Level Design Contest #21 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)

[NieSch]

@Niesch regarding your R2 level, something happened to it where the exit count limit is no longer present. Thus, any number of lemmings can now use either exit. Your R2 V2 didn't break my replay, so it's fine there, just the exit count limit disappeared. You might want to look into what happened there.

Thanks for letting me know. I'll change it. (It's a bug in the editor I guess that after changes in terrain the exit count limit disappears.)

About my rule 1 level: it's definitely solvable so don't worry that I made a mistake there. Just don't give up.

[kaywhyn]

About my rule 1 level: it's definitely solvable so don't worry that I made a mistake there. Just don't give up.

I'm sure it is. I'm probably just going about it the wrong way or, more likely, I'm missing something obvious. The level has certainly done a great job of stumping everyone who has tried it so far: Armani, Nessy, and me. Besides your R1 level, the only other level I have left to solve is crane's R1. So, it's just the R1 levels from you two that have been no solves for me. Everything else I have either solved or I need to resolve, and I still might possibly have to resolve some other levels that get fixed in the meantime and hence my existing replays might break.

[IchoTolot]

I think it's relevant to post this section from the update topic here. Please READ carefully:

Please follow these rules for updates:
1. When posting a new updated version of a level, remove any old updated versions of that level --> Have all your recent updates stored in 1 post! I will delete such old posts eventually if the author doesn't; so don't store any important information in them.
2. Make a new post for a new update; do not edit your most recent post. You may, however, post updates to multiple entries (if you have more than one) in the same post.
3. Use the same filename as found in the ZIP of the entered levels, with "V2" "V3" etc added at the end. No matter how minor an update is, give it a new number.
4. Do not post in this topic, unless it's to post an update to your levels. Use the discussion topic instead for anything else.

[Armani]

Resolved all the remaining levels

Rule1_05 Jump Jive and Wail

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After the fix, this level was the easiest among your contest levels. I totally agree with Kaywhyn that your Rule2 level is the hardest of three.(My favourite is Rule3 level though )

Rule1_06 Step Up Your Game

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Looks pretty simple and obvious at first glance, but I was always 1 skill short yesterday. Now I managed to save that one skill at the beginning. Nice level!

Rule1_08 This room is boiling

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I have only 1 shimmier leftover this time. I hope this is acceptable now.

Rule2_04 Welcome to the Twilight Zone

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I used bottom route as well this time. It was really cool looking crystal level with satisfying solution!

Rule3_02 Hell's Challenger

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I don't think cutting of one jumper made the level unfair at all! I like this solution, especially I like the first talisman one.

[NieSch]

Rule1_06 Step Up Your Game

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Looks pretty simple and obvious at first glance, but I was always 1 skill short yesterday. Now I managed to save that one skill at the beginning. Nice level!

Intended solution. Well done!

Rule2_04 Welcome to the Twilight Zone

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I used bottom route as well this time. It was really cool looking crystal level with satisfying solution!

Impressive solution. You even had a builder left. I might tweak the level a bit after this.

Thanks for your feedback Armani!

[Nessy]

@NieSch: I was going to wait until I had more replays but I really want to know if this solution for your Rule 1 level is intended.

[NieSch]

@NieSch: I was going to wait until I had more replays but I really want to know if this solution for your Rule 1 level is intended.

It is. The one and only I guess.

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(Aside from the possibility to swap a basher for a miner.)

I would be very surprised if there was an alternative one. Well done!

[Nessy]

It is. The one and only I guess.

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(Aside from the possibility to swap a basher for a miner.)

I would be very surprised if there was an alternative one. Well done!

Awesome! It was a really good level: deceptively simple but it drove me crazy (in a good way of course) to save that last skill!

I solved some more levels and I kind of jumped around this time:

Mantha (click to show/hide)

"Jump, Jive, and Wail" - Very nice and simple level.
"6 of One, Half a Dozen of the Other" - Not overly difficult but not trivial at all. Very fun to solve and I used all the skills.
"Lemception" - I tested this one but I attached my solution below anyway

Shmolem (click to show/hide)

"Leap of Faith" - I think I still backrouted your level but I think I'm getting closer to it hopefully

IchoTolot (click to show/hide)

"Temple of Escher" - Beautiful looking level and very fun to solve! My own solution managed to save 4 skills (one of each except the platformer), so I couldn't beat Armani... yet

Once again I tested Crane's Rule 3 level but I will post my solution for it on here anyway

[Shmoley]

I’ve been trying to beat some of the other contest levels.. and I haven’t been able to solve any of them I’ve come very close to solving some but haven’t actually beaten any..

[kaywhyn]

I’ve been trying to beat some of the other contest levels.. and I haven’t been able to solve any of them I’ve come very close to solving some but haven’t actually beaten any..

You can do it, Shmolem! Just don't give up! I agree that a lot of these are quite tough, but I was able to solve most of them after a lot of struggling. If anything, you can always send a replay and ask the level author for some hints to possibly help you solve them if you still can't figure them out even after spending a lot of time.

[IchoTolot]

Nice solution Nessy and totally acceptable!

[IchoTolot]

Solved and recorded everything today.

Will try to upload  the vids later or tomorrow and will also posts my replays when that's done.

[Nessy]

Got some more replays!

WillLem's "The Diving Area" (click to show/hide)

Very nice and easy level. I really liked that little part where you had to use a jumper to get the floater jumper to jump from his platformer way up high to a builder bridge way down at the bottom. Very fun!

Armani's "Hornet Flight" (click to show/hide)

Excellent level It took me a long time just to figure out that the route towards the top was even viable and even longer to figure out how to get a lemming up there. I absolutely love that shimmier trick you needed to accomplish that!

IchoTolot's "Tribute To V" (click to show/hide)

Another nice level! Just like the level it's making a tribute to it seems very intimating at first, and all you can do is just dive straight in, start experimenting, and changing up your strategies as you go along. I also ended up saving a platformer and basher.

NieSch's "Welcome To The Twilight Zone" (click to show/hide)

Another good level! This one took less time for me to solve than your Rule 1 level, but still required you to really think about how to use your skills because they all run out pretty quick.

Armani's "Marina Bay Sands"" (click to show/hide)

Another excellent level If intended (because you never know) it really makes you believe that certain skills need to be used in some places (like the miner at the end), but it can be bypassed with a simple use of other skills somewhere else which somehow makes it even harder to figure out because it's very easy to overlook it many times like I did.

[Armani]

Both of them are totally intended I'm glad you like my levels!

[IchoTolot]

Nessy's olution is totally acceptable!

And I got my videos up! My replays are also attached!

Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2b17_UE1lj0
Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q544_dbai6I
Part 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFk7xV7I7G0