Quote from: mobius on April 19, 2026, 06:39:50 PMWhile I agree it's nice to have a selection of various styles all around, I would caution against making this a major concern. I did for a while and I think the pack overall suffered because I kept this in mind.

Don't worry, it's only something I thought of doing for the first 10 levels, and after that I won't think much about style balance (e.g. in the draft ordering, Levels 16, 17 and 19 are all Pillar). It might be something I consider as a deciding factor if I'm torn between two levels that could go either way, but that's all.

QuoteI'd agree Pipe Dream is a better level than the "gotta save em all". This is a good level for very early on and very a pack that's intended to be *very* beginner friendly, which I'm not sure is the best fit for this pack? But if so, then it fits.

It's meant to start easy and build up difficulty gradually. Yes, I'll probably put Pipe Dream back in in the next draft.

QuoteOh BTW; did you guys already figure out which levels are going into which pack; is it based on age?

No, that was just an idea Will had, but I think it's a non-starter; I have enough on my plate without having to sleuth out level release dates, and it's a really arbitrary way to split the pack anyway. Instead, I think that in terms of difficulty, if the levels we are using were rated from 1 to 10, pack 1 would include levels from 1 to 8, pack 2 would be 3 to 10. So there's a lot of overlap, but all the easiest levels should go in pack 1 and all the hardest ones in pack 2. When it comes to sorting out the middle ranks, I'll just go by feeling, although there will be some rules, such as: repeat pairs should stay in the same pack; levels with similar solutions should be split up.

Hi @Tiduas,

Thank you for sharing with us! I must say, you have a great voice and accent!

Anyway, I responded with my thoughts to your question in your pinned comment on the video. Please let me know if you're able to see it. If not, I can repost my comment which I luckily have saved just in case. I'm not certain if YouTube has taken issue with it just because I linked to some playlists in the comment.

While I agree it's nice to have a selection of various styles all around, I would caution against making this a major concern. I did for a while and I think the pack overall suffered because I kept this in mind. There's simply way more quality levels of certain styles (marble and pillar for example) than others and trying to shoehorn in levels of other types may have hurt the overall quality.

I'd agree Pipe Dream is a better level than the "gotta save em all". This is a good level for very early on and very a pack that's intended to be *very* beginner friendly, which I'm not sure is the best fit for this pack? But if so, then it fits.
I can give more feedback later when I have time.

Oh BTW; did you guys already figure out which levels are going into which pack; is it based on age?

Thank you for the solution and the head up kaywhyn.
I downloaded the dirt and dirt_md styles again, and the solution provided by MASTER-88 works fine now. For some reason my dirt styles were wrong.

Hi all!

I have made Youtube content for a few years very casually. And while I've always been a huge Lemmings fan I haven't done anything with the franchise yet... until now!

I'm currently experimenting a bit with tier list videos as I really enjoy the process of making them and just made a video about the Lemmings version I grew up with, the one for the Super Nintendo.
I would love to see how my opinion differs from yours on the topic of Lemmings music and anyone watching gets a huge "thank you" from me. I hope it's okay to post this here, otherwise I'll remove it ASAP of course. I also hope it's a fun watch or at least is good second monitor content while doing other stuff! 

Ranking ALL Music in Lemmings (SNES) [Tier List] (54 minutes)

@Guigui

My gold talisman solution for level 18 - Reaper Work. Also that's strange that your image shows the level in Genesis dirt instead of orig_dirt as it should just be the Amiga version of You live and Lem/The Steel Mines of Kessel. Replay that Master-88 posted works fine for me, so not sure why it's not working for you.

@Guigui

Wow, nicely done with Whiteout 13 with the save all! My pleasure on the level help and yup, that's exactly the way to save way more time to get the level done within the original 10 minute time limit.

Sometime last year, I was able to get in contact with Dragonslover on YouTube and asked him about The Snow Palace level. He tells me that he doesn't remember what's intended for the level anymore, as he made it a really long time ago, when he was only a pre-teen, and that he likely didn't test it enough. Hence why for a long time I thought the level wasn't solvable and that either the time limit was a mistake or if not that, then maybe the skillset wasn't right. Indeed, it's likely a mixture of both, as on the Dos version (what the level was originally for) the icicle trap is misplaced and doesn't kill the Lemmings. Then, early last year, I was finally able to find a solution on SuperLemmini, which was the engine that jkapp76 originally made this pack for in the 2010s prior to porting it over to NL with assistance from me a few years ago. I tried to replicate the SuperLemmini solution I found to the NL version, only to find out it would work if the player was given 1 additional digger. My speculation here is that it's not that digger pits are wider in SuperLemmini than they are in NL, but rather Lemmings are able to walk further into walls on the former before turning around. Then again, I just tried the Dos version and the level works as is with the original 50 builders and 10 diggers. This here would definitely be a difference in the digger mechanics between Dos and NL, as you can make it through with the remaining 7 diggers in the former but not in NL.

Since you were able to save everyone, I'll probably just restore it to the original 50 builders then while just providing the 1 extra digger. Thank you for showing me that it's possible to optimize my solution at the start with one less builder!

Whereas for a pack recommendation to play next, how about Deceit's Lemmings? Excellent classic 8 skills pack which does get hard later on, especially near the very end, but it doesn't get crazy hard like most packs do around the end.

https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=2731.0   

Quote from: Nota_Steve on April 18, 2026, 07:25:29 PMI am really humbled that you chose to play through my level pack, thank you so much, and thank you so much for your feedback, your critique (all of which is fair) and your compliments have really given me an incite into not only how I can make this level pack better, but how I can improve on my ideas for the second pack I am currently working on.

My pleasure I'm always so grateful for new level packs to play and for all the creators who make them to entertain the community! I'll certainly be up for playing your second level pack when it's done.

QuoteI have watched your replays and again, much as the same with a couple of my friends and kaywhyn, I would like to address a couple of the levels in the next coming days and release a smaller little pack with just the reworked levels on. I would like to know how difficult it is to achieve the intended solution (or one of the few in many levels cases).

From what I've seen, it seems to be standard practice to make successive versions of the same pack - i.e. v2, v3 etc. - with a few levels updated and the rest unchanged. The problem with extracting certain levels to make another smaller pack is that if those also get backrouted, are you going to keep making smaller and smaller packs with updated levels? I would've thought it would be easier if you just released a NotaLems v2. Up to you though; your updates will be played either way, I'm sure!

QuoteAlso, thank you for being very welcoming to me and even taking the time to offer as much as you have to me, it really means a lot.

Very well played!

Cheers! I was made to feel welcome by forum members when I joined not so long ago after being a lurker for many years, so glad you feel the same way!

Quote from: Guigui on April 18, 2026, 09:21:52 PMI'd also like to play the pack. But will there be some updates ? I'd rather play after updates since everyone already played before...

Hi Guigui,

Yes, I'm currently working on a few reworks on some of the levels, I should be done within the next few days.

@Proxima The 1-20 draft is looking good so far. I have only these comments to add:

Quote from: Proxima on April 19, 2026, 02:03:20 AM1-7 The Small Jail: From v4. Should we cut out one group of lemmings?

I would say don't cut a group of lemmings. The level's symmetry is part of its aesthetic and appeal.

Quote from: Proxima on April 19, 2026, 02:03:20 AM1-19 Lem Dunk: From v4. Increased RR and lowered save requirement, since we can't use (NeoLemmix) RR below 50.

We can use RR <50 for the NeoLemmix version, no need to change it. IMO, the RetroLemmini version can be different in this regard.

Quote from: Proxima on April 19, 2026, 02:03:20 AMPipe Dream: Not sure about including this, but if we drop "Gotta Save 'em All!" this could replace it so we still have a bubble level in the first 10.

Of the two, Pipe Dream is easily the better level, but "Gotta Save 'em All!" has a better title. Feels like it (the title) should be used somewhere.