Thanks! I just tried it, and indeed the steel area is fit to the block, but it's the same problem as seen in your video: Bashing away the wooden planks at the top on either side will sometimes cause the basher to stop earlier than it should. This means that the hit box of the steel is larger than it really is. I have already mentioned that the box for autosteel is not checked. Therefore, the basher has to be placed very precisely in order to avoid leaving any of the wooden plank intact.

First of all in the old games/engines , steel works like this: The steel pieces when you first place them in the level "doesn't know" that they are steel , so you need to place steel properties on them ( which are practically their hitboxes ) .

The rule for the steel properties ( hitboxes ) is : their position need to have x and y coordinates that are 4 , or multiples of 4 , and their size also ( x and y ) need to be 4 , or multiples of 4. The reason is that they need to be perfectly alligned to the 4x4 grid , the old engines/games use.

The thing here is , that these rules doesn't apply to the steel terrain pieces , they appy only on their hitboxes. That means that there may exist inconsistences , between the position of a steel piece and the position/size of it's hitbox , becauce the steel piece doesn't need to follow the "everything must be multiples of 4" rule , it's hitbox follows.

But the interesting thing here , is that in that level by Ron Stard , that doesn't seem to be the issue . If you load that level in Lemmix , you will see that the steel properties in that part of the level , are perfectly alligned with the steel pieces.

Another thing that I have found , is that what you describe here , happens also in the Lemmix version of the level , in the same way.

So , the reason that it happens , seems to be ( if I am correct ) the way basher checks works in the old engines/games. The rule they follow in the old games is : The basher , checks for terrain , every second basher stroke.

The wooden piece at that part of the level , needs 6 basher strokes (2x3) , in order to be bashed. So it seems that after the sixth stroke , another basher terrain happens , and recognizes that steel will be encountered in the next stroke? If that's the case , that also explains why if you assign the basher some pixels earlier , you will have a small wood piece remaining not bashed , after the sixth stroke.

Another one:

Load Tame 1 from onml , and try to create a bridge , like the one that is shown at the pictures , that I have attached. How many builders will it take?

It took me 5 builders for the Superlemmini version , and 7 builders for the Neolemmix version. This happens ( if I am correct ) , because of the more relaxed builder checks , the Superlemmini version has , compared to the Neolemmix version.

For Superlemmini , I used the conversion , of the dos version of onml.

You can add also my levels : "FC Lems screwed by the refs - VAR edition" , and "Dockside Warehouse" ( from the "levels by Turrican" thread ) , in the Community pack , if you want.

However, I can't seem to recreate the first of these (i.e. Bashers and Miners cancelling each other). If anyone has a replay which demonstrates this in action, I'd be grateful to see it.

Both tricks are present in the replays of two of the levels that I have converted. These levels are
Links for these two levels and their replays :

https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=5113.msg86502#msg86502

https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=5113.msg86643#msg86643

Also here are the links for the original CSTame packs for dos/Lemmix :

CSTame1 : http://lemmings-db.camanis.net/levelpack/ag1zfmxlbW1pbmdzLWRichALEglMZXZlbFBhY2sYrwMM/

CSTame2: http://lemmings-db.camanis.net/levelpack/ag1zfmxlbW1pbmdzLWRichALEglMZXZlbFBhY2sYvAMM/

There are two very old packs that prove that the tame maps can become pretty challenging. These are the CSTame packs , that Clam had created for Lemmix. I know you generally don't play Lemmix levels , but I strongly recommend you to take a look at these packs.

Copy-pasting from the Clammings thread:

"The CSTame packs were two packs , Clam made in 2009 , and their purpose were , to make the Tame levels from onml much more challenging. These packs were practically "challenges:The levelpack" , because they contained 20 challenges ( 1 for each Tame level ) , tranformed into custom levels.

The players here had two options: They could load the two packs and try to complete the levels , or they could load the dos version of onml , and try to complete the challenges there.

Because the challenges needed to work the same way in onml , things like what Willlem did in his pack ( like adding additional opening hatches ) , were not allowed in these packs. You are not allowed to make a single change on the terrain , when you design these levels/challenges , because every solution needs to also work on dos onml , exactly the same way. And for that reason , the concept of backroutes doesn't exist for these levels/packs.

As a result some of these Tame-based levels ended to be some of Clam's hardest levels (probably harder comparted to the levels that exist here in Clammings).

And also some of these levels , ended as some of the most high quality glitch levels that have ever appeared in dos/Lemmix ( levels like "Now you're stuck" , "The squares fight back" and "LemmisXVIII" ) .

Also several of the levels had a very strict time limit because they were practically speedrun challenges ( with most notable example the final level , called "Speed run challenge!" , which required you to save 100% in Tame 20 in 30 seconds. you had 1 minute time limit , but you needed to beat it with 30 seconds remaining on the clock ) ."

Also the tame levels had created several other iconic challenges , like the "Tame 20 no builders save 100%" , or Geoo's "Tame 13 , 1 builder save 100% ( link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=by3MunMkw1M ) .

I have uploaded updated versions for all my levels and level conversions , because I am changing the way music tracks are handled for my levels and my level conversions.

Previously the levels ,  just required you to put the music tracks in your music folder. Now that has changed.

Now you need to create a folder , called "Turrican projects" in your music folder , and put the music tracks inside that folder instead.

This is another "Lemmix to Superlemmini" level conversion . The level is "Trading and Cooperating" by Geoo ( from the geoopk1 pack ) .


I have also attached the replay of the solution!

Link for the music track , that I use with the level : https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=132259

EDIT : For the music track , create a folder , called "Turrican projects" in your music folder , and put the music track  inside that folder.