Ok, I finally got #2.  What a surreal experience:  I went back to #2 after having little success with #10.  I left off last week not quite seeing how to blow up enough terrain, so well, I decide to start off by blowing someone up without any particular solution in mind.  Then as soon as I start looking at the bomb hole, suddenly the solution came to me in an instant!

And I was right to ignore most of whatever geoo89 says in the level intro/hints.  I wouldn't call this level "nothing at all".  While it wasn't exactly very new, the solution is in a way fairly well disguised.

I'll PM geoo89 my solution, though I'm sure it's more or less the one and only one for the level.

Interestingly, I now want to play the original LemEdit version of this level.  Beside the obvious safe-fall distance changes, there are one or two other places where the Cheapo setup doesn't (according to my knowledge of the game mechanics) quite work exactly in LemEdit, so I am curious to see how exactly the LemEdit version was laid out.  Or perhaps a few of the differences cancel each other out.

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#10 unfortunately didn't quite work out.  My "almost" solution, sadly, have some issues when I tried to make the tiny pixel-level adjustments I want.  In particular there seem to be some weirdness regarding how walkers/fallers land in Cheapo, which annoyingly seems to conspire to make what I want to do not possible.  Most frustrating......

Yet that's the only idea where I can even get anywhere.  I tried two other things.  One of them, a Cheapo speciality of sorts, despite many many tries, it now seems that the game mechanics just would not allow the timing or positioning to work out the way I want.  The other one is just to test something out, and well, let's just say it proves that the solution is not that obvious.

Oddly, I'm far from using all of the skills, which obviously makes me think that I'm probably not going about this in the correct way at all.  But the other skills haven't revealed their secrets/usefulness to me yet.  Ah well, I guess it'll be a matter of time.

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 &#A0;terrain destruction masks
 &#A0; &#A0;[0x0000] bash (r) &#A0; &#A0; &#A0; &#A0; &#A0;4 frames, 16x10 px, 1bpp planar, 20 B/f
 &#A0; &#A0;[0x0050] bash (l) &#A0; &#A0; &#A0; &#A0; &#A0;4 frames, 16x10 px, 1bpp planar, 20 B/f
 &#A0; &#A0;[0x00A0] mine (r) &#A0; &#A0; &#A0; &#A0; &#A0;2 frames, 16x13 px, 1bpp planar, 26 B/f
 &#A0; &#A0;[0x00D4] mine (l) &#A0; &#A0; &#A0; &#A0; &#A0;2 frames, 16x13 px, 1bpp planar, 26 B/f
 &#A0; &#A0;[0x0108] nuke &#A0; &#A0; &#A0; &#A0; &#A0; &#A0; &#A0;1 frames, 16x22 px, 1bpp planar, 44 B/f

<drools...>Ooh ooh ooh, I had been wanting this for such a long time.  This is heaven (well, it'll come in handy someday anyway in some unexpected way, I'm sure), thanks!

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Well, I didn't mean to imply that it was a bad thing at all. It just seemed odd to mention as a good (or bad) thing, I guess. I don't know. You said yourself that size doesn't matter, so why mention it?

I was just providing counterpoint for interest, and inserting a side comment about size in general.

For the most part, when you see " "s in my post it means you don't have to take it too seriously.   (Or you could, whatever floats your boat.  )

Why is using a small portion of actual terrain a good thing, JM? I thought that level was easy, actually...

On the flip side, why should using a larger portion of actual terrain necessarily be better?  

Cliche as it is, I'd say that it's not the size that matters.  What a pain it would be if every level has to be "large", or if you have to leave the blank space blank on "small" levels!    (Especially since unlike Cheapo, in CustLemm the game does let you scroll to the "unused" portions of the level.)

Is it just me, or does it appear from the "Rendezvous" screenshot that in this version, lemmings can now walk harmlessly along the bottom edge of the screen?

I think it was just a zoomed-in view (an earlier game demo shows you can zoom in and out while playing), so maybe the bottom part was cut off in that screenshot.

Level 7:
Also here you're right with the intended solution. I did it just a slightly different which caused that I only could save 22/25. Mine is a bit harder and I could avoid yours making the last step 8 pixels high, but maybe I accept it too.

Interesting.  I actually have a way to modify my 23/25 very slightly so that it still requires timing and saves 23/25, but should work even with the last step being 8 pixels high.  In fact, I think it might still work even if you truly have steps of height 7, 8, 9 for the final 3, though I can't test it fully without editing the level to try it out.  This does involve one of the things I did for the "infamous" 23/25 though, and to accomodate the increase of height in the last step it becomes even trickier to execute (in particular, getting the right timing for "the move").  The following ways can eliminate this solution, although it'd probably kill off yours too:

1) make the first 7-pixel step 9 pixels tall; or
2) make the second 7-pixel step 10 pixels tall; or
3) make the final 7-pixel step 12 pixels tall; or
4) make the top of the second 7-pixel step 4 pixels wider

(Well, assuming the timing works out perfectly; in actuality the last three numbers probably needs to be slightly lower because it takes time to walk from one spot to another.)

Your consolation is that I might be the only person to know how to pull it off for the near future (although actually, Insane Steve probably has the potential to figure it out himself...)

And so actually your intended solution is now somewhat of a mystery to me.  If you don't mind, I want to put this level aside shortly while I look at #10 and #2.

And the fallers don't actually look like they're falling, they look like they're finishing off a gymnast move or something. &#A0;O_o

Yeah, that doesn't look right, although I wonder if it's just because of the stillness of a screenshot.  Maybe in animation it'd look more acceptable.

Then again, maybe they just haven't worked on finalizing the animation yet.  Hopefully.

I hope there's an unlockable option that allows you to use the old look, this is all so lifeless and loathsome!

Well, you can always just play the PC version (CustLemm or Cheapo) for free.  

I can't help but wonder whether we as a group are biased by the fact that we love lemmings so much, the original images of the game are so ingrained into our brains that anything else just seem so alien.  It's curious what people who have never seen or played the original games will think of all this.

DragonsLover said a discussion board was set up for this remake, correct?  What were people's opinions there?  (Of course, there's generally a natural bias towards positive support in these kinds of furms.)