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Re: [NeoLemmix] Skills you can't live without
« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2020, 11:26:44 pm »
Wimpy so far:

01 "Lemming Net" - None
02 "Lucky Charm" - 1 builder
03 "Just For Fun" - 1 builder
04 "Savior" - 1 builder
05 "Get Together" - None
06 "Two Pathways" - None
07 "No Salvation II" - None (thanks to Proxima)
08 "(Also they are ninjas.)" - None
09 "It's A Thin Line!" - 5 builders
10 "Labyrinth Of Despair" - (No result yet)
11 "The Flagpole" - None
12 "Only One Place To Go" - 1 basher, 1 digger
13 "A Magician Would Be Handy" - None
14 "Go East Or West?" - None
15 "Just When You Think You Know!" - 1 builder

I don't think a replay's necessary for no-builders on Mild 13, but if you are stuck on it, the key is...
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Re: [NeoLemmix] Skills you can't live without
« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2020, 04:31:14 am »
Replays attached for:

* Wimpy 7 "No Salvation II" no builders (minor modification of my Mild 26 replay)
* Psycho 29 "No Salvation V" 1 builder
* Wimpy 10 "Labyrinth of Despair" 1 builder. All other skills should be easy enough to do without.

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Re: [NeoLemmix] Skills you can't live without
« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2020, 05:49:59 pm »
Dumping our results from Discord yesterday, continuing with Wimpy:

16 "Lemmings on Stilts" - 9 builders
17 "No Need To Worry!" - 1 builder
23 "It's a strange land!" - 1 builder
24 "Up, Down, Round & Round" - 6 builders
25 "Down With The Lemmings" - 1 builder
26 "Overheat" - (No result yet)
27 "Ready, Aim, Fire!" - 3 diggers
28 "Get up, up, up!" - (1 builder suspected, no confirmed result yet)
29 "Russian Rescue" - 1 climber, 1 blocker, 3 builders, 1 basher, 1 miner
30 "Counterlogical" - ??? builders (at least 4)

EDIT: And right after posting this, found a climber-free solution to Russian Rescue.

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Re: [NeoLemmix] Skills you can't live without
« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2020, 07:00:41 pm »
Wimpy 28 is easily solved builders+bashers only or builders+miners only, so everything except builders is eliminated. 1 builder is fairly easy. I don't think no builders is possible, because I can't see a way to get up from the level you start at.

Wimpy 30 can certainly be solved with 5 builders, but I don't see a way to get it in only 4. You would have to go the top route with climbers, but since you have 20 climbers and need to save 20, you can't use a climb-bomber anywhere. That leaves going up the far left pillar with interrupted bashers/miners as the only possibility, but I think it's just too narrow for the amount of height you have to gain.

Haven't looked at 26 yet, other than glancing at it and deciding "this looks horrible" :P

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Re: [NeoLemmix] Skills you can't live without
« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2020, 07:06:34 pm »
Wimpy 28 no builders confirmed. I'm inclined to agree with you about Wimpy 30 (though might give it a go just in case at some point).

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Re: [NeoLemmix] Skills you can't live without
« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2020, 08:47:10 pm »
Popping back over to Redux, we made some progress here. Proxima's updated the first post with the rest of Quirky.

Quirky 30 may be improvable to 3 builders, but I can't be bothered trying it at the moment. I suspect the 2-basher result from DOS can't be replicated here due to the more sensitive NL basher.

Here's my interesting replays. Note that the first one, the climber can be easily swapped for an extra builder (or even just for some release rate manipulation).

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Re: [NeoLemmix] Skills you can't live without
« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2020, 08:48:09 pm »
namida and I finished off Redux/Quirky on Discord just now. We're pretty confident these are final results, except maybe 30 (Izzie Wizzie).

Replays attached for Quirky 31 (Cascade) no floaters, and Quirky 32 (And then there were four) builders-only.

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Re: [NeoLemmix] Skills you can't live without
« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2020, 06:57:47 pm »
Back to Wimpy 30 in Lemmings Plus I, 4 builders is now confirmed possible. That was a messy one!

It's trivial to see that 3 is impossible, unless there's some steel glitch we're not aware of (and if there is, it would then get patched out in a future version of NL anyway).

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Re: [NeoLemmix] Skills you can't live without
« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2020, 07:34:52 pm »
Wimpy 26, 2 builders confirmed. Less than this isn't conclusively ruled out, but I would be extremely surprised if it can be done (though this level is very generous in terms of skillset, so maybe...).

Eliminating everything other than builders is trivial.

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Re: [NeoLemmix] Skills you can't live without
« Reply #24 on: February 11, 2020, 08:26:27 pm »
The start of Medi:

Medi 1 "Secret to Success" - None
Medi 2 "The T Level" - 1 builder
Medi 3 "The Box" - None
Medi 4 "Getting There..." - 2 climbers, 1 bomber, 1 builder (1-bomber replay attached)
Medi 5 "Safety Blast" - 3 bombers
Medi 6 "This Is..." - 1 builder (1-builder replay and no-basher replay attached)
Medi 7 "Chain Reaction" - 3 builders (3-builder replay attached)
Medi 8 "Take Us All Home" - 6 builders
Medi 9 "The Dukes Of Lemmingsville" - None
Medi 10 "Bob's Mistake" - 3 floaters, 1 blocker, 1 builder, 1 basher, 1 miner
« Last Edit: February 11, 2020, 09:01:41 pm by namida »

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Re: [NeoLemmix] Skills you can't live without
« Reply #25 on: February 11, 2020, 10:51:22 pm »
Medi 11 "The Long Road To Lemming High" - 2 builders (replay attached)
Medi 12 "Step Up!" - 2 bashers (no builders, 2 bashers, no diggers attached as 3 seperate replays)
Medi 13 "No Salvation III" - None (Proxima's result)
Medi 14 "All Roads Lead To Home" - None
Medi 15 "Shooting Star" - 2 bombers, 1 builder (no floaters attached; no climbers is Proxima's result)
Medi 16 "Grounded!" - 2 bombers, 1 builder (no climbers and no floaters attached; both of these also are no blockers; 2-bombers is Proxima's result)
Medi 17 "Six Feet Under" - 4 bombers
Medi 18 "Going Under" - 1 blocker, 1 builder, 1 basher (1-builder replay attached)
Medi 19 "Force Field" - 1 builder
Medi 20 "The Diving Board" - 2 floaters, 2 blockers, 2 builders, 1 digger (Proxima's result)

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Re: [NeoLemmix] Skills you can't live without
« Reply #26 on: February 11, 2020, 11:08:56 pm »
namida did most of the heavy lifting in this session, but I have a few interesting replays to show:

* Medi 1 "Secret to Success" no builders
* Medi 3 "The Box" no builders
* Medi 13 "No Salvation III" no builders
* Medi 16 "Grounded!" 2 bombers, no blockers

My Medi 20 result is just my earlier max saved result, minus the extra floater as I can afford to lose one more.

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Re: [NeoLemmix] Skills you can't live without
« Reply #27 on: February 12, 2020, 03:29:32 am »
namida will have more results to post soon, but first, here's Medi 30 "Consider Everything..." with 3 builders.

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Re: [NeoLemmix] Skills you can't live without
« Reply #28 on: February 12, 2020, 03:30:29 am »
Medi 21 "As It Burns Away..." - 3 climbers, 3 bombers, 1 blocker, 2 builders, 2 miners
Medi 22 "Lemming Entertainment Center" - 1 builder (replay attached for no-blocker)
Medi 23 "Fallen" - 2 climbers, 1 blocker, 2 bashers, 2 miners (replay attached for 1 blocker)
Medi 24 "Eye of the Lemming" - 2 builders, 1 basher, 2 miners
Medi 25 "Wall of Wisdom" - (no result yet)
Medi 26 "So That's The Plan" - 6 builders (seperate replays attached for 6 builders; no bashers)
Medi 27 "Take A Dive" - 2 climbers, 1 bomber, 2 blockers, 2 builders, 1 basher
Medi 28 "Way Up High" - 2 climbers, 1 bomber, 1 builder (replay attached for 2 climbers)
Medi 29 "Lemmingsense" - 1 climber, 4 builders, 2 bashers (replay attached for no bombers + 4 builders; this one's a single replay that achieves both)
Medi 30 "Consider Everything..." - 3 builders (replay attached for no blockers or bashers; max-saved replay achieves no bombers; 3 builders is Proxima's result, see above post)

Medi 21 hasn't had much attention yet, and Medi 25 has no result yet because it's annoying.

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Re: [NeoLemmix] Skills you can't live without
« Reply #29 on: February 12, 2020, 04:11:27 am »
Medi 25: My current result is 11 climbers, 17 diggers. Replays attached for 11 climbers and no builders.