Quote from: IchoTolot on May 24, 2026, 11:39:36 AMPlaying phase will end: June 26th 2026

But we don't care, do we? We'll stream all the nominated levels! It doesn't matter if Icho conducts the first poll next week, we'll go through all the entries for 2025.

The next stream will be on Wednesday, July 1, starting 17:00 UTC = 19:00 CEST.
https://www.twitch.tv/simonnaar

We have 6 unsolved levels to play:
Dexter's Prologue
Dexter's Ring of Fire
Dexter's Subjugation
Dexter's Unstable Egress
kaywhyn's Oh Yes! A Hardcore Molten Problem (re-solve, kaywhyn fixed our backroute)
kaywhyn's Oh No! Another Hardcore Molten Problem

These streams have helped me back into NL and Lix. I'm happy how I've stuck to it these weeks.

-- Simon

Now I have recorded and post the rest of the LOTY2025 videos!

Part 4: https://youtu.be/iuvPgFK4y4c (Guigui's levels)

Part 5: https://youtu.be/sIih30r-gWw (my levels)

Part 6: https://youtu.be/taOhAUz6DXU (everyone else's levels, the final Mixed rank)

I've also reattached my entire replay collection, with a new replay added for GigaLem 2 so that the zip has two replays for it

I'm also reattaching my updated Oh Yes! and Oh No! levels since I fixed JawaJuice's and Simon's backroutes for them in the last few days They're also in reply #15 several posts above. 

From memory, that animation on the bubble trap was meant to look like it's vibration from charging up a laser, or something like that.

All rightie, I've started recording and posting some LOTY2025 videos showing off my solutions and most author intended solutions!

Part 1: https://youtu.be/Vd_z3G-0-3M (92Dexter11's levels, sorry for the long video! )

Part 2: https://youtu.be/G7kXgTCJqYI (Armani's levels)

Part 3: https://youtu.be/6DRDXJRJR7U (GigaLem's levels)

Just the first three ranks for now. Will record the remaining 3 ranks after I get some rest first  

Hmm, good question Posting a new topic and rant of a specific NL graphic set in the NeoLemmix Styles board is probably fine and the best way to go about it. At the same time, that board is for any tilesets made, so perhaps not.

Then again, Nepster posted a rant about the City Tileset in the NeoLemmix Main board, so it might be more reasonable to file a report of namida's Organic set in his topic instead of creating a new one. It would mean hijacking a topic Nepster started, but as it's a rant about NL styles, it should be perfectly fine. There's plenty of posts in the topic, including some by you The current discussion in the topic is primarily on the City tileset and no other, so it might be a great time to add a few NL graphic sets that might need ranting and a discussion Also, keep in mind that when the topic was made that that is back in the days of Old Formats NL, i.e, v10 NL players instead of v12 NL (New Formats NL).

Anyway, the discussion of graphic set issues can probably be moved elsewhere now so as to not derail from LOTY here  

Nice job Plodderuk. Here is my respond your solutions. That Bullet Train Lemmings was sure my personal favorite one. Its very genius and very different than my intention solution, i´ll really liked this. Lethal Sidewalk was backroute and quite cheap. Let see did i can fix it my update version. Congrats about Level 14. Its will new gold talisman. I´ll plan make it. That was quite masterpiece IMO. I just add 2 silvers. But this your solution could gold one.

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Level 1 different than intention, but not really called backroute
Level 2 Nice. there is always different variations about this level. Its impossible make it goes one single way. Nice job
Level 3 That was back route and quite cheap. My intention solution is much more complicated. So i think this level was bit broken
Level 4 More intention than my own one. Its look quite similar as Armani solution with few expect. My intention solution is pretty weird
Level 5 Minute Mile and not need even minute. Super Nice. Talisman worth 1.01 version
Level 6 There is no intention solution or backroutes. All you make here is allowed and not goes patched. This is very long level and very tedious
Level 7 Nice alternate solution. Some intention elements but quite bit close intention nice job
Level 8 Bullet Train Lemmings. That was my personal favorite one. Really genius. I´ll show my own way later
Level 11 Okay back route, but not really bad and its might talisman worth, because all saves. Tough i have one cool trick here, so this misses it
Level 13 Tricky Position. Okay Its goes right. This time limit was added intented. This is IMO hardest level executed entire pack. Demo version time limit was 5 minutes, but i´ll want add it 8 minutes, because RR manipulation help it and no stress with time here. This level is IMO hardest executed entire my pack. So Nice Job.
Level 14 Yes New Gold Talisman 5 minutes and max saves.

I am in the new place now, but im unsure how I want to approach getting back into lemmings projects. I've had an exhaustive June all things considered

Ah, yes, that particular grunt is a regular reaction to getting stumped. Nothing against the level.

About the blue goo: I haven't yet decided if/how I want to weigh that into the voting. Nothing is unambiguously correct here, and I'm not familiar with the tileset culture. You're aware of the visibility issues, that's what counts.

What is standard practice with tileset visiblity issues? Do we file bugs against the engine? Against the editor? Directly against the tiles in the Tileset board? Do we make a fresh topic per bug, or do we pile everything into the set's existing topic?

-- Simon

Quote from: Simon on June 25, 2026, 08:36:02 PMI don't remember a particular annoyance on Oh Yes Molten Problem. Can you point to a timestamp in the June 21 stream?

Around the 2 hour 24 minute 25 second mark you made a really loud moan that almost sounded like you were frustrated because you couldn't figure out how to do a part of my "Oh Yes!" level. As mentioned, the feedback I've received is between the Oh Yes and Oh No pair the consensus is the former is the harder of the two. At least if the intended way is forced This is intentional, as Oh Yes is intended to be played before the Oh No level, which is its repeat.

Again, I acknowledge that it's likely a German culture thing and the tendency for people from Germany to do such, as it can easily be mistaken for the German being mad when it actually isn't. Of course, this isn't exclusive to Germans, as some other cultures are like that too! There is truth when you said it might had been due to you being exhausted, as you had been streaming for nearly 2.5 hours while you were playing my Oh Yes! level, but yes, the loud moan gave me the impression my level was your reaction to being frustrated because you were stumped trying to figure it out

QuoteI think my main annoyance in the June 21 livestream was: The blue goo in the organic tileset is steel. Such a misleading tileset design. The player really needs to know this.

Oh yes, thank you for reminding me of this, as I meant to comment about my level with this misleading design! The graphic set used for my kaywhyn's Organic National Park level is by namida called Organic. This is a graphic set that namida made while his Lemmings Plus VII level pack was in development which he ultimately ended up cancelling because of how he didn't work on it for so long. In the end, he only made 23 levels for it before he cancelled the level pack.

You're right that there's no way a player would be able to reasonably figure out the blue is steel without either activating CPM (Clear Physics Mode) beforehand or just trying stuff on the level for a while before picking up on what's steel and what isn't in the graphic set. That's reasonable, as normally steel has rivets/bolts that allow a player to easily identify that such a piece is steel. Not so with the Organic graphic set.

Now that you know what the name of the graphic set is and that it's by namida, any complaints should be reported to him regarding it! However, it's now been almost a year since namida released all the levels he made for the now cancelled LPVII and its graphic sets that it's unlikely he'll make any changes

QuoteThanks for watching the recordings!

My pleasure, and thank you for playing my levels!

Quote from: kaywhyn on June 25, 2026, 01:45:16 AMyou made a typo with my username.
Would love it if you can fix it

Fixed! Sorry.

Quote from: kaywhyn on June 25, 2026, 01:45:16 AMgroan in anger while you were trying to solve Oh Yes!

I don't remember a particular annoyance on Oh Yes Molten Problem. Can you point to a timestamp in the June 21 stream?

I'll wager that it was general exhaustion. It was a hot day, the stream had been going for 3 hours, the level (Oh Yes Hardcore Molten) had no obvious method of attack (zero climbers when it looks like you want to start with climbing), and I had spent energy on Dexter's No Looking Back.

It's also possible that I was grunting about something in the NL user interface. Again, I don't know any particular UI shortcoming that hit during Oh Yes Molten Problem.

I think my main annoyance in the June 21 livestream was: The blue goo in the organic tileset is steel. Such a misleading tileset design. The player really needs to know this.

Thanks for watching the recordings!

Quote from: kaywhyn on June 25, 2026, 06:21:17 AMPalace of Ice
distinguish between solid terrain vs background

I would have liked to force a black background on Palace of Ice. The light grey background made it hard to see the platformer bridges.

Other issues are subtler and harder to explain. I should eventually write proper feedback for Giga. E.g., I had some issues with gadget recognition, many gadgets in Giga's tilesets had straight walls walls and were snugly fit into the landscape. To the unlearned eye, that makes them look like terrain. It was fine after learning it, even if I had to learn it for every level anew, and I liked the levels in the end.

-- Simon