I apologize I was not thinking clearly (my mum went to sleep and did not wake up, I was and still am in shock not thinking clearly). I respect your wishes I won't go.

Thanks Icho, for the replays and for noticing the level-ID problem. I changed the level-IDs of levels 8, 13 and 18 now.

Quote from: Proxima on June 01, 2026, 03:17:01 PMI don't know about all, but I can list all the L1/ONML homages in the Lemforum community pack:

Lovely 2 "Pipe Dream" -- based on 2-player level of the same name; the version now in LCP is a reduced version, and the original was a lot closer to the 2-player level.
Lovely 4 "Diamond Dash" -- based on a Genesis 2-player level
Lovely 26 "Charge of the Lix Brigade" -- repeat of Quirky 4 (see below)
Lovely 35 "One-Way Road" -- probably inspired by Crazy 2 "Dolly Dimple"

Quirky 4 "Follow the Yellow Brick Road" -- inspired by Crazy 3 "Many lemmings make level work"
Quirky 32 "Box Set" -- mashup of Tame 9 "And now this...", Fun 12 "Patience", Fun 27 "Let's be careful out there", Fun 8 "Not as complicated as it looks", Tame 1 "Down and Out Lemmings", the first part of Mayhem 1 "Steel Works", Tame 4 "Downwardly Mobile Lemmings" and Fun 10 "Smile if you love lemmings"

Cunning 20 "Come on Down to My Place" -- layout inspired by Fun 10 "Smile if you love lemmings"
Cunning 22 "Compression Method 2" -- entrance/exit flip of Taxing 6 "Compression Method 1"
Cunning 36 "Seven Pillars of Lixdom" -- loosely based on one of my Mac levels, which took the layout from Mayhem 13 "The Great Lemming Caper"
Cunning 39 "Dr Strangelix" -- based on one of my Mac levels, which took the layout from Mayhem 8 "Last one out is a rotten egg"

Daunting 8 "A Towering Proposition" -- layout probably inspired by Fun 12 "Patience"
Daunting 12 "Go West!" -- layout inspired by Fun 8 "Not as complicated as it looks"
Daunting 19 "This is Too Much Stepping Stones" -- layout inspired by Mayhem 17 "Stepping Stones"
Daunting 31 "I'm Gonna Make You Mine" -- layout loosely inspired by Taxing 3 "Heaven can wait (we hope!)"
Daunting 36 "Rumble to the Bottom" -- repeat of Cunning 20 (see above)

Vicious 1 "Dividing Three By Two" -- inspired by my original solution to Taxing 1 "If at first you don't succeed"
Vicious 19 "Thomas the Climber" -- inspired by the max% solution to Wild 13 "ONWARD AND UPWARD"
Vicious 26 "100% Built by Lixes" -- inspired by the 100% solution to Taxing 18 "Tribute to M. C. Escher"
Vicious 32 "Survival of the Craftiest" -- inspired by 2-player level "May the craftiest player win"
Vicious 35 "Halfway Down the Stairs" -- layout inspired by Tame 9 "And now this..."

Hopeless 15 "From the Other Side" -- repeat of Cunning 39 (in this case, both levels are inspired by a repeat pair in my Mac levels)
Hopeless 18 "Think Inside the Box" -- repeat of Quirky 32 (see above)
Hopeless 20 "Metal City Mayhem" -- mashup of the first part of Mayhem 1 "Steel Works", Havoc 2 "Be more than just a number" and Wicked 3 "This Corrosion"
Hopeless 28 "The Lix Lies Down on Broadway" -- layout inspired by Flurry 16 "The Long Way Around"

Thank you very very very very much this is a very good start.

Quote from: Proxima on June 01, 2026, 03:33:06 PMThis is where I remade the original 2-player levels in Lix. Download is very old and I haven't checked if it works on recent Lix versions.

If I recall correctly there are 2 download links. One has only L1 levels and modified skills and one has L1 and ONML levels and correct skills but 1 missing level. My memories are flooding back now from when I wanted to download them myself a while ago.

This is where I remade the original 2-player levels in Lix. Download is very old and I haven't checked if it works on recent Lix versions.

I don't know about all, but I can list all the L1/ONML homages in the Lemforum community pack:

Lovely 2 "Pipe Dream" -- based on 2-player level "The Pipe Room"; the version now in LCP is a reduced version, and the original was a lot closer to the 2-player level.
Lovely 4 "Diamond Dash" -- based on a Genesis 2-player level
Lovely 26 "Charge of the Lix Brigade" -- repeat of Quirky 4 (see below)
Lovely 35 "One-Way Road" -- probably inspired by Crazy 2 "Dolly Dimple"

Quirky 4 "Follow the Yellow Brick Road" -- inspired by Crazy 3 "Many lemmings make level work"
Quirky 32 "Box Set" -- mashup of Tame 9 "And now this...", Fun 12 "Patience", Fun 27 "Let's be careful out there", Fun 8 "Not as complicated as it looks", Tame 1 "Down and Out Lemmings", the first part of Mayhem 1 "Steel Works", Tame 4 "Downwardly Mobile Lemmings" and Fun 10 "Smile if you love lemmings"

Cunning 20 "Come on Down to My Place" -- layout inspired by Fun 10 "Smile if you love lemmings"
Cunning 22 "Compression Method 2" -- entrance/exit flip of Taxing 6 "Compression Method 1"
Cunning 36 "Seven Pillars of Lixdom" -- loosely based on one of my Mac levels, which took the layout from Mayhem 13 "The Great Lemming Caper"
Cunning 39 "Dr Strangelix" -- based on one of my Mac levels, which took the layout from Mayhem 8 "Last one out is a rotten egg"

Daunting 8 "A Towering Proposition" -- layout probably inspired by Fun 12 "Patience"
Daunting 12 "Go West!" -- layout inspired by Fun 8 "Not as complicated as it looks"
Daunting 19 "This is Too Much Stepping Stones" -- layout inspired by Mayhem 17 "Stepping Stones"
Daunting 31 "I'm Gonna Make You Mine" -- layout loosely inspired by Taxing 3 "Heaven can wait (we hope!)"
Daunting 36 "Rumble to the Bottom" -- repeat of Cunning 20 (see above)

Vicious 1 "Dividing Three By Two" -- inspired by my original solution to Taxing 1 "If at first you don't succeed"
Vicious 19 "Thomas the Climber" -- inspired by the max% solution to Wild 13 "ONWARD AND UPWARD"
Vicious 26 "100% Built by Lixes" -- inspired by the 100% solution to Taxing 18 "Tribute to M. C. Escher"
Vicious 32 "Survival of the Craftiest" -- inspired by 2-player level "May the craftiest player win"
Vicious 35 "Halfway Down the Stairs" -- layout inspired by Tame 9 "And now this..."

Hopeless 15 "From the Other Side" -- repeat of Cunning 39 (in this case, both levels are inspired by a repeat pair in my Mac levels)
Hopeless 18 "Think Inside the Box" -- repeat of Quirky 32 (see above)
Hopeless 20 "Metal City Mayhem" -- mashup of the first part of Mayhem 1 "Steel Works", Havoc 2 "Be more than just a number" and Wicked 3 "This Corrosion"
Hopeless 28 "The Lix Lies Down on Broadway" -- layout inspired by Flurry 16 "The Long Way Around"

Can someone please help this guy by making a list of all the homages and all the L1/ONML two-player levels and where their download links are?

I was thinking of doing this, but for just the list of all the homoages (not including levels with the same design, not including the tutorial levels, and only including 6p multi-player levels and races as to pick a random player count to not include any player count duplicates (remember this is an estimate)) there are 1018 Lix levels. There are 120+100=220 L1 and ONML levels. 1018*220=223960 elements of the cartesian product of Lix levels and L1 and ONML lemmings levels. Divide by two because order doesn't matter = 111980 levels to check. (This is a slight over-estimate as once you find a homage you can take it off the list). If we say each pair takes one second to check (already quite generous) thats 31 hours to spend checking. And I simply do not care about this enough to spend this much time to create the list.

First attempted this pack many moons ago and gave up on it, but coming back to it now, it's definitely not as hard as a good portion of the Lemmings Plus series. Some tricky levels in Apocalypse rank for sure, but only Apocalypse 7 is truly hard I would say. I'm almost certain my solution is a backroute, but the same is probably true for quite a few solutions here. Replays attached.

Fun pack overall though; zombies do make for a different kind of challenge generally, working out how to either contain them, evade them or kill them!

I think the important distinction is that instances should not replace the normal game flow.

Fizzles should still be playable as a straightforward level-by-level puzzle rescue game. A player who just wants to play casually should be able to choose a player profile, choose a difficulty, and continue through the normal levels without having to care about points or instances at all.

The points would be earned in the background by playing normal levels, for example depending on rescue performance. But they would not be required for normal progression.

Instances would be an optional extra mode for players who want more depth and additional challenges.

So the structure could be:

* normal levels remain the main game
* normal levels award points based on performance
* points are not permanently consumed
* casual players can ignore them completely
* instances are accessed separately as an optional mode
* players who want more challenge can use their earned points there
* normal level progression does not depend on completing instances

In the player/difficulty menu, this could be presented quite simply: the normal difficulty options are shown as before, and behind or below them there is an additional "Instances" button that opens the instance selection.

So the idea is not to make the whole game more complex for everyone. The normal game stays simple, while instances become an optional layer for players who enjoy planning, optimization, and harder puzzle content.

Thanks, Simon. That is a very useful point, especially the "not Excel" part.

I think you are right that repeatedly leaving an instance just to redistribute abilities could easily become annoying. My intention was to add a light preparation layer, but if the player has to exit and reconfigure several times, the preparation layer may become the main activity instead of the level itself.

Your alternative sounds cleaner: the player carries the available points directly into the level, all abilities are visible, and each ability use costs points. Then the interesting decision happens inside the level: spend points now, or save them for a later obstacle. Restarting or leaving the level would simply reset the point budget.

That would keep the core Fizzles gameplay more immediate. The player still has a progression/resource layer, but without the extra menu loop.

So maybe the better version is:

* normal levels award a limited number of progression points based on rescue performance
* special instances give the player a point budget
* all unlocked abilities are available during the instance
* each use consumes part of that budget
* the puzzle becomes solving the level efficiently with the available budget

This feels much closer to a puzzle game than my original "configure before entering, then leave and reconfigure" idea.

I will think more in this direction. It may fit Fizzles better because the player stays in the level and the decisions remain part of the actual rescue gameplay.

Quote from: HPWsoft on May 30, 2026, 09:26:30 AM* If the current ability setup is wrong, the player can leave the instance without penalty, redistribute the points, and try again.
* Later in the same instance, the player might discover that several Climbers are also needed.
* The player can again leave, adjust the ability setup, and return.
Play levels → earn points → assign points to abilities → enter an instance → discover what is needed → adjust setup → solve the instance.

First hunch: Leaving levels for such redistribution is boring. We want to play Lemmings, not Excel.

Detailed investigation: Consider what a single puzzle really is under this design. Each of your puzzles is now a skillbar-configuring mechanism for a level, and the level itself. You can remove the level-exiting (to reconfigure the skillbar) from the flow entirely, as follows. Let the player carry the total points into the level. Each skill is available at all times, and each skill usage costs points. Skills become unavailable when their cost exceeds the remaining points. Restarting levels refills points, and exiting refills points.

The superpuzzle becomes: You have 30 points, and unsolved levels A, B, C, D, and clearly level D takes 70 points, but you don't know which of A, B, C are solvable with 30 points. You merely know that at least one of them is solvable with 30.

-- Simon