__ bot relays only Lix to #lix

[Simon]

Hi,

we have separated the IRC channels #lix and #neolemmix. There is interesting discussion about both games, and some of us already sit in both channels. namida is happy with this separation, which is very important to me.

Current solution:

We're relaying this subset of all boards to #lix. We're relaying posts as notifications, not as messages.

Old first post:

Mindless's bot __ is relaying Lemmingsforums posts as follows: The Lix board is relayed to #lix, and everything else is relayed to #neolemmix.

Proxima wasn't happy about this change, because he relies on #lix for seeing new LF posts. On the other hand, I like the reduced bloat in the #lix channel logs, and Ramond is annoyed by any bot activity. What's your stance?

Furthermore, __ is now sending notifications, not messages. Messages are what people send when they type text and send it. IRC clients treat messages as more important than notifications. Notifications are about as important as joins/leaves of other users. Notifications aren't logged in the Nordicbots logs -- very good.

Alternatives for automatic notification about the Lix-unrelated content:

• Use the forum's news feed (RSS, Atom).
• Sit in both IRC channels, #lix and #neolemmix.
• Ask Mindless to go back to relaying all posts to #lix, as notifications.
• Ask Mindless to relay the Lix board, and all engine-independent boards, as notifications.

The forum's news feed needs a standalone program. [A modern browser is enough. >_>] If you don't use feeds for any other website, it's strange to install an extra tool to run in the background.

Since we have many posts per day, I've configured my feed reader to download the recent 60 posts every 20 minutes. You can configure the time in the program, and the number of posts in the feed URL:
http://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?type=rss;action=.xml;limit=60

-- Simon

[namida]

Why would one need a seperate program? If I'm not mistaken, don't most browsers these days support RSS newsfeeds?

Anyway, for the record - my initial proposal was to relay topics from the Lix boards only to #lix, topics from the NeoLemmix boards (including the Bugs & Suggestions subforum) only to #neolemmix, and all other posts to both. This doesn't help those who only want to see notifications for the specific board, and not the general ones. (I don't think we need to account for those who don't want any notifications at all, as they can simply /ignore the bot.) Now, I'm not sure exactly what the best option is.

[Simon]

Very much possible that newer browsers do this for you. That's what I get for using 5-year-old technology. >_>

-- Simon

[namida]

I don't know for sure about all browsers. Firefox supports it natively, while Chrome supports it via an extension. IE probably still doesn't even know not to freak out when it sees one.

Despite Firefox's native support, there are also Firefox addons relating to it. This may suggest that the native support is not optimal; or they may just pre-date it gaining native functionality for it.

[ccexplore]

IE probably still doesn't even know not to freak out when it sees one.

Unless you're using a very old version of IE, RSS feeds are supported even in IE.  Scroll to the bottom of any page in the forum.  Underneath the "SMF 2.0.10 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines" text, you'll see 3 links listed one of which is "RSS".  Click on it.  If your version of IE supports RSS (the oldest I have at hand at the moment is IE 10 and it works there), it should offer you a "subscribe" link in addition to showing the feed itself.

[Simon]

<Ramond> main reason why I'm annoyed [...] it's only a bot telling there's a post to an uninteresting topic for me
<SimonN> yeah. What kind of posts are you interested in?
<Ramond> depends on the topic
<SimonN> yeah. What kinds of topic are you interested in?
<Ramond> no it really depends on the topic. i follow only a few certain ones, not a specific type of topics

-- Simon

[mobius]

<Ramond> main reason why I'm annoyed [...] it's only a bot telling there's a post to an uninteresting topic for me
<SimonN> yeah. What kind of posts are you interested in?
<Ramond> depends on the topic
<SimonN> yeah. What kinds of topic are you interested in?
<Ramond> no it really depends on the topic. i follow only a few certain ones, not a specific type of topics

-- Simon

is it really that difficult to ignore? While active on a chat you have to ignore everyone who's not currently talking about whatever it is your presently interested in as well.
Not to mention all the other notifications that come up all the time like "Q left quakenet [split]"

[Simon]

It's problematic when he is not chatting. Ramond's client alerts about new messages. #lix doesn't have discussion 24/7, therefore that alert is reasonable.

I'd like to know how Ramond's client handles notifications instead of messages. Since yesterday, __ sends notifications, not messages.

-- Simon

[Simon]

Relaying to #lix, this selection is independent from what's relayed to #neolemmix:

1. General Discussion
2. Lemmings Discussion
3. Lemmings Help
4. Lemmings Lab
5. Level Design
6. Fan Corner
8. Lix
14. Site Discussion

Not relaying to #lix:

7. Challenges
9. NeoLemmix
10. SuperLemmini
11. Other Projects
12. Non-Lemmings Gaming
13. Forum Games
15. Staff Board
16. Level Design Contests
17. Lemmings Reviews
18. NeoLemmix v2.00
19. NeoLemmix Bugs & Suggestions
20. NeoLemmix Closed Issues

-- Simon

[Ramon]

is it really that difficult to ignore? While active on a chat you have to ignore everyone who's not currently talking about whatever it is your presently interested in as well.
Not to mention all the other notifications that come up all the time like "Q left quakenet [split]"

My irc client handled ignore commands normally up until two months ago. Since then, I kept getting __ messages even after ignoring many instances of numbers of underscores (_, __, ___ etc.) plus the alternate name it sometimes had (^_, ^__, ^___). I've rechecked my ignore list a couple of times and it looks fine, all those usernames are on there. However I still keep getting messages.

From the most recent change, I no longer get any kinds of notifications from __, so all is well from my side.

[NaOH]

Relaying

[..]

Not relaying

[..]

-- Simon

Is this what __ relays/(does not relay) to lix? Because that is an exactly perfect partition.

[namida]

Relaying

1. General Discussion
2. Lemmings Discussion
3. Lemmings Help
4. Lemmings Lab
5. Level Design
6. Fan Corner
...
14. Site Discussion

Are these boards being relayed to both channels or only to #lix?

I take it all of the ones on the "not" list (with the obvious exception of Staff Discussion) are being relayed to #neolemmix?

[Simon]

The partition is what's relayed to #lix. There is no dependence between the #lix and #neolemmix relays.

Ramond has no problems with the bot notifications anymore, that's great. Thanks for clarification!

-- Simon