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Offline namida

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How many levels can be beaten with only one type of skill?
« on: July 22, 2009, 12:05:55 pm »
RULES
1) You must use only one type of skill.
2) You must not use more of that skill than the level actually gives you.
3) You must save at least the required %, in the set time limit.
4) Glitches present in DOS Lemmings are allowed. Glitches unique to Lemmix, if any, are not. However, glitch solutions must be stated as such.
5) A level that has already been solved with one skill may be attempted with another.
6) Please state if 100% is acheivable.
7) Only the DOS version, or versions 100% true to DOS's mechanics (as far as I'm aware, that means only Lemmix) are allowed.

LIST SO FAR

Please note that "no solutions found" may, in some cases, simply mean that such a solution has not yet been discovered but does exist. Likewise, even if a level states that a glitch is used, there may also be another solution that doesn't use one. The *GLITCH* tag applies to the skill next to it only. For example, if a level says "Floaters, Builders (glitch)", this would mean it can be solved with floaters without using a glitch, or with builders using a glitch. The same applies to the 100% tag.

Original Lemmings

Fun
1: Diggers (100%)
2: Floaters (100%)
3: Blockers
4: No solutions found
5: Bashers (100%)
6: Bombers
7: Builders (100%)
8: Bombers, Blockers, Builders (100%)
9: Builders (100%), Bashers (100%)
10: Builders (100%), Miners (100%), Diggers (100%)
11: Builders (glitch, 100%)
12: Bashers (100%)
13: Diggers (100%)
14: Bashers (100%)
15: No solutions found
16: Builders (100%)
17: Bashers, Miners
18: Bombers
19: Builders (100%)
20: Builders (100%)
21: Bombers, Bashers, Miners
22: No solutions found
23: No solutions found
24: Bombers, Builders (100%), Miners (100%), Diggers (100%)
25: Bombers, Bashers (100%), Miners (100%), Diggers (100%)
26: Builders (100%)
27: Floaters (glitch), Builders (100%)
28: No solutions found
29: No solutions found
30: Bombers, Bashers (100%), Miners (100%), Diggers (100%)

Tricky
1: Builders (100%)
2: Diggers (100%)
3: Builders (100%)
4: Builders (100%)
5: No solutions found
6: Builders (glitch, 100%)
7: No solutions found
8: Builders (100%)
9: Builders (100%)
10: No solutions found
11: No solutions found
12: No solutions found
13: Builders (100%)
14: No solutions found
15: Bombers
16: No solutions found
17: Bombers
18: No solutions found
19: No solutions found
20: No solutions found
21: No solutions found
22: Bombers, Builders (100%)
23: No solutions found
24: No solutions found
25: No solutions found
26: Builders (100%)
27: No solutions found
28: Builders (glitch)
29: Bashers
30: No solutions found

Taxing
1: No solutions found
2: No solutions found
3: Builders (100%)
4: No solutions found
5: No solutions found
6: No solutions found
7: No solutions found
8: No solutions found
9: No solutions found
10: Builders (glitch, 100%)
11: No solutions found
12: No solutions found
13: No solutions found
14: No solutions found
15: Builders (100%)
16: No solutions found
17: No solutions found
18: Builders (glitch, 100%)
19: Bombers
20: Bashers, Miners
21: No solutions found
22: No solutions found
23: Builders (100%)
24: Builders (100%)
25: No solutions found
26: No solutions found
27: No solutions found
28: No solutions found
29: No solutions found
30: Diggers (100%)

Mayhem
1: No solutions found
2: Builders (glitch)
3: No solutions found
4: Bombers, Bashers (100%)
5: No solutions found
6: Builders (100%)
7: No solutions found
8: No solutions found
9: No solutions found
10: No solutions found
11: Diggers (100%)
12: No solutions found
13: No solutions found
14: Builders (100%)
15: No solutions found
16: No solutions found
17: No solutions found
18: Builders (100%)
19: No solutions found
20: No solutions found
21: No solutions found
22: No solutions found
23: No solutions found
24: Bashers (100%)
25: Builders (100%)
26: Bombers
27: No solutions found
28: No solutions found
29: No solutions found
30: No solutions found

Oh No! More Lemmings!

Tame
1: Bombers, Builders, Bashers, Miners (100%), Diggers (100%)
2: Climbers (glitch), Bombers, Builders (100%), Bashers (100%), Miners, Diggers
3: Bombers, Bashers (100%), Miners, Diggers
4: Bombers, Blockers, Builders (100%), Bashers (100%), Miners (100%), Diggers (100%)
5: Bombers, Miners, Diggers
6: Bombers, Bashers (100%), Miners (100%), Diggers
7: Climbers (glitch), Builders (100%), Bashers (100%)
8: Bombers, Builders (100%), Bashers (100%), Miners (100%), Diggers (100%)
9: Climbers (glitch), Builders (100%), Bashers (100%)
10: Bashers (100%), Miners
11: Bombers, Bashers (100%), Miners (100%), Diggers
12: Bombers, Bashers (100%), Miners (100%), Diggers
13: Builders (100%)
14: Builders (100%), Bashers (100%)
15: Builders (100%), Bashers (100%), Miners
16: Bombers, Bashers (100%), Miners (100%), Diggers
17: Bombers, Builders, Bashers (100%), Miners (100%), Diggers (100%)
18: Bashers (100%), Miners
19: Bombers, Bashers (100%), Miners (100%), Diggers (100%)
20: No solutions found

Crazy
1: No solutions found
2: No solutions found
3: Bombers
4: Builders (100%)
5: Builders (100%)
6: No solutions found
7: No solutions found
8: No solutions found
9: No solutions found
10: No solutions found
11: Builders
12: No solutions found
13: No solutions found
14: No solutions found
15: No solutions found
16: No solutions found
17: No solutions found
18: No solutions found
19: No solutions found
20: No solutions found

Wild
1: No solutions found
2: No solutions found
3: Builders
4: No solutions found
5: No solutions found
6: No solutions found
7: No solutions found
8: No solutions found
9: No skills at all (glitch, 100%), Bashers (glitch, 100%)
10: No solutions found
11: No solutions found
12: No solutions found
13: No solutions found
14: No solutions found
15: No solutions found
16: No solutions found
17: No solutions found
18: No solutions found
19: Builders (100%)
20: No solutions found

Wicked
1: No solutions found
2: No solutions found
3: No solutions found
4: No solutions found
5: No solutions found
6: Bombers, Miners
7: No solutions found
8: No solutions found
9: Builders
10: No solutions found
11: No solutions found
12: No solutions found
13: Builders (100%)
14: No solutions found
15: No solutions found
16: No solutions found
17: Builders (100%)
18: Builders (100%)
19: No solutions found
20: No solutions found

Havoc
1: No solutions found
2: No solutions found
3: No solutions found
4: No solutions found
5: No solutions found
6: Miners (100%)
7: No solutions found
8: No solutions found
9: No solutions found
10: Builders
11: No solutions found
12: Builders (100%)
13: No solutions found
14: No solutions found
15: No solutions found
16: No solutions found
17: No solutions found
18: No solutions found
19: No solutions found
20: No solutions found

Holiday Lemmings

Frost
1: Bashers (100%)
2: Floaters (100%)
3: No solutions found
4: No solutions found
5: Bashers (100%), Miners (100%)
6: No solutions found
7: No solutions found
8: Bombers, Builders (100%), Bashers (100%), Miners (100%), Diggers (100%)
9: Builders (100%)
10: No solutions found
11: No solutions found
12: No solutions found
13: Builders (glitch, 100%)
14: No solutions found
15: No solutions found
16: No solutions found

Hail
1: No solutions found
2: Bombers
3: No solutions found
4: No solutions found
5: No solutions found
6: No skills at all, Blockers
7: Builders (100%)
8: No solutions found
9: No solutions found
10: No solutions found
11: No solutions found
12: Builders (100%)
13: No solutions found
14: No solutions found
15: No solutions found
16: No solutions found

Flurry
1: Climbers (100%), Builders (100%)
2: Floaters (100%), Miners (100%), Diggers
3: Bombers, Builders (100%), Bashers (100%), Miners
4: Bombers, Builders (100%), Bashers (100%), Miners (100%)
5: Bombers, Builders (glitch?), Miners (100%), Diggers (100%)
6: Bashers (100%, not so much a glitch as an oversight in the level's design)
7: Builders (100%), Bashers (100%)
8: No solutions found
9: Bashers
10: No solutions found
11: Miners (100%), Diggers
12: Builders (100%), Bashers (100%)
13: Builders (100%)
14: No solutions found
15: Builders (100%)
16: No solutions found

Blitz
1: No solutions found
2: No solutions found
3: Diggers (100%)
4: No solutions found
5: No solutions found
6: Bashers (100%)
7: Builders (glitch, 100%)
8: No solutions found
9: No solutions found
10: Builders (100%)
11: No solutions found
12: No solutions found
13: No solutions found
14: Miners (100%)
15: No solutions found
16: No solutions found



Random Trivia
- The level which inspired me to create this topic upon discovering the solution to was Tame 7, with builders.
- Two levels can be beaten with no skills at all, those being Wild 9 and Hail 6. The former requires a glitch to do this, the latter does not.
- There is no level on which all 8 skills, or even 7 of the skills, have potential solutions. However, there are two so far which 6 different skills offer potential solutions (in both cases, Floaters are one of the skills that do not, one of the cases has Climbers as the other skill and one has Blockers). There are plenty of levels for which 5 skills offer solutions, in the majority of these it's Climbers, Floaters and Blockers that don't.

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Re: How many levels can be beaten with only one type of skill?
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2009, 01:16:19 pm »
Here's my preliminary list for the Fun levels. This is entirely off the top of my head with no testing; question marks indicate levels I'm not sure about.

1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11?, 13, 14?, 16?, 18, 19, 21?, 24, 25, 26, 27, 30

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Re: How many levels can be beaten with only one type of skill?
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2009, 01:47:02 pm »
11, I don't think you have enough bashers to do it. With infinite amount, it could probably be done.

12 might or might not be, I'm not sure. How many builders does it give you again?

14 is not. 16 should be, though.

Why isn't 20 on that list? I would think it could be done... (Builders again)

21, I *think*, should be doable.

I'll try these ones out.

Results:
11: Fail
12: Fail
16: Pass with builders (Also, as it was well under 2 minutes, and used exactly 20 builders (one of which could've been avoided), I think Taxing 3 could also be done since it gives you 30 builders, and I only lost 5 lemmings here who, through a few more builders, could've been saved - some of them could've been saved as is, had I tried harder)
20: Pass with builders (This one is freaking GENIUS! Try it!)
21: Pass with bashers

Taxing3: SUCCESS. :)

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Re: How many levels can be beaten with only one type of skill?
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2009, 02:09:42 pm »
11 can be done with builders.

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Re: How many levels can be beaten with only one type of skill?
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2009, 10:04:40 pm »
This definitely makes for some interesting challenges. 8) Here's Tricky 29 using only bashers.

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Re: How many levels can be beaten with only one type of skill?
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2009, 11:11:23 pm »
Wicked: None yet

Add Wicked 6 to the list.  It can be done with just miners due to the unusually low % required, letting you ignore the far left and far right entrances completely.  It's also the minimum skill and under-1-minute solution, as others had already discovered in the corresponding threads.

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Re: How many levels can be beaten with only one type of skill?
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2009, 11:41:14 pm »
I'm 99% sure Fun 12 is doable with bashers.

EDIT: Just managed to pull it off  8)
Finally released my 6th level pack! Ten levels intended to push you quite a bit beyond the expectations of Mayhem/Havoc; check 'em out and let me know what you think!

http://camanis.net/lemmings/levelpacks.php?info&pack=174

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Re: How many levels can be beaten with only one type of skill?
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2009, 12:05:00 am »
I'm 99% sure Fun 12 is doable with bashers.

You're correct. :thumbsup: Replay attached.

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Re: How many levels can be beaten with only one type of skill?
« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2009, 01:01:08 am »
Along the same lines, Fun 14 is possible as well.

My challenge thread on the old forum (link in my sig) has some "builder-only" challenges that you can add to the list. Though I see you've found some of these already :)

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Re: How many levels can be beaten with only one type of skill?
« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2009, 01:32:05 am »
Along the same lines, Fun 14 is possible as well.

I was working on that.  Here we go, replay attached.

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Re: How many levels can be beaten with only one type of skill?
« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2009, 02:33:32 am »
Here's what I've got for Tricky:

1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 9, 13, 15, 17, 22, 29

I suspect 28 is also possible using the sliding glitch, but it would require a lot of release rate adjustments to get everyone (or almost everone) bunched together without a blocker.  I think I'll let Clam Spammer or ccexplore look at this one, as they are better suited for these types of challenges than I am.

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Re: How many levels can be beaten with only one type of skill?
« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2009, 03:10:33 am »
28 is definitely possible, due to the miraculously convenient seaweed placement DIRECTLY beneath the exit. I did a trial run to see how the actual building would work out, and I think some RR adjustments could get all the lemmings to stack neatly. Unfortunately I have no idea how to go about finding those optimizations. So until someone figures it out, here's how I approached the problem. With no RR changes, I managed to slide 18% home.
Finally released my 6th level pack! Ten levels intended to push you quite a bit beyond the expectations of Mayhem/Havoc; check 'em out and let me know what you think!

http://camanis.net/lemmings/levelpacks.php?info&pack=174

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Re: How many levels can be beaten with only one type of skill?
« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2009, 03:14:25 am »
I suspect 28 is also possible using the sliding glitch, but it would require a lot of release rate adjustments to get everyone (or almost everone) bunched together without a blocker.

Actually it wasn't too bad, you can keep the RR at the same number for the most part.  It turns out I can easily adapt my 100%, 10 builders + 2 climbers solution from the challenge thread into a 96% builders-only solution.  The level only requires 90%.

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Re: How many levels can be beaten with only one type of skill?
« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2009, 03:24:04 am »
Add Wild 9 (Ice Station Lemming) to the list.  It can be beaten using no skills at all (although you might want to mark it with an asterisk because it uses a glitch.

Here's how to pull it off:
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This uses the nuke glitch.  Nuke the level just before the second lemming comes out.  One of the easiest levels to perform a glitch on ever, in my opinion.

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Re: How many levels can be beaten with only one type of skill?
« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2009, 08:54:15 am »
Crazy 4 is an easy one that has been missed so far.


From my "builder-only challenges", you can also add:

Tricky 26
Taxing 10 (same as Tricky 6)
Taxing 15
Mayhem 18
Wicked 13
Wicked 17
Wicked 18
Frost 9
Blitz 10