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Re: [NeoLemmix] Lemmings Forum LDC Compilation Pack
« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2023, 12:33:28 PM »
Seems kaywhyn backrouted "Precarious Construction (part 2)" - it's pretty obvious too!  Here's the fix.  Also, for those curious, I've attached part 1 too.

The story with part 1 was that when I was developing the level, I decided to humour myself and give myself only 1 of everything... to my surprise, I solved it relatively easily, but I couldn't pass up a 1-of-everything level, so the submission became part 2 with the backroute patched.  I added the fix for kaywhyn's backroute to part 1 as well just so everything looks similar.
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Re: [NeoLemmix] Lemmings Forum LDC Compilation Pack
« Reply #16 on: February 16, 2023, 06:57:45 PM »
Seems Precarious Construction (part 2) was overall an old version, since it doesn't have a nick in the "precarious construction" that exists in part 1 (which I think was to eliminate another backroute that I can't remember off-hand... if said backroute is still possible).

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Re: [NeoLemmix] Lemmings Forum LDC Compilation Pack
« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2023, 01:49:38 AM »
Got another updated level... Cloning Vats.  Somehow, one of the tiles got swapped out for another - a small steel plate with a rusted corner was replaced with one that was three times as wide.  For some reason, that piece seems to not exist in the tileset any more, so I tried my best to fix it while still looking aesthetically pleasing.

(Compare IchoToLot's video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkS9opY48Ls)

Also I changed the background so you can see the solid terrain better.

EDIT: For some reason, the save requirement was 4, not 5 as shown in the video.

EDIT 2: Fixed again - see next post.
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Re: [NeoLemmix] Lemmings Forum LDC Compilation Pack
« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2023, 05:32:40 PM »
So this level actually has a backroute fix that doesn't work on the latest version of NeoLemmix - there's some terrain just under the water's surface that a faller used to splat on, even if they were a swimmer, but a swimmer already in the water would pass over. The terrain has been lifted up slightly so a faller will always splat on it; an existing swimmer will start walking again briefly, but I don't think you can take advantage of it for backroute purposes.

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Re: [NeoLemmix] Lemmings Forum LDC Compilation Pack
« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2023, 12:04:20 AM »
I'm a little sad because S.C.R.O.O.G.E. doesn't work as intended any more... you're supposed to use a Shimmier and Glider instead of a Climber after the Platformer, but the mechanics have been changed at some point so that trick no longer works... additionally, it seems the Shimmier can be used to turn the Climber around, which didn't work before.

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Re: [NeoLemmix] Lemmings Forum LDC Compilation Pack
« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2023, 04:59:29 AM »
An update has been made :laugh:
(The next update will be after the current LDC is over. 8-))
Armani's Blog: https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=4994.0

My NL level pack:
  Lemmings Uncharted[Medium~Extreme]: https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=5702
  Xmas Lemmings 2021[Easy~Very Hard]: https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=5876.0

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Re: [NeoLemmix] Lemmings Forum LDC Compilation Pack
« Reply #21 on: February 21, 2023, 07:10:28 PM »
Thanks for keeping everything up to date, Armani.  I've got another patched level unfortunately, mostly because I'm checking out which of my levels are suitable for my pack.  Playtesting "Run!" (Contest #16, Rule #2), I found that if you increase the release rate at the right time, you can complete the level without using one of the Climbers, so now the release rate is locked.

Normally my schtick is traditonal mechanics and skills only, but given that this is a level that uses zombies and pick-up skills, I can live with a locked release rate for this level!

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Re: [NeoLemmix] Lemmings Forum LDC Compilation Pack
« Reply #22 on: February 22, 2023, 08:15:42 PM »
Crane's intended solution for Scrooge won't work anymore starting with 12.9.0 because that's when the glider physics were changed.  I noticed this when playing 2 levels in Colorful Arty's Artlems so he updated the pack to account for it even though baroque 1 can be backrouted thanks to Armani.

But Crane's Scrooge is Not totally enforced even for earlier player versions. Can still use the climber in earlier versions.

Here is the unintended solution in Version 12.7.4 (Same version Icho used in his intended solution)
shown on Youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc-jZF0vjyI

Also I noticed Flopsy' withdrawn Level from LDC #19 isn't included in the pack even though it can still be downloaded in the post. Even Armani posted a solution to the level. Maybe it can be added by Armani.
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Re: [NeoLemmix] Lemmings Forum LDC Compilation Pack
« Reply #23 on: February 22, 2023, 09:42:43 PM »
A little annoying and potentially unfixable, but I guess it's still an okay puzzle in itself.  I was confused briefly because I thought Gliders did start climbing, but I got mixed up with Jumpers, which will start climbing if they jump into a wall (and will hoist themselves up if they barely miss a ledge, even if they're not a Climber... this no longer happens with Gliders).

Oh, a little bit of fun with acronyms... S.C.R.O.O.G.E. = Scrap Christmas Right Out Of General Existence!
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Re: [NeoLemmix] Lemmings Forum LDC Compilation Pack
« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2023, 06:13:40 AM »
Updated all the levels(+replays accordingly) zip to here.
And LDC#27 is also included now. ;)
Armani's Blog: https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=4994.0

My NL level pack:
  Lemmings Uncharted[Medium~Extreme]: https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=5702
  Xmas Lemmings 2021[Easy~Very Hard]: https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=5876.0