It's a very tricky question, exactly how far it's okay to change other people's levels. As mobius listed in his post above, in v4 he changed a few levels to 10-of-all that weren't originally, and on the one hand, that is changing them from the author's intent, but on the other hand, the pack benefits from having some easy levels to start with. So I'd love to hear more people's opinions on what to do with those levels, and with the start of the pack in general.

Of course, some levels are remakes of Cheapo or Lix levels, so the NL versions are already changed from how they were originally.

I am completely against changing levels just to make 100% possible. That you can't save 100% on every level has always been part of the game. "Betcha can't save" is designed so that saving even one is difficult, and that shouldn't be messed with.

Proxima asked for these levels to be specified:

easy repeats of later level:
Snowy Caves
Surrealism
Pipe Dream [not to be confused with a level in the outtakes folder of the same title by Shvegait)*
Neighbors
Nothing Gold can stay
Himalayan Lemmings
Minesweeper Lemmings
Canopy Lemmings


"ghost repeats": (these were levels of which the original (harder "later" version doesn't actually appear in the final pack)
Lemmington Spa
Headonist
Biosphere
Paitence Young Grasshopper
The Fearsome Foursome
Vacuum



*that said level btw, I can say was removed for some technical reason I can't remember. I wasn't able to solve it quickly just now, so I remember the solution (or find a solution atm). Or it might've been because it was very similar to another level in the pack

Spoiler

quick and simple compression method solution

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Quote from: WillLem on April 04, 2026, 01:44:58 PMI managed save 3 on Betcha can't save just one!, save 4 seems impossible. Do we want to edit levels to make 100% possible? I'm 50/50 on whether we should tbh.

The lists I posted are just there to document my favourites, really. Of course I'd like to see them included, but I'm equally happy to leave level selection entirely up to Proxima; I'll ultimately back whatever he decides upon, even if it means some of my picks don't make the cut. I also strongly support Mobius' picks as well.

Good work so far, everyone, keep it up!

If it helps (though it just might make decision more difficult actually) I can say that ISteve himself wouldn't care about this; he's stated both in regards to the Lix crowd and to myself when doing this; we could make edits to our hearts content. I'm not so sure about everyone else. For myself; like I stated before I was a bit more uneasy about this for myself. It's partly why I haven't been doing this anymore, and why for instance, when I do, if I still do Ben Bryant's levelpack, I'm probably going to leave the levels as is- with (alleged) backroutes and all (ISteve also said actually at one point "you can keep the backroutes in, either way" or something like this).

Maybe it's better to make this decision on a level-by-level basis? In the case of this example; Betcha can't save just one (or lose just one...): Personally I think altering things to make saving all 4 possible (especially the first "save" version) kind of spoils the concept a bit. Whereas other levels it can be plainly obvious something was a mistake on the author's part and they would overwhelmingly like that fixed. So I can't say I'm totally against that as well...

This pack has now been converted to .rlv for RetroLemmini. Post here if you encounter any issues playing this pack, have any replays to share, or general comments/feedback.

Enjoy MazuLems!

MazuLems - originally by Martin Zurlinden, converted by ericderkovits.

Eric's conversion notes

ok, Here is Mazulems For Superlemmini. I got the levels from the Lemmings level database. Only had to do a few minor edits.

Mazulems is a small pack(30 levels + 2 extra levels) which uses the standard styles and the original 8 skills.

The levels use the standard Amiga lemmings music track except for levels 18 to 23 which use the ohno music track (to match NL's version thanks to Swerdis's Youtube play of the pack.)

Just extract the .rar to the main Superlemmini folder (will fall into place). There will be 3 folders(levels folder, music folder which has the ohno tracks for the 6 levels (the other amiga lemmings tracks should already be in the music folder so no need to include those), and a replays folder)

Now here is another great pack for Superlemmini. I've already started posting replays for the pack on my youtube channel.

I managed save 3 on Betcha can't save just one!, save 4 seems impossible. Do we want to edit levels to make 100% possible? I'm 50/50 on whether we should tbh.

The lists I posted are just there to document my favourites, really. Of course I'd like to see them included, but I'm equally happy to leave level selection entirely up to Proxima; I'll ultimately back whatever he decides upon, even if it means some of my picks don't make the cut. I also strongly support Mobius' picks as well.

Good work so far, everyone, keep it up!

Lem Dunk is possible to save all but one. It would almost certainly be possible to save 100% if the trapdoor order were 1 - 3 - 2, haven't verified this yet.

However, this depends on the RR being 25 in NeoLemmix, which is slower than the slowest possible RR in other engines, so that's something we would have to change anyway.

WillLem voted for keeping the Mazu / Clam / IS levels (and Betcha can't save is by IS) so I'm pretty sure he does want it considered for v5 

Quote from: mobius on April 04, 2026, 01:53:01 AMLem dunk -- I'm *pretty* sure saving 100% is possible, might be pretty tough though, its been a long time since I've played this level.

Definitely impossible to 100% given the skillset and the level design. The middle hatch is second to spawn, after the left entrance, so even if you build as late as possible with the first Lemming, you won't be able to catch the first Lemming that spawns from the middle hatch before he lands in the water. So, you're guaranteed at least one loss on the level no matter what.

QuoteBetcha can't save just one! - as is; saving 100%, I wanna say somebody did it at some point but with a lot of trickery, maybe even glitchery. Saving 3 is at least doable considering there is the level (not included here) "Betcha can't lose just one!" which is essentially a repeat with the same skills.

The v2.0 pack has a talisman for saving 3 for "Betcha can't save just one!" This level is currently not in the v4.0 pack, so it sounds like WillLem wants it considered for inclusion for v5 Unless he's simply stating the level as one of his favorites on his list.

Quote from: WillLem on April 04, 2026, 12:19:52 AMThe only thing I'd suggest is that perhaps rather than a fixed number limit, it may be best to set a deadline after which "no more fixes" is put in place (similar to namida's approach with NL). That might be more appropriate for this particular project, and means that you can revise levels as many times as you see fit up until that date.

Not a bad idea actually. This will ultimately depend on what levels made the cut and how easy they are to backroute fix.

QuoteAgreed, with the exception of Proxima drafting the first pack. It's a good way to get the ball rolling, and is unlikely to be impacted too much by the votes anyway.

Honestly, I would had waited for the poll to close before doing even the task of selecting levels, but if some people want to do so (and already have, from what it sounds like from at least 2 or 3 people), then sure, I guess Just don't want it to be a case of work gets done only for it to be all for naught because there were more "no's" than "yeses" when the poll closes Again, I highly doubt the yeses will get overturned, but you never know. Though of course we could always override the poll decision and still go ahead with the project even in the case of the no's having more votes. Then in this case, when the level selection gets done wouldn't matter anymore, whether before or after the poll closes

It doesn't really matter, as I'll be the one putting the pack together for this awesome community anyway based on what we decide as a group on what levels should and shouldn't make the cut. It's good practice for me anyway, as I too have a level pack of my own that's been a WIP for some time now Link with more info in my signature      

QuoteWhatever kaywhyn decides as regards to backroute-fix limits, it seems to be clear to all of us that there should be a limit, and that limit shouldn't be surpassed, at least not by any of us.

One of the main purposes of this project is to have a set-and-forget couple of packs which don't need endless maintenance, and then a new pack to which we can add levels going forward.

If any issues with the levels do arise after the finished product is posted, I may still continue to do long-term maintenance on the pack and release updates as appropriate and if I see it necessary, even if no one else is interested in working on it further. That's fine with me if so I will very likely post and ask if what I spot is necessary to fix before doing so    

Quote from: Proxima on April 02, 2026, 04:36:56 PMv2 has 210 levels (7 x 30), not 270 as I said in my earlier post. I've fixed the post now with all the calculations that follow from this. The total number of available levels (v2 and v4 combined) is still 341.

Heh, didn't even notice your inaccuracy on the level count for the V2 pack Thank you for your complete honesty

I voted, but as stated elsewhere I don't really have strong feelings on the matter.

to respond to some of your comments:

Lem dunk -- I'm *pretty* sure saving 100% is possible, might be pretty tough though, its been a long time since I've played this level.

Betcha can't save just one! - as is; saving 100%, I wanna say somebody did it at some point but with a lot of trickery, maybe even glitchery. Saving 3 is at least doable considering there is the level (not included here) "Betcha can't lose just one!" which is essentially a repeat with the same skills.