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DireKrow L3D/LP3D Playthrough Unresolved Bugs

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DireKrow:
- The OWW in Redirect Loop can't be bashed from the expected direction, instead acting like steel. This renders the level unsolvable by its intended solution.

- The 2nd spring in Steps to Success causes the lemmings to splat against the cross-beam in the middle of the level. This renders the level unsolvable.

- Changes to the trampoline physics render Breaking the Routine unsolvable. See discord message here for details. Tl;dr Lemmings bounce slightly too high.

- The 3rd bomber in Entanglement is pixel-perfect in Loap, where as there's slightly more of a window in L3D, due to physics differences.

- In L3D you can place blockers directly in front of the exit. In Loap, they exit the level if you try this.

- Several levels have cameras that are stuck in ceilings at the start of the level. Most common on indoor levels like Alilemms and Infinite Lemming Drive, but it can also be seen in That's Right for instance. The camera is also practically unusable in Catacombs.

- On rare occasions, attempting to assign a skill to a lemming will instead assign it to one behind the camera or way off in a different part of the level. It's unclear what causes it (possibly rewinds? Might be a coincidence). When this happens, strange behavior can be observed from the indicator in the bottom left that says what skills the lemming you're hovering over has (such as saying WALKER despite the mouse not being on any lemmings), which suggests that the bug exists in detecting what lemming the mouse is pointing at, rather than the skill assignment itself.

- Loading a replay on the preview screen with L causes the camera to rotate when you start playing the level, as if L was held down, until L is pressed again.

- Rope slides look visually bugged down their length, but otherwise function correctly.

- The pharaoh lemming heads are visible on the flame traps in Firewall, where as they're invisible in L3D.

- Missing sound effect: In L3D, when you reach the save requirement in a level during gameplay, it plays FANFARE from the sound rips. The rip is noticeably faster and high pitched than it is in-game, so I suspect it's played back at half speed.

- Extraneous sound effect: frame stepping forward should be silent instead of playing a sound.

- Not a bug, but playtesting indicates that making it so you can't assign blockers/turners inside of splitter blocks (as in L3D) is probably a good idea, as the currently behavior lets you trivialize certain levels like Spaghetti Junction and 3D A Lemming Odyssey

- Also not a bug, but many in-game cosmetic animations seem to play too fast, such as the wall monitors in Lemlab themed levels and the mud. L3D on DOSBox already seems to play these too fast so it can be misleading, but I'm pretty sure they're meant to be slower.

- Unlike L3D, the engine doesn't seem to tint top and bottom faces, which gives some levels confusing visuals, where walls, deflectors and platforms blend into each other. Firewall is an example. See discord messages starting here for details.

namida:

--- Quote ---- The OWW in Redirect Loop can't be bashed from the expected direction, instead acting like steel. This renders the level unsolvable by its intended solution.
--- End quote ---

Fixed in commit 4230bc0. (Will be included in V0.0.16.0.)


--- Quote ---- The 3rd bomber in Entanglement is pixel-perfect in Loap, where as there's slightly more of a window in L3D, due to physics differences.
--- End quote ---

Adjusted the relevant physics a bit in commit 61d4e90. (Again, for V0.0.16.0.)

namida:

--- Quote ---- Missing sound effect: In L3D, when you reach the save requirement in a level during gameplay, it plays FANFARE from the sound rips. The rip is noticeably faster and high pitched than it is in-game, so I suspect it's played back at half speed.

- Extraneous sound effect: frame stepping forward should be silent instead of playing a sound.
--- End quote ---

Fixed in ec4cc0b and 5f22c75 respectively.

namida:

--- Quote ---- Unlike L3D, the engine doesn't seem to tint top and bottom faces, which gives some levels confusing visuals, where walls, deflectors and platforms blend into each other. Firewall is an example. See discord messages starting here for details.
--- End quote ---

It does, but very subtly. However, I've increased this so that it's now equivalent to L3D in terms of how many steps of the level-data-based shading it's equivalent to (though that itself is not exactly in line with L3D's behavior) as of commit 42b1064.

This doesn't help so much on Firewall, because the colors there are already extremely dark. It helps more on, say, Arctic Obstical Course (the deflector blocks).

namida:

--- Quote ---- Several levels have cameras that are stuck in ceilings at the start of the level. Most common on indoor levels like Alilemms and Infinite Lemming Drive, but it can also be seen in That's Right for instance. The camera is also practically unusable in Catacombs.
--- End quote ---

After some testing, I've determined that L3D has a far smaller distance from camera at which it performs the solidity check than Loap. However, the flipside is that L3D also has a higher minimum height. This is why in L3D you can't slip the camera through the gap in Claustrophobic even though you can fit it through 2-slab gaps elsewhere (eg. in The Hanger).

It's not as straightforward as just reducing the distance + increasing the minimum height though. L3D's camera looks only at "is there a solid-to-camera block at this location", whereas Loap takes the block's shape into account. Therefore, the reduced distance ends up allowing the camera to break out of its confinement area in some other levels that usually contain it (eg. "The Prisoner", "The Mansion", "Blazing The Trail")...

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