Post by: namida on July 22, 2009, 12:05:55 PM
1) You must use only one type of skill.
2) You must not use more of that skill than the level actually gives you.
3) You must save at least the required %, in the set time limit.
4) Glitches present in DOS Lemmings are allowed. Glitches unique to Lemmix, if any, are not. However, glitch solutions must be stated as such.
5) A level that has already been solved with one skill may be attempted with another.
6) Please state if 100% is acheivable.
7) Only the DOS version, or versions 100% true to DOS's mechanics (as far as I'm aware, that means only Lemmix) are allowed.
LIST SO FAR
Please note that "no solutions found" may, in some cases, simply mean that such a solution has not yet been discovered but does exist. Likewise, even if a level states that a glitch is used, there may also be another solution that doesn't use one. The *GLITCH* tag applies to the skill next to it only. For example, if a level says "Floaters, Builders (glitch)", this would mean it can be solved with floaters without using a glitch, or with builders using a glitch. The same applies to the 100% tag.
Original Lemmings
Fun
1: Diggers (100%)
2: Floaters (100%)
3: Blockers
4: No solutions found
5: Bashers (100%)
6: Bombers
7: Builders (100%)
8: Bombers, Blockers, Builders (100%)
9: Builders (100%), Bashers (100%)
10: Builders (100%), Miners (100%), Diggers (100%)
11: Builders (glitch, 100%)
12: Bashers (100%)
13: Diggers (100%)
14: Bashers (100%)
15: No solutions found
16: Builders (100%)
17: Bashers, Miners
18: Bombers
19: Builders (100%)
20: Builders (100%)
21: Bombers, Bashers, Miners
22: No solutions found
23: No solutions found
24: Bombers, Builders (100%), Miners (100%), Diggers (100%)
25: Bombers, Bashers (100%), Miners (100%), Diggers (100%)
26: Builders (100%)
27: Floaters (glitch), Builders (100%)
28: No solutions found
29: No solutions found
30: Bombers, Bashers (100%), Miners (100%), Diggers (100%)
Tricky
1: Builders (100%)
2: Diggers (100%)
3: Builders (100%)
4: Builders (100%)
5: No solutions found
6: Builders (glitch, 100%)
7: No solutions found
8: Builders (100%)
9: Builders (100%)
10: No solutions found
11: No solutions found
12: No solutions found
13: Builders (100%)
14: No solutions found
15: Bombers
16: No solutions found
17: Bombers
18: No solutions found
19: No solutions found
20: No solutions found
21: No solutions found
22: Bombers, Builders (100%)
23: No solutions found
24: No solutions found
25: No solutions found
26: Builders (100%)
27: No solutions found
28: Builders (glitch)
29: Bashers
30: No solutions found
Taxing
1: No solutions found
2: No solutions found
3: Builders (100%)
4: No solutions found
5: No solutions found
6: No solutions found
7: No solutions found
8: No solutions found
9: No solutions found
10: Builders (glitch, 100%)
11: No solutions found
12: No solutions found
13: No solutions found
14: No solutions found
15: Builders (100%)
16: No solutions found
17: No solutions found
18: Builders (glitch, 100%)
19: Bombers
20: Bashers, Miners
21: No solutions found
22: No solutions found
23: Builders (100%)
24: Builders (100%)
25: No solutions found
26: No solutions found
27: No solutions found
28: No solutions found
29: No solutions found
30: Diggers (100%)
Mayhem
1: No solutions found
2: Builders (glitch)
3: No solutions found
4: Bombers, Bashers (100%)
5: No solutions found
6: Builders (100%)
7: No solutions found
8: No solutions found
9: No solutions found
10: No solutions found
11: Diggers (100%)
12: No solutions found
13: No solutions found
14: Builders (100%)
15: No solutions found
16: No solutions found
17: No solutions found
18: Builders (100%)
19: No solutions found
20: No solutions found
21: No solutions found
22: No solutions found
23: No solutions found
24: Bashers (100%)
25: Builders (100%)
26: Bombers
27: No solutions found
28: No solutions found
29: No solutions found
30: No solutions found
Oh No! More Lemmings!
Tame
1: Bombers, Builders, Bashers, Miners (100%), Diggers (100%)
2: Climbers (glitch), Bombers, Builders (100%), Bashers (100%), Miners, Diggers
3: Bombers, Bashers (100%), Miners, Diggers
4: Bombers, Blockers, Builders (100%), Bashers (100%), Miners (100%), Diggers (100%)
5: Bombers, Miners, Diggers
6: Bombers, Bashers (100%), Miners (100%), Diggers
7: Climbers (glitch), Builders (100%), Bashers (100%)
8: Bombers, Builders (100%), Bashers (100%), Miners (100%), Diggers (100%)
9: Climbers (glitch), Builders (100%), Bashers (100%)
10: Bashers (100%), Miners
11: Bombers, Bashers (100%), Miners (100%), Diggers
12: Bombers, Bashers (100%), Miners (100%), Diggers
13: Builders (100%)
14: Builders (100%), Bashers (100%)
15: Builders (100%), Bashers (100%), Miners
16: Bombers, Bashers (100%), Miners (100%), Diggers
17: Bombers, Builders, Bashers (100%), Miners (100%), Diggers (100%)
18: Bashers (100%), Miners
19: Bombers, Bashers (100%), Miners (100%), Diggers (100%)
20: No solutions found
Crazy
1: No solutions found
2: No solutions found
3: Bombers
4: Builders (100%)
5: Builders (100%)
6: No solutions found
7: No solutions found
8: No solutions found
9: No solutions found
10: No solutions found
11: Builders
12: No solutions found
13: No solutions found
14: No solutions found
15: No solutions found
16: No solutions found
17: No solutions found
18: No solutions found
19: No solutions found
20: No solutions found
Wild
1: No solutions found
2: No solutions found
3: Builders
4: No solutions found
5: No solutions found
6: No solutions found
7: No solutions found
8: No solutions found
9: No skills at all (glitch, 100%), Bashers (glitch, 100%)
10: No solutions found
11: No solutions found
12: No solutions found
13: No solutions found
14: No solutions found
15: No solutions found
16: No solutions found
17: No solutions found
18: No solutions found
19: Builders (100%)
20: No solutions found
Wicked
1: No solutions found
2: No solutions found
3: No solutions found
4: No solutions found
5: No solutions found
6: Bombers, Miners
7: No solutions found
8: No solutions found
9: Builders
10: No solutions found
11: No solutions found
12: No solutions found
13: Builders (100%)
14: No solutions found
15: No solutions found
16: No solutions found
17: Builders (100%)
18: Builders (100%)
19: No solutions found
20: No solutions found
Havoc
1: No solutions found
2: No solutions found
3: No solutions found
4: No solutions found
5: No solutions found
6: Miners (100%)
7: No solutions found
8: No solutions found
9: No solutions found
10: Builders
11: No solutions found
12: Builders (100%)
13: No solutions found
14: No solutions found
15: No solutions found
16: No solutions found
17: No solutions found
18: No solutions found
19: No solutions found
20: No solutions found
Holiday Lemmings
Frost
1: Bashers (100%)
2: Floaters (100%)
3: No solutions found
4: No solutions found
5: Bashers (100%), Miners (100%)
6: No solutions found
7: No solutions found
8: Bombers, Builders (100%), Bashers (100%), Miners (100%), Diggers (100%)
9: Builders (100%)
10: No solutions found
11: No solutions found
12: No solutions found
13: Builders (glitch, 100%)
14: No solutions found
15: No solutions found
16: No solutions found
Hail
1: No solutions found
2: Bombers
3: No solutions found
4: No solutions found
5: No solutions found
6: No skills at all, Blockers
7: Builders (100%)
8: No solutions found
9: No solutions found
10: No solutions found
11: No solutions found
12: Builders (100%)
13: No solutions found
14: No solutions found
15: No solutions found
16: No solutions found
Flurry
1: Climbers (100%), Builders (100%)
2: Floaters (100%), Miners (100%), Diggers
3: Bombers, Builders (100%), Bashers (100%), Miners
4: Bombers, Builders (100%), Bashers (100%), Miners (100%)
5: Bombers, Builders (glitch?), Miners (100%), Diggers (100%)
6: Bashers (100%, not so much a glitch as an oversight in the level's design)
7: Builders (100%), Bashers (100%)
8: No solutions found
9: Bashers
10: No solutions found
11: Miners (100%), Diggers
12: Builders (100%), Bashers (100%)
13: Builders (100%)
14: No solutions found
15: Builders (100%)
16: No solutions found
Blitz
1: No solutions found
2: No solutions found
3: Diggers (100%)
4: No solutions found
5: No solutions found
6: Bashers (100%)
7: Builders (glitch, 100%)
8: No solutions found
9: No solutions found
10: Builders (100%)
11: No solutions found
12: No solutions found
13: No solutions found
14: Miners (100%)
15: No solutions found
16: No solutions found
Random Trivia
- The level which inspired me to create this topic upon discovering the solution to was Tame 7, with builders.
- Two levels can be beaten with no skills at all, those being Wild 9 and Hail 6. The former requires a glitch to do this, the latter does not.
- There is no level on which all 8 skills, or even 7 of the skills, have potential solutions. However, there are two so far which 6 different skills offer potential solutions (in both cases, Floaters are one of the skills that do not, one of the cases has Climbers as the other skill and one has Blockers). There are plenty of levels for which 5 skills offer solutions, in the majority of these it's Climbers, Floaters and Blockers that don't.
Post by: Proxima on July 22, 2009, 01:16:19 PM
1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11?, 13, 14?, 16?, 18, 19, 21?, 24, 25, 26, 27, 30
Post by: namida on July 22, 2009, 01:47:02 PM
12 might or might not be, I'm not sure. How many builders does it give you again?
14 is not. 16 should be, though.
Why isn't 20 on that list? I would think it could be done... (Builders again)
21, I *think*, should be doable.
I'll try these ones out.
Results:
11: Fail
12: Fail
16: Pass with builders (Also, as it was well under 2 minutes, and used exactly 20 builders (one of which could've been avoided), I think Taxing 3 could also be done since it gives you 30 builders, and I only lost 5 lemmings here who, through a few more builders, could've been saved - some of them could've been saved as is, had I tried harder)
20: Pass with builders (This one is freaking GENIUS! Try it!)
21: Pass with bashers
Taxing3: SUCCESS.
Post by: Fleech on July 22, 2009, 02:09:42 PM
Post by: ccexplore on July 22, 2009, 10:04:40 PM
Here's Tricky 29 using only bashers.
Post by: ccexplore on July 22, 2009, 11:11:23 PM
Wicked: None yet
Add Wicked 6 to the list. It can be done with just miners due to the unusually low % required, letting you ignore the far left and far right entrances completely. It's also the minimum skill and under-1-minute solution, as others had already discovered in the corresponding threads.
Post by: Yawg on July 22, 2009, 11:41:14 PM
EDIT: Just managed to pull it off
Post by: ccexplore on July 23, 2009, 12:05:00 AM
I'm 99% sure Fun 12 is doable with bashers.
You're correct.
Replay attached.
Post by: Clam on July 23, 2009, 01:01:08 AM
My challenge thread on the old forum (link in my sig) has some "builder-only" challenges that you can add to the list. Though I see you've found some of these already
Post by: ccexplore on July 23, 2009, 01:32:05 AM
Along the same lines, Fun 14 is possible as well.
I was working on that. Here we go, replay attached.
Post by: LemSteven on July 23, 2009, 02:33:32 AM
1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 8, 9, 13, 15, 17, 22, 29
I suspect 28 is also possible using the sliding glitch, but it would require a lot of release rate adjustments to get everyone (or almost everone) bunched together without a blocker. I think I'll let Clam Spammer or ccexplore look at this one, as they are better suited for these types of challenges than I am.
Post by: Yawg on July 23, 2009, 03:10:33 AM
Post by: ccexplore on July 23, 2009, 03:14:25 AM
I suspect 28 is also possible using the sliding glitch, but it would require a lot of release rate adjustments to get everyone (or almost everone) bunched together without a blocker.
Actually it wasn't too bad, you can keep the RR at the same number for the most part. It turns out I can easily adapt my 100%, 10 builders + 2 climbers solution from the challenge thread into a 96% builders-only solution. The level only requires 90%.
Post by: Dullstar on July 23, 2009, 03:24:04 AM
Here's how to pull it off:
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This uses the nuke glitch. Nuke the level just before the second lemming comes out. One of the easiest levels to perform a glitch on ever, in my opinion.
Post by: Clam on July 23, 2009, 08:54:15 AM
From my "builder-only challenges", you can also add:
Tricky 26
Taxing 10 (same as Tricky 6)
Taxing 15
Mayhem 18
Wicked 13
Wicked 17
Wicked 18
Frost 9
Blitz 10
Post by: namida on July 23, 2009, 04:14:33 PM
Clam, do you have a replay for Crazy 4? I simply *cannot* see it being possible without the climber... I've added it to the list anyway, but I'd just like to see it in action, that's all.
Post by: namida on July 23, 2009, 04:38:13 PM
I tried it.
It can.
Post by: Yawg on July 23, 2009, 07:14:10 PM
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Simply use 3 bridges to get a lemming to the top through the last gap in the top pipe, then build to the exit
Post by: LemSteven on July 24, 2009, 12:01:44 AM
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The general idea is to create a small holding cell and get everone bunched up in it, save one. That one lemming clears the path and hits steel on his last swipe, and then turns around so he can mine the others out of the cell. If the holding cell is sufficiently small, enough will survive the traps to pass the level.
Post by: ccexplore on July 24, 2009, 02:09:40 AM
I've just confirmed Fun 17 using miners.
Wow, good job!
Attached is my own attempt on this. I think I used the same basic idea LemSteven did, but I used one additional trick with the lemmings from the leftmost entrance to help improve the odds of success. The attached solution saves 52% (26). [edit: improve to 60% (30), probably can't get much higher than that with this method]
Post by: namida on July 24, 2009, 09:37:31 AM
. Please also mention if the solution uses a glitch.
Post by: ccexplore on July 24, 2009, 09:56:34 AM
Also, instead of saying "not possible", I think it's more accurate to say "no solution given" or something like that.
Post by: namida on July 24, 2009, 10:11:25 AM
Post by: Clam on July 24, 2009, 11:37:51 AM
8: Miners and diggers? I'd like to see some replays...
10: Possible with builders. (100%)
21: Possible with bombers (not fully confirmed, but almost certainly possible)
25: Possible with diggers (100%)
27: Possible with floaters (nuke glitch)
Post by: namida on July 24, 2009, 11:48:46 AM
Post by: Fleech on July 24, 2009, 12:25:55 PM
I've just had a disappointing attempt at Taxing 14. The fall height from the head is too big.
Post by: namida on July 24, 2009, 12:28:15 PM
Post by: ccexplore on July 24, 2009, 07:50:14 PM
The main problem is there're not enough builders to hold back the crowd sufficiently while you build your path to your exit. I needed 6 builders to block off the right side, then 6 to get to the last pillar, and then 8 to reach the exit, leaving no spare builders for things like holding back the crowd or even delaying a lemming.
Post by: ccexplore on July 24, 2009, 08:19:45 PM
Fun 30 100% using diggers attached.
Post by: ccexplore on July 24, 2009, 10:21:46 PM
Post by: Clam on July 25, 2009, 01:17:18 AM
Here's a bombers-only solution for Fun 21 AND Mayhem 26.
Post by: ccexplore on July 25, 2009, 01:29:58 AM
Post by: LemSteven on July 25, 2009, 01:39:12 AM
Post by: ccexplore on July 25, 2009, 01:57:28 AM
Also, I'm pretty sure that someone like ccexplore just might be able to pull off Mayhem 2 with builders using the sliding glitch.
Actually someone else basically already did this. Take this 100% Mayhem 2 solution replay (I think from tseug on the old old forum), and just omit all the moves that uses climbers. The crowd being raised by the sliding glitch has 75 lemmings and you only need 72, so it suffices.
Naturally, the next question would be whether it's possible to do 100% using only builders.
Post by: Clam on July 25, 2009, 02:19:50 AM
2: climbers (nuke glitch), miners, diggers
3: miners, diggers
5: miners, diggers
6: bombers, miners (100%), diggers
7: climbers (nuke glitch), bashers (100%)
9: climbers (nuke glitch), bashers (100%)
10: miners
11: miners (100%), diggers
12: miners, diggers
14: bashers (100%)
16: diggers
Post by: ccexplore on July 25, 2009, 03:48:35 AM
Random Trivia
You might want to hold off on that, until this thread has settled down. For example:
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- The widest variety that does not allow for 100% in any way goes to Fun 8. Three different skills can be used, yet 100% cannot be acheived with any of them.
False. I thought it's pretty well known that you can get 100% on both Fun 8 and Tricky 22 with builders alone, but the 100% replay posted on the Lemmings File Archive apparently uses a basher. Anyway, replay attached.
Post by: Clam on July 25, 2009, 09:11:06 AM
Fun 10 with diggers can be done with 100% saved, and this level can also be done with miners (not with 100% though - replay attached).
Fun 16 with builders can be done with 100%, contrary to what your "random trivia" says - this was one of my "builder-only challenges".
Fun 21 with miners and Fun 30 with bombers are also possible. Replays attached
Post by: namida on July 25, 2009, 10:25:16 AM
Fun 21 with miners is interesting, though.
Post by: namida on July 25, 2009, 11:04:27 AM
Here's my replay anyway, might as well post it.
Anyway, I had an idea that we should try to get a complete list of replays and compile an archive for the challenge. (For the nuke glitch, just make the replay as you would if it did work). To be standard, use the following filename format:
[Rating][Level]_[skill]_[100]_[glitch]_[username].lrb
For example, Fun 1 with diggers saving 100% done by me would be Fun01_diggers_100_namida.lrb. Tricky 5 done with climbers using a glitch by me would be Tricky05_climbers_glitch_namida.lrb.
This way, we can create a full archive of replays for this challenge.
I've already made replays for all skills on Fun 1 to 8, and bashers on Fun 9, as well as Mayhem 6 and Mayhem 18 with builders, and Tricky 22 with both bombers and builders.
Just to make this easier, could you all please post a full list of replays you've done so far?
The whole idea is only one replay per skill per level, with the priority order (lowest to highest) being glitch non-100, non-glitch non-100 and glitch 100, non-glitch 100. In the case of two with the same existing for the same level, the one that was posted first will be accepted. In the case of a non-glitch but non-100% and a glitch 100% existing simultaneously, both will be added.
Post by: ccexplore on July 25, 2009, 03:17:18 PM
Wild
9: No skills at all (glitch, 100%), Builders (glitch, 100%), Bashers (glitch, 100%)
Um, have you actually try the one with builders? I'm not getting this to work in either Lemmix or DOS Lemmings. Even nuking at the latest possible moment (ie. immediately before the 2nd lemming comes out), if I start building close enough for the lemming to exit after laying down one brick, the explosion countdown reaches 0 before the builder can move up onto the brick and exit. If I start building a little farther away so that the builder can get up onto the build brick before the explosion countdown reaches 0, it's too far for him to hit the exit trigger.
Post by: Clam on July 26, 2009, 12:00:46 AM
Here's Havoc 6 with miners, without using the direct drop trick.
And Havoc 10 can be done with builders, of course.
Post by: ccexplore on July 26, 2009, 11:26:45 AM
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Using the Fun 12 basher trick, you can gather lemmings from 3 of the 4 entrances into the same area.
By the way, namida, the Fun 14 bashers-only solution saves 100%, which your list fails to indicate.
Post by: ccexplore on July 26, 2009, 02:00:43 PM
Post by: namida on July 26, 2009, 02:55:21 PM
Post by: Clam on July 27, 2009, 06:58:09 AM
Here's 1 and 17, both with builders.
Post by: namida on July 27, 2009, 08:32:17 AM
However, Tame 17 is freaking AMAZING.
Post by: ccexplore on July 27, 2009, 09:26:54 AM
For those who're trying this sort of solution, here's an important fact of game mechanics to keep in mind:
Falling lemmings cannot exit, they must actually land (even if it would've been a splat) first before they can exit. So make sure to exclude from the crowd those lemmings that would've exploded very close to the exit's ground.
Post by: Clam on July 27, 2009, 10:54:44 AM
Anyway, here's a couple more that I missed earlier. Tame 15 and 18 with miners. (I was using my miners wrong before...
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Post by: namida on July 27, 2009, 11:26:02 AM
Post by: ccexplore on July 27, 2009, 08:30:26 PM
Post by: Clam on July 28, 2009, 12:56:53 AM
Post by: ccexplore on July 28, 2009, 01:15:35 AM
Fun 11: same 100% solution as Taxing 18's
Tricky 3: see attached
Tricky 4: I think this one is pretty obvious. I can provide a replay of only the key moves if people really need it.
Mayhem 25/Tricky 13: see attached, although this is a thoroughly conventional solution, so it's probably more fun to not watch the replay.
Mayhem 18: see attached. Again, mostly a conventional solution, the only thing remotely of interest is maybe how I started for the lower two entrances.
Post by: Clam on July 29, 2009, 06:07:52 AM
Fun 12 with bashers (replay attached)
Crazy 4 and 5 with builders (these levels require 100%)
Wicked 13, 17 and 18 with builders
Post by: Minim on July 29, 2009, 07:35:57 AM
Post by: namida on July 29, 2009, 08:54:46 AM
Post by: Dullstar on July 29, 2009, 09:05:31 AM
Post by: namida on July 29, 2009, 09:40:18 AM
Post by: ccexplore on July 29, 2009, 10:13:58 AM
Here are a number of differences I can think of off top of my head between the Amiga and DOS versions:
1) time runs out faster on the Amiga version compared with DOS
2) direct drop to exit doesn't work
3) nuke glitch doesn't work
4) cannot change release rate with game paused
5) I think the basher's terrain removal can reach one pixel further horizontally on the Amiga (but the logic determine when to stop bashing etc. are all identical)
6) the backstroke of the basher (when you use the trick of having the basher remove some terrain "behind" him) is distinctly different
7) the digger requires more pixels around him to continue digging. In DOS it continues as long as any 1 of the 9 pixels of terrain are present. In Amiga, I think you need at least 1 of the 7 pixels of terrain (ie. excluding the leftmos and rightmost pixels of the 9) to be present.
Also, not only do most levels have 100 lemmings instead of 80, a number of levels have stricter requirements on the Amiga compared with DOS (eg. Taxing 22, Mayhem 4, Mayhem 26), meaning requiring 100% and/or given less skills.
That said, most of the glitches on DOS Lemmings do work on the Amiga, including the sliding glitch, the "climb-through-terrain" glitch, miner glitches, Wicked 7 glitch, and steel destruction glitches.
Post by: Dullstar on July 29, 2009, 10:29:03 AM
Post by: Clam on August 01, 2009, 03:22:19 AM
Frost
1: bashers (100%)
2: floaters (100%)
5: bashers (100%)
8: bombers, builders (possibly 100%, not confirmed), bashers (100%), miners (100%), diggers (100%)
9: builders (100%) [this is already on the list]
13: builders (nuke glitch, 100%)
Hail
2: bombers
6: no skills, blockers
7: builders (100%)
12: builders (100%)
Post by: namida on August 01, 2009, 10:47:22 AM
Also, for Frost 8, by looking at the level I can't see how it would be possible to beat with builders yet not acheive 100% with them...
Post by: Clam on August 01, 2009, 11:01:31 AM
By the way, how did you do Flurry 7 and 14 with builders? I've tried both of these without success.
Post by: namida on August 01, 2009, 11:37:36 AM
As for Flurry 7, though:
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The terrain already confines the lemmings, and this confinement is easy to break out of. You can therefore make the LAST lemming build over this confined area, thus giving you a worker lemming. For the spikes at the end, the spacing is such that if you build from the top of one then walk off that bridge, you'll land on the top of another one. The rest is very simple.
And for those who'd rather see it in action, I've attached a replay.
I think, like the Flurry 3 with 1 skill in the Fewest Skills topic, this too was a simple oversight on everyone else's part. But, part of why it may have been overlooked is that, rather than using glitches or misuse of skills that everyone else is mostly looking at, it simply uses unexpected but classic-style lemmings logic.
Post by: ccexplore on August 01, 2009, 11:53:48 AM
I think, like the Flurry 3 with 1 skill in the Fewest Skills topic, this too was a simple oversight on everyone else's part.
"Everyone else" but me anyway. I have not begun to look at the Holiday Lemming levels for this thread yet, although I guess it's time since it does look like there isn't much else to do in Lemmings or ONML for this.
Post by: geoo on August 01, 2009, 11:50:01 PM
Some of these achievements are pretty amazing though, especially ClamSpammer's and ccexplore's.
Attached is Tame 12 with miners only and 100% saved (which wasn't previously noted), borderline glitchy.
Post by: Clam on August 01, 2009, 11:59:42 PM
.Great work
Post by: namida on August 02, 2009, 02:58:02 AM
Post by: Clam on August 02, 2009, 04:30:36 AM
Yes, Flurry 7 was an oversight from me. Sometimes I get stuck in one method of thinking, and don't consider other options. And sometimes that doesn't work
If Flurry 14 is at all possible, it certainly requires the direct drop trick and should be marked as a glitch solution.
Post by: Dullstar on August 02, 2009, 06:27:11 AM
Post by: Clam on August 02, 2009, 07:02:02 AM
Post by: Proxima on August 02, 2009, 11:56:28 AM
Post by: ccexplore on August 02, 2009, 12:32:40 PM
Direct drop is in every version as if they never bothered to fix it, isn't it? There is a chance that it is supposed to happen.
I don't know what other versions it works on besides DOS. This means it actually works in less version than glitches like the sliding glitch and the miner glitch. And if you look at DOS Lemming's game programming it is pretty clearly not intended. The game explicitly disallows fallers from exiting, and what actually happens with the direct drop is that the game incorrectly does an object check on the lemming after turning it from falling to splattering. Because the lemming is no longer marked falling, the game lets it exit even though it's supposed to be splattering.
Post by: ccexplore on August 02, 2009, 02:25:22 PM
FrostFrost 5 also possible with miners only (100% of course since it's required).
5: bashers (100%)
Post by: ccexplore on August 02, 2009, 04:44:29 PM
Post by: Dullstar on August 02, 2009, 06:23:07 PM
Post by: namida on August 03, 2009, 06:19:21 AM
FrostFrost 5 also possible with miners only (100% of course since it's required).
5: bashers (100%)
...link to version of Lemmix that includes '94 levels plz?
Post by: ccexplore on August 03, 2009, 12:08:37 PM
...link to version of Lemmix that includes '94 levels plz?
I just use Lemmix and edit the LemmixStyles.ini file to point to files from the actual games. You can download the four Holiday Lemmings games from abandonia.com. Link below (download contains all four):
http://www.abandonia.com/en/downloadgame/234
Post by: Clam on August 23, 2009, 01:26:46 AM
1) Tricky 6 and Taxing 10 should be marked as glitch solutions because they require direct drop,
2) We haven't finished yet!
Post by: Clam on August 24, 2009, 06:52:37 AM
Blitz
3: diggers (100%)
6: bashers (100%)
7: builders (100% with sliding glitch)
14: miners (100%)
Post by: Minim on September 20, 2009, 07:10:34 PM
Post by: Pooty on September 20, 2009, 08:14:36 PM
Post by: LemSteven on September 20, 2009, 09:19:43 PM
Post by: Minim on September 24, 2009, 09:22:13 PM
Flurry 13 with Builders (100%). Don't need a replay for this. Here is the solution:
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Up the rate to 99 at the start. Let the last lemming build to the wall without turning round. Let him build over the other gap.
Post by: Clam on September 24, 2009, 09:56:26 PM
Post by: ccexplore on September 28, 2011, 05:24:43 AM
Post by: Clam on October 16, 2011, 10:14:40 PM
2: Miners (100%), 'undermine' to stop miners
5: Builders (used direct drop, but this may be avoidable), a nuke solution much like Tame 17
11: Miners (100%), undermining again
12: Bashers (100%), just stack bashers and you'll get through to the right exit without losing any.
Replay attached for 5, the others are easy.
Post by: ccexplore on November 08, 2011, 11:33:07 AM
Fun 10 with diggers can be done with 100% saved, and this level can also be done with miners (not with 100% though - replay attached).
miners improved to 100%
Post by: MASTER-88 on November 19, 2020, 03:43:54 AM
Mayhem 18 Then there were four... could be done 100% saved using builders only. Just make one challenge solution. I did use all 30 builders my video and skip use all others skills.
I never are see anyone make that before.
here is Snes video. Its probably can done few less builder. (1-2 less)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edHOvG9cey0&ab_channel=metroidmaster88
Post by: WillLem on November 19, 2020, 07:07:01 AM
Mayhem 18 Then there were four... could be done 100% saved using builders only...
here is Snes video. Its probably can done few less builder.
Great solution, well played! This inspired me to try it in fewer Builders. Of course, it's much easier to do this in NeoLemmix than on the SNES! Here it is in 25 :lemcat: