:38:53 AM »
Thanks for the link! This is a fascinating interview, it's great that he talks about the editor and how the levels were put together.

I definitely think it's worth having a go at recreating that level (even if MD himself thought it was "crap"!) so it's on my to-do list :lemcat: