Quote(a) move to another frame to make the desired assignment

On a same-lemming assignment? If you add your new assignment after/before the existing assignment, you waste a skill, or you produce garbage that's going to waste a skill on the next frame and cancel your worker lemming. (a) doesn't work around a same-lemming clash; this is different than for a different-lemming clash.

Quote(b) manually delete the existing action (and future, if desired) via the replay editor.

Obviously we disagree here.

I'll write more in late November 2025 because I'll be short on time these days. Until then, focus on other bugs.

In the meantime: I encourage other players to join.

-- Simon

Quote from: WillLem on November 03, 2025, 07:59:50 PMA separate column negates the benefit of seeing all replay actions in frame order

I didn't mean a second list. All entries will still be in the same list as before, sorted as before. I meant: Add "Inserted"/... to the line, and tabulate the lines so that all those "Inserted" will be in a separate column.

The ideal UI widget for the single list will then be a table, not merely spaces/tab characters, because presentation with those characters depends on the font (Windows vs. Wine). Consider: You already have plenty of content to satisfy a table layout because you show a lemming ID, a skill, and a physics update number.

Quote from: WillLem on November 03, 2025, 07:59:50 PMWe could even add a "?" button next to this text which would open a dialog explaining Replay Insert mode in more detail.

Yeah, it's warranted because the replay editor is an expert feature and has already broken game immersion. If you must explain it, you may as well explain it instead of redesign it.

-- Simon

Quote from: WillLem on October 25, 2025, 10:01:13 PMit wouldn't be a simple case of just changing the #FF00FF value as I'd hoped

Quote from: GigaLem on November 04, 2025, 12:29:36 AMyou're gonna need more than my choice to decide.

During clear physics mode, lemmings are dark blue, which is too dark. Whatever you do for trigger areas should match/allow future fixes for lemmings.

See, e.g., the ideas for defaults from Abolish color cycling, pick good non-clashing colors. If you (WillLem) are about to paint yourself into a corner with the trigger areas, keep those other issues in mind.

How urgent are different trigger area color in the game anyway? All the time, I thought Giga's bug report here was about the editor only. And now WillLem wants to change the game even in light of these new design hurdles.

-- Simon

I couldn't answer this earlier but for the whole In game color. I feel you're gonna need more than my choice to decide. I can say the Baja Teal for ingame if I really want to but I want to know other's input if Baja Teal is a favorable choice, or if there's something else that contrasts without being too bright or hard on the eyes. Not to mention accessibility issues considering if say someone is colorblind, but thats another discussion.

Blow me away, I wish I can make levels like this with the original sets. I struggle to make stuff look good when using the original stuff.

  looking awesome so far!

11-13: The Diving Board

Quote from: LemSteven on June 26, 2011, 07:19:28 AMLemmings Revolution
(100% unless noted)

The level "Diving Board" isn't mentioned in LemSteven's list, so one might assume it's 100% solvable. However, I couldn't find a video of a 100% version; even YouTuber Pirohiko only managed a 99/100 solution. The reason for this quickly became clear when I played the level myself: you have to turn two Lemmings into blockers, but you can only use the "reset a bomber" glitch on one of them because you only have one bomb available. At that moment, I remembered an old post by ccexplore where he mentioned that nuking can also be used for the "reset a bomber" method:

Quote from: ccexplore on December 16, 2011, 10:25:51 PMBombers

• reset a bomber:  after a bomber finishes the countdown ("oh-no") but before he actually explodes, you can assign a non-bomber, non-permanent skill, and this will "reset" him so he doesn't explode.  This works on blockers about to explode too, so you can free a blocker this way.
• The same glitch above also works with lemmings about to explode due to nuking, after the nuke countdown finishes when the lemmings start their "oh-no".

So I waited until all the Lemmings were in the balloon and then pressed "nuke." And indeed, the "reset a bomber" worked. You can find some pictures of it attached.

Quote from: Simon on October 27, 2025, 09:13:01 PMIIRC we have refactored that into its own side-effect-free question. All the hard work is already done, and it's clear what happens if you ask twice.

Yes, this is the stuff we worked on together It's nice and clean, and could be used for this purpose if necessary, but I'd rather find a better way tbh.

Quote from: Simon on October 27, 2025, 09:13:01 PMIt can also be natural to move the decision later.

This feels like the best thing to do. It could even be the very last check before moving on to the next frame; we will already have determined whether or not time has run out, so can call the sound once all other processing is complete.

Quote from: Simon on October 27, 2025, 09:13:01 PMI wouldn't cue the effect one physics frame later, unless that's what you always want; i.e., even if we continued play, you'd want the effect exactly one frame later.

There may actually be good reasons to have the sound cue on the "-1" frame as opposed to the "0" frame. At frame 0, we're technically still in "lemmings can be saved, all actions count" territory. Why does the sound need to be cued on this frame, then?

Does L2 provide any further context than just their names? I imagine they're both in the Highland tribe...?

Quote from: Simon on November 02, 2025, 01:46:54 PMSpeculation: It means that the assignment entered the replay during insert mode.

This is correct. I agree, we could do more to make this clearer.

Quote from: Simon on November 02, 2025, 01:46:54 PMWrite static explanatory text in the tweaker.

This is my preferred solution of the ones you've suggested. A separate column negates the benefit of seeing all replay actions in frame order, which is the most useful way to present them. Ditching the blue isn't completely out of the question, but then we'd need some other way of denoting these actions (prepend "[R]" to the action? Hm, we'd still need explanation, and there's no reason we couldn't keep the blue text as well).

So, we can simply add some text at the top which says "Actions in blue added during Replay Insert mode" or something similar. We could even add a "?" button next to this text which would open a dialog explaining Replay Insert mode in more detail.

Thoughts?