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FINAL ROUND - Vote for ONE level.

Mayhem 03 "It's hero time!"
Mayhem 20 "No added colours or Lemmings"

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Original Lemmings Level Voteoff (WINNER: Mayhem 20)
« on: November 09, 2014, 05:25:50 PM »
So, like I did with my packs, I'm now running voteoffs for the official lemmings games. Starting, logically, with the Original Game.

One change I'm making is that I'm not entering the levels in chronological order, but rather, it's randomized. The lists are determined by first running all the levels through a randomizer, dividing the result into sets of however many levels according to the rules for that round, and then putting the levels within each section back into chronological order. If a single section contains certain conditions, it was rerolled together with the following section until the conditions no longer occur. These conditions are:
  • - If the section does not contain levels from at least three difficulty ranks
  • - If the section contains too many levels from the same rank
  • - If the section contains both a level and its repeat version
  • - If the section contains more than one VGASPEC level
  • - If the section contains any set of more than 3 consecutive levels
Another section is added into the rerolling if the problem still persisted after three re-rolls. This is continued until the entire list is free of these issues. Also, these things are not applied during the later rounds; only the early ones. The breakdown of the sections can be found in the second post.


As for the breakdown of the rounds, this will be done in six rounds. Each round has a varying amount of levels that qualify for the next round, and a varying amount of votes allowed per user. Qualifying for the next round is based on the following rules:

1) First place - All levels tied for first place qualify, no matter what (even if it exceeds the qualifying levels limit).
2) Second place - If the first place levels do not reach the limit of qualifying levels, all levels tied for second place qualify (even if it exceeds the qualifying levels limit) as long as they have at least one vote.
3) Third place - If the first two places do not reach the limit, and adding the third place levels would not exceed the limit, the third place levels also qualify as long as they have at least one vote (in the first round) or at least half as many votes as the first place level (all other rounds).

If the limit still isn't reached after third place, then the same rule as for 3rd is applied to 4th place and so on.

Original Lemmings round rules

For the "too many levels from same rank" rule, the limit is set at 7 levels; any more than this from a single rank and a re-roll occurs.

First Round
Levels are broken into sets of 10. Three votes are allowed per set per person. The qualifying levels limit is 5. Re-rolling rules are applied.

Second Round
Levels that qualified from the first round are broken into sets of 5; if this does not divide equally then the early sets will get an extra level each (eg: if 17 levels qualify, the first set will have 6, second set will have 6, third set will have 5). Two votes are allowed per set per person. The qualifying levels limit is 3. Re-rolling rules are applied.

Third Round
Levels that qualified from the second round are broken into sets of 4; if this does not divide equally then the early sets will get an extra level. Two votes are allowed per set per person. The qualifying levels limit is 2. Re-rolling rules are applied, but the "levels from at least three ranks" rule is changed to "levels from at least two ranks".

Fourth Round
Levels that qualified from the third round are broken into three sets, however many levels each that may equate to. Two votes are allowed per user. The qualifying levels limit is 2. Re-rolling rules do not apply.

Fifth Round
All levels that qualified from the fourth round are played off as a single set, however many levels that may equate to. The number of votes allowed per person will be one vote plus one extra vote for every whole set of 6 levels in a round (eg: if a round has 5 levels, one vote per person, if a round has 7 levels, two votes per person). The qualifying levels limit is 2. Re-rolling rules do not apply.

Sixth Round
All levels that qualified from the fifth round are played off as a single set, however many levels that may equate to. One vote is allowed per person. The winner of this round wins the voteoff; if there's a tie but it isn't equal between all levels (for example, if 3 levels qualify and only two of them tie for first), a tiebreaker round will be held, but if it is equal between all levels, they will be tied for winning the voteoff as a whole. Re-rolling rules do not apply.



Please be honest with the number of votes you make; double-check with what the poll question says. But just to be clear - the vote count allowed is a maximum, not an exactly number. In a round where 3 votes are allowed, it's perfectly fine to only vote for one or two levels if you'd prefer.

Also, one change from the Lemmings Plus voteoffs where it was somewhat arbitrary - for this one, all sets will be open for voting for at least 48 hours from the time of the post announcing that they have been put up (for the first set, this post counts as the announcement). I'm not saying for sure I'll be updating it exactly on the 48 hour mark, just that I won't do it *before* that mark.


EDIT: Just want to mention, please don't treat the image links in the poll as permanently available. I don't plan to keep them available once the voteoff is finished. If you want a copy of the level maps (which you can host somewhere else, or on a free image host, if you like), you can get it here.


After this voteoff is finished, I plan to hold them for the other official games, after which there'll be a "final round" pitting all the winners from each game against each other. The order I plan to do the remaining games in is:
2) Oh No! More Lemmings!
3) Holiday Lemmings 1994 (including H93 levels, of course)
4) Xmas Lemmings 91/92 (combined into a single voteoff)
5) Covox Lemmings Demo
6) Prima Publishing Lemmings Demo
7) Extra levels

Extra levels will be all single-player levels from versions that are mostly mechanics-compatible with the DOS version - in other words, the unique levels from Genesis, the unique levels from the Budget Amiga and Bookclub Amiga versions, the unique Holiday Lemmings level from Amiga, and the unique Tricky 21s from the Mac and SNES versions. Levels from versions that are not mechanics-compatible (or at least close to it) such as Master System, NES and PSP will not be included, and neither will two-player levels.
« Last Edit: January 10, 2015, 03:47:31 AM by namida »
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Re: Original Lemmings Level Voteoff (Round 2, Section 4)
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2014, 05:25:59 PM »
The winner of this voteoff was:

Mayhem 20 - "No added colours or Lemmings"


The full breakdown of level lists and results from each round are available in the attached spreadsheet. Do note that this spreadsheet uses a feature that (as far as I'm aware; I could be completely wrong) isn't very often used, specifically, multiple pages. In most software, if you look down the bottom of the window, you'll see small tabs saying "Round 1", "Round 2", etc.
« Last Edit: January 10, 2015, 02:12:27 PM by namida »
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Re: Original Lemmings Level Voteoff (Round 2, Section 4)
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2014, 12:23:54 AM »
My apologies, I didn't read the rules correctly. Sorry about that. I won't do that again.

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Re: Original Lemmings Level Voteoff (Round 2, Section 4)
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2014, 03:10:28 AM »
My apologies, I didn't read the rules correctly. Sorry about that. I won't do that again.

It was more than one person anyway, at the point where I reset it we had 11 people voted but 24 votes total.

But let's not worry about that now. It's under control; let's focus on our favorite levels again. :D
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Re: Original Lemmings Level Voteoff (Round 2, Section 5)
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2014, 11:49:24 PM »
Qualifying levels from this set are:

Taxing 09 "Perserverance"
Mayhem 08 "Last one out is a rotten egg!"
Mayhem 21 "With a twist of lemming please"

Next round is up.
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Re: Original Lemmings Level Voteoff (Round 2, Section 5)
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2014, 09:52:17 AM »
Qualifying levels from this round are:

* Mayhem 3 "It's hero time!"
* Mayhem 6 "One way or another"

New round is up.
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Re: Original Lemmings Level Voteoff (Round 2, Section 6)
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2014, 10:32:47 AM »
Just voted, but posting with a quick heads-up - the image links are all 404'ing right now.

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Re: Original Lemmings Level Voteoff (Round 2, Section 6)
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2014, 10:35:46 AM »
Fixed. I missed the "orig/" in the URLs. xD
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Re: Original Lemmings Level Voteoff (Round 2, Section 7)
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2014, 11:35:39 PM »
Qualifying levels are:

Mayhem 7 "Poles Apart"
Mayhem 12 "The Far Side"

Next round is up. :)
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Re: Original Lemmings Level Voteoff (Round 2, Section 7)
« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2014, 06:48:38 PM »
Qualifying from this round are:

* Taxing 28 "POOR WEE CREATURES!"
* Mayhem 13 "The Great Lemming Caper"

Next round is up.
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Re: Original Lemmings Level Voteoff (Round 2, Section 8)
« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2014, 06:54:08 PM »
Beast of a Level and Feel the Heat.  :thumbsup:

Upsidown World gave me nightmares.  :scared:

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Re: Original Lemmings Level Voteoff (Round 2, Section 8)
« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2014, 12:59:11 AM »
Qualifying for this round are:

* Fun 22 "A Beast of a level"
* Taxing 13 "Upsidedown World"

Next round is up.
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Re: Original Lemmings Level Voteoff (Round 2, Section 8)
« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2014, 05:24:04 AM »
Qualifying for this round are:

* Tricky 22 "Turn around young lemmings!"
* Taxing 02 "Watch out, there's traps about"
* Taxing 06 "Compression Method 1"

Next round is up.
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Re: Original Lemmings Level Voteoff (Round 2, Section 10)
« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2014, 12:01:55 AM »
Qualifying for this round are:

* Tricky 25 "Cascade"
* Taxing 22 "Come on over to my place"

Next round is up.
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Re: Original Lemmings Level Voteoff (Round 2, Section 11)
« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2014, 08:59:44 AM »
Qualifying from this set are:

* Taxing 08 "The Art Gallery"
* Mayhem 05 "Down, along, up. In that order"
* Mayhem 10 "Pillars of Hercules"

Gimme a little bit to set up the next set of rounds, I'll post again when they're up.
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