Quote from: The64Watcher on January 04, 2026, 02:36:04 AMi think something ironic is that on that zombie in the front its a literal lemming on his shirt.

Ahah, how could I have missed that! Great easter egg when the game taking inspiration of the other game mentions the original game inside the game.

After some weeks of tweaking, playtesting, kind words from JawaJuice, more tweaking, more playtesting, unparalleled backroute finder skills by kaywhyn, and more tweaking, I am happy to announce the Save One pack has been updated to its January 2026 version ! (Happy new year everyone btw)

You can find the updated pack in the original post of this thread, just unzip in your main NL folder.

Hopefully the pack is as less prone to not enjoyable backroutes as it can be. This has been a long way, and I send thanks again to everyone who participated in this update, either by playtesting or by sending replays earlier here.

Even though many levels layouts have changed in this update, I kept the original intended solutions. This means that if you had found the intended, you wont have trouble clearing a level whose replay has been broken by the update.
Still, I feel a bit bad about breaking so many replays. So I'm now making a list for all of you players to precise which levels have received significant changes, under spoiler after your respective quotes :

Quote from: IchoTolot on September 14, 2025, 07:34:59 PMJust posting an update of my replay collection. 

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You know all intended since beta test.
EON 2, NEO 2, NEO 5, ONE 2, ONE 3, ONE 4, ONE 6 layouts have changed but the same solution works.
ONE 5 changed more, the intended is still the same but requires precise assignment of skill to clear easily.

Quote from: Armani on September 09, 2025, 10:43:21 AMresolved updated levels 

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EON 2, NEO 2, NEO 5, ONE 2, ONE 3, ONE 4, ONE 6 layouts have changed but the same solution works.

ONE 5 changed more, and I blocked your backroute. Maybe you'll have to change your strategy to Save One ? Or find another backroute ? (please dont!)

Quote from: WillLem on November 07, 2025, 01:34:24 AMSolved the Eon levels ...

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EON 2 has been modified to prevent your solution that made so little use of the crowd.

Be welcome if you want to try the other ranks. Though be aware that playtesters said that the level are not sorted by increasing difficulty, so do not hesistate to skip a level that feels too hard.

Quote from: Turrican on November 29, 2025, 02:26:07 AMI have tried ** all the ** ranks, and here are the replays of my solutions.

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EON 2 : changed the vertical structure that allowed the pioneer to get in by himself. Cooperation with the crowd is required

NEO 2 : prevented your crazy backroute that went through one of the spikes route, when the title itself says it should not happen. Still cannot believe that this solution worked !

NEO 5 : layout has changed but you had the intended solution

The whole ONE rank changed ! You were the first to bakcroute it almost completely, JawaJuice and kaywhyn came after you and you all gave me major work to achieve this update. Thank you.
Be welcome to try the ONE rank again if you like, hopefully you'll find new levels here.

Quote from: JawaJuice on December 05, 2025, 09:05:22 PM"I'm in love with NEO 5 :p"

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You know all intended solutions since your playtest, may have to replay some of them to get the green check.
Your alternate solution for ONE 4 is still possible, and kaywhyn found it instead of the intended during his playtest !

Quote from: darkshoxx on November 30, 2025, 09:46:59 PMCurrent Work In progress

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NEO 2 has changed to prevent your nasty backroute of bashing illegal terrain to remove a single pixel under your feet. Intended solution is harder to spot. This level may not be positionned correctly in the whole pack in terms of difficulty.

ONE 3 has also changed to block your backroute that saved more than one. Once again this level may not be at its correct place, too easy for the last rank.

Feel free to try other ranks/levels if you like. As you have seen, the difficulty curve is not consistent !

Now, after all this time spent with the Save One concept that came to me (and my 10yo kid!) when toying with the editor, I'll try to give a set of 3 rules describing what would be, in my opinion, a very solid Save One level :

Rule 1) The player should only be able to save 1 lemming.

Rule 2) The lemmings count should be at least 2, and the saved lemming should not be able to reach the exit by himself. In other words, there should be interaction of any kind between the saved lemming and the other(s).

Rule 3) Even if there were more lemmings coming out from the entrance (lets say 20% more lemmings for instance), the player should still not be able to save more than one lemming.


Rule 1) is obvious. Rule 2) is what differentiate the Save One pack from Dexter's Lock and Key pack. And Rule 3) is the cherry on the cake but very hard to fulfill actually.
In the Save One pack, all levels (hopefully) satisfy Rule 1) and Rule 2), but not all levels satisfy Rule 3) :
Levels that fulfill Rule 3) in the most satisfying way imo : EON 4, NEO 2, NEO 3, ONE 2, ONE 3, ONE 5.
Levels that fulfill Rule 3) but in a not interesting way : EON 2, NEO 5, ONE 1.
Levels that do not fullfil Rule 3) : EON 3, NEO 4 (sorry IchoTolot, I did not state the rule to you!), ONE 4.


Finally, I now want to make a vow to try not to update the pack as frequently as I did until now. I've been working a lot those past weeks to get the pack to its current state and I feel it now deserves to be left untouched for a while.
I'm not hiding it will be hard for me to see you players going unintended ways --maybe even breaking Rule 1) you devils!-- , but I now understand this is the actual game played by the level designer.
I should learn to feel happy by just knowing that you people play the levels and have fun with them, so keep them replays coming ! 

Quote from: hrb264 on December 25, 2025, 08:35:14 PMthat looks so cool. I had no idea you could do that. As soon as I've done the Oh No levels I'm going to download it.

For sure I had a good time with WillLem's DéjàLems !

If you like the original games with a new twist, you should also check out the Complete Reverse Lemmings Collection : all original levels with entrance and exits reversed ! A joy to play those levels again with a brand new eye !
https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=5436.0

Here are my replays for the updated levels only in V6. Good job The Tomato Watcher 

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Now I got Sour 5 more easily with the blocker turning a miner part, just needed to set the miner upper thatn what I did before. Also nice job on the new way the stairs are set near the exit, it enforced me to espace another lemmings from the crowd with 2 jumpers to finish making the path for the crowd. It is sweet to see 2 workers making the path one after the other.

Sour 2 with a single place to compress has a more obvious solution for sure. It remains a very good level to crack with the exact count of Lemmings, and the part where you have to bash in a very specific place to escape another worker from the crowd.

EDIT : now joining actual replays.

If it does not already exist on the forum, why not share the games we played that are similar to Lemmings ? Strategy/puzzle games that have the same vibe of using your brain only to solve levels.
I put this topic in the general Lemmings thread since it is related to the game, feel free to delete or move it if not coherent.


I can start with  Zombie Night Terror (Nintendo Switch, Steam and more)



Do not let yourself fooled by the whole Zombies settings, this is a true Lemmings game.

In each level, you have to turn a certain number of humans into zombies.
To this end you have several tools at your disposal. For instance a syringe that turns a single human into a zombie, zombie managament tools that direct them where you want, make them explode to infect nearby humans and more.
Gameplay is very similar to Lemmings in the sense that you do not control characters directly, but give them tools to achieve your goals.
Overall a very nice game that scratches the same itch as Lemmings does : assign tools correctly and think to achieve your goal.

Only complaint may be the zombies settings and the resulting darkness of all environments. If you can handle this, then some fun can definitely be had with this game for Lems fans.

I could finally clear this pack, almost including Vexing 10 Evacuation Procedure.

I say "almost" because I wanted to see an advice here, and decided to watch the beginning of kaywhyn's replay up to a skill assignment I never tried until now. I acknowledge I sometimes do that to give me a new idea I have not tried yet.
Problem is that for Vexing 10, 4 skills are assigned very closely at the beginning (that reminds me of something btw...), so I just paused after  those 4 skills, and got the solution for sure. It is a hard level, and this solutions ends with an extra builder, so not sure this is the intended one ?

Overall the pack was indeed very good with lots of moderate difficulty levels, the kind I like to make my brain work, but not to the point of overheat !

I could solve Icho's No Way In Hell for rule 1, took me a looong time to see the basher extension !

Now I've been losing my hair for quite a while on his Social Distancing for rule 2. Tried different things with all those Lem control skills, but did not get an inch closer to the solution I fear. I dont feel like watching a replay coz that would spoil the fun.

The only way I can see to any exit is to have one lemming go the middle level where the exits are then build a bridge over the gap. Once that is done I guess exits can be reached via either the upper level by simply falling, or by the downer level by shimmier hanging under the bridge, which would look very nice !
Though I have no idea how to send a lem to the middle level in the first place.

Can you give advice : am I on the correct track here by wanting to send a lem to the middle level, or is the solution completely different ?

You're welcome kaywhyn.

I also cleared Crane's Redneck Redemption, no idea for the talisman though.
I tried the 2 other ones some days ago but let them be in peace now reading Crane's last comment on them.

Following JawaJuice's advice, I tried some levels in the contest. Having already suffered from loss of hair on many levels by IchoTolot and Armani, I decided to play kaywhyn's level first.

I was pleased with them, great job kaywhyn ! But hey, what else should we expect from the guy with maybe the largest number of packs cleared here ? I think now everybody has more and more expectation for you upcoming pack, you better not disappoint

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Rule 1 got me stuck for a long time because I did not know it was actually possible for a ohnoer to exit, nice move ! Though I finally found it because when you have used all other skills to make the 3 others exit, you are only left with these 2 possibilities miner+bomber or basher+bomber.

Rule 2 went pretty smooth, the miner extension is easy to spot. Is the title Help Me, Help Dune a reference to the Dune movie or book ? I read those when young but cannot remember very well.

Rule 3 I did another miner extesion. When you realize that you have only one miner, and that this miner is mandatory to free both the bottom and the middle pairs of guys, then the road is set.

Just a little word to let players know that the Save One update is currently being worked on. I'll upload it when time comes, before 2026 hopefully.

I will also state here that I will (try to) not do that many updates in the future. It is quite hard for me to accept that some players do not go my own route, but I now understand that it is not necessary to change the levels each and every time this happens.

Thanks again to the players, and to the playtesters.

Thank you for the explanation namida.

So if I understand correctly, the closest we can do on NL to have a level similar to what It's A magical World looked like is to shift steel plate one pixel closer to hatch area, so that the builder himself will turn around and play the role of the climber who glitched.

This way the level is pretty straightforward and both crowd are totally independant.

I cleared the Mazulems pack, joining my replays. Seconding the fact that the difficulty has much variations.

Of course It's A Magical World was a challenge, but proved doable after all with some precise pixel counts to forge a stair with dig+bash.
Now I'm wondering what the initial solution was, and what you were supposed to do with all those bashers and diggers ?

ONE 2 Aquarium Deception and ONE 5 Blues here :

Alright, now I finished watching carefully all the replays from you all, and the tremendous LP by kaywhyn.

I learned a lot from the replays, and have a very fun time watching kaywhyn playing my levels. Kaywhyn, it was a joy to hear your comments, to see you falling for most of the traps I set up and struggling on all the little details I put in there to avoid nasty backroutes

As already said, you and other players overcomplicated some stuffs, I'll most certainly write a PM to give some details and intended solutions on the most complicated stuff. Also, I need to defend my NEO 5 level, which both of you backrouted and dislkiked ! 

So now comes the time for a major revamp of the ONE rank, along with some levels in the other ranks. I'll be sure to post it here when it is done.

Finally, to honor the time and effort kaywhyn and JawaJuice put in solving some levels not the intended way  , I join those levels and their crazy replays.
Those solutions will not work on the newer version of the levels to come 

ONE 4 Clues Do and ONE 6 The Blue Pi here :

Congrats on clearing ONE rank JawaJuice !

I did not have time to finish watching kaywhyn LP yet, and did not watch your solutions for ONE either. But from the comments alone I can say that the following :

ONE 2 Aquarium Deception backrouted by kaywhyn and JawaJuice. No nuke involved here. Solution is simpler and it did not occur to me that nuke was possible. You guys are crazy to even try this when the exit is so close to the hatch, you realize in 30 seconds that you dont have enough builders to go the long way, and most of all the level title tells you the Aquarium is a Deception

ONE 3 Clappy Clapple backrouted by kaywhyn and JawaJuice. My bad, backroute is obvious.

ONE 4 Clues Do backrouted by kaywhyn and JawaJuice. Compression of climbers not necessary, and kills the purpose of the level. I thought I had this covered, but you both beat me here.

ONE 5 Blues backrouted by at least JawaJuice. You're not supposed to save 3 here. Though it is funny to note that the core of the backroute solution you both gave for ONE 2 is the intended for ONE 5 !

ONE 6 The Blue Pi backrouted by kaywhyn. The athlete is the one that's supposed to go in, the way JawaJuice did. Then you can, as he said, sit back and enjoy your C.O.N.G.R.A.T.S


Now that this list is done comes the obvious conclusion : ONE rank needs yet another patch ! I should also apologize for presenting the rank as is, since it lead you to search solutions that are actually harder to pull off than what intended are, thus the frustration.

I'd say only ONE 5 may qualify as hard to execute bc it requires some precise timing at the end, though nothing as impossible as what you did in ONE 2 for instance.

So my next move is to make another update when time comes, then maybe release all intended solutions ? Not sure about that though, because I notice now that it is easier for people to find backroutes when they do not know intended, of course ! So I thank you for all being playtesters of the pack