Excellent question. The answer to the 4th scenario of whether it's possible for the digger AND basher to both stop in NL is "no." So, don't waste your time trying to get it to happen, as you won't succeed in getting both to stop no matter what As a matter of fact, the only situation I know of where both skills can stop are two miners cancelling out each other. This is of course extremely fiddly and difficult to pull off, but it IS possible. In all other situations, such as basher and miner, miner and digger, etc., one of the 3 outcomes you already spelled out will happen, but never both will stop.

mod edit: Changed topic title to be a bit more descriptive and to reflect the question regarding the 4th scenario in Guigui's post

Consider the joined picture where the bottom lemming will bash through, and the upper lemming will dig down. There are different outcomes :

1) If you trigger the digger early, then the basher can stop in the digger pit and only the digger will continue.

2) If you trigger the digger later, then the digger can stop in the basher tunnel and only the basher will continue.

3) I know this is also possible to have the digger and the basher crossing each other's way without any of them to stop. I think there was a level devoted to this in the NL Introduction Pack by IchoTolot.


Now the question is, what about the 4th outcome where both the basher and the digger will stop when they meet each other ? Is that possible ?

I cannot achieve it yet, but I'm not sure because the basher animation is quite complicated and it may depend on which animation frame they cross each other...

This should also help:

https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=6138.0

Armani made a compilation pack for all the contests! 

QuoteAny levels you particularly liked that you've seen or made?

In terms of contests here are some of my favorites:

- Simon's "Rhizome" (Lix)
- Nessy's "A Rock And A Hard Place"
- 92Dexter11's "Lem Ninja
- Dodochacalo's "Honey, I Shrunk the Lems"
- Pieuw's "A tad mad, a tad rad!"
- Armani's "Insert Coin, Choose Lemming"
- IchoTolot's "Revenants"
- DireKrow's "Shoestring Operation"
- tan x dx's "Measure once, build twice"

These contest entries should also count towards the difficulty category:

- Armani's "The Good, The Bad and The Weird"
- IchoTolot's "Violent Changes"

In terms of difficulty these are some of my favorites:

- Lemmings Uncharted [Aquarius 06]: RefleXion  (This took me months!)
- Lemmings Uncharted [Aquarius 19]: Immoral Society
- Lemmings Uncharted [Aquarius 15]: Simulation: FARO

- NepsterLems [Black Hole 01]: Thin Layers
- NepsterLems [Black Hole 20]: The Deadly Rooms of Lem
- NepsterLems [Black Hole 21]: Final Frustration

- Deceit's Lemmings [Mayhem 21]: Enter at your own risk...

- Lemmings United [Genocide 28]: It's All About The Pentiums!
- Lemmings United [Genocide 35]: Kiwi Knight's Keep
- Lemmings United [Genocide 37]: Gate To The Inner Sanctum


Of course these are just some of my personal favorites or levels which I am quite proud of.

To gain access to the contest levels I would suggest checking the nomination list topic for the LOTY. There is usually an description from where the level originated.

I'm beginning to think that all replays loaded from disk should start without the text "Click to play from here." and should not show scissors either.

The first click should do nothing, not even cut. Until you click, we can transform the cursor itself into an R, or into a replaying forward arrow, or ..., to make it really obvious that we're in some sort of TV mode where we're not supposed to interrupt to play. You should still be able to interrupt by clicking, then clicking again, but that's not the UI concern here.

The UI concern is that a replay freshly loaded from disk is to be watched, not edited, and we shouldn't scream "Click now!" nor display scissors. Silken, thanks for pushing this. I'll find a solution.

-- Simon

@IchoTolot
The topic you linked only has a list of the names of those on 1st, 2nd and 3rd for all the contests. While that is interesting information it doesn't actually contain links to the levels, so therefore is information I'd get from manually searching through these constests.
So I tried doing that, and for 2015 for example all I got was dead dropbox links.
I then tried to continue searching and hit the sites max search spam protection limit.

So even if I wanted to go through the individual years, I couldn't
Quick note outside of the planned showcase, maybe these old ones should be uploaded somewhere for sake of preservation.

Just gave it a go and I'm really interested in the playback mode feature. I can't quite get it to work sadly. EDIT: Got it to work. Will be very helpful for a showcase.
@Simon @WillLem @IchoTolot
Any levels you particularly liked that you've seen or made?

Quote from: namida on June 23, 2026, 06:35:46 AMOh wow. Yeah, I can see why it was cancelled. I honestly would've thought that was something a (very young) fan made up as "fanon" if it weren't for the video links, especially with some of those skills!

yikes
if youd like to pitch in you can
if you have any issues with the formatting you can change it
one day we can compile all the info we have and turn it into a compactn't script and dump it on tomato because they are the only one that makes edited lemmings videos that show more then gameplay

Hey Nice Job. I´ll list some intention solutions PM with your includes Level 10. Most peoples hate this level. That was ranked Armani most hated level my pack. Though its not super hard, but will take some patience.

You still have few levels remain. Step 5
Level 9 Fiery Cells
Level 10 I am MT (Yes you not care play that and yes its okay) See my completion solution Your PM
Level 12 Offering could save others
Level 15 Scorching terminal (Yes you are rightway here) Just keep trying
Level 16 Gloomy Night
Level 19 Decimation (THIS LEVEL IS BRUTAL AND SUPER GENIUS) ITS MIGHT MOST COMPLICATED LEMMINGS LEVEL EVER. (There is only one single way beat this) Make this level take me 2 years planning Yes i could say this level is my masterpiece. I am extremely glad with this level. Used all 135 IQ make this level. Heck yeah that was very hard level to make.

I would like to learn Proxima's reason for why he prefers darker lemmings. I know that lemmings at (0x80, 0x80, 0xFF) become similarly light as the earth (some light grey). Is the lemming-to-earth contrast your reason?

When I know more, I can start recommending better defaults for the CPM color config file.

The meaning of the bool option is: Ignore what's configured in the dedicated CPM options file, and use this prefixed configuration that you can't choose by editing that file. That leads to the idea: Ditch the option and instead make "cycling" a keyword that can appear directly in the CPM color config file. After all, the behavior is either-or, and now the way to configure it will be clearly either-or, too, not a product of 1. bool, 2. color. You can print comments into the file to explain "cycling".

If you keep the bool option nonetheless, consider to default it to no color-cycling. Reason: That's most helpful for new users who won't look into the options. WillLem can then activate the option for his cycling.

I still think that the CPM color config file should go into user/.

Should I make 3 fresh topics for these 3 sub-issues (default colors, how to choose cycling, location of the config file)?

-- Simon