I've played all of LemFan's packs. They're odd, but they certainly have a place here. People know what they're getting into with these packs and often enjoy them... there's certainly a few frustrating levels.

I've been playing through these packs recently. Not gonna give detailed feedback as I don't think LemFan will read or respond to it, but basically, what has already been stated is true: the difficulty curve is all over the place, especially in the earlier packs, and I suspect a lot of my solutions are backroutes. That said, I still think these packs are worth peoples' time. There're some good puzzles and interesting ideas throughout, albeit with the odd really badly designed level, where it's all about some ridiculously fiddly execution.

I'm going to attach my replays for ColdLems, as I don't see that anyone else has posted replays for it - not so much for the author's benefit, as I don't think he'll look at them, but for anyone else who might be playing these packs and is struggling with a particular level. I won't add replays for the rest as they've all been covered, mainly by ericderkovits, who seemed to be the main player on this (old) thread.

Question: has anyone played through the LemFanLems I pack? I've pretty much finished it, but there're two levels I just can't do: Brutal 18, A Higher Platform, and Chaos 3, Statue of OilDrums. The former seems to be lacking one skill (a bomber) to make it possible, while the latter doesn't seem doable at all with the skills given. Strangely, neither of these levels are in the final rank (Clueless) and yet are way harder than any in that rank! If no-one has played the pack through, I wonder if someone would be willing to play just these two levels? I'm genuinely curious as to whether they're technically possible.

OK, so... it's the opposite of what I originally thought. Eraser pieces drawing solid colour will actually be relatively easy to achieve. Current behaviour (i.e. erase invisibly) can of course be preserved and a toggle option/hotkey provided.

Grouped pieces, however, are proving to be very difficult to separate from regular terrain - at least for the suggested purpose. Even deprecated pieces aren't giving too many clues as to how to isolate a particular piece type for individual drawing.

I've overcome trickier stuff than this though. Leave it with me, I'll come up with something. In the meantime, any suggestions/help will be most welcome

This is a bit of a "focused component" tail-chaser.

Dropdown lists can be browsed by hovering the mouse wheel over the dropdown whilst the list is closed. For this to happen, focus must be pushed to the component whilst the mouse is hovered over it.

I ran into a bug where focus stayed with the dropdown even after the mouse was then moved elsewhere, meaning that when subsequently trying to zoom using the mouse wheel, the dropdown list would still be cycling through its items.

So, focus must be pulled back to the main form when the mouse leaves the dropdown. This gives rise to another bug whereby if the list is opened but the mouse is moved away from the dropdown component too quickly, the list closes. It's necessary, then, to explicitly tell the compenent to wait for the list to be closed manually before pulling focus.

This has now been sorted out, but I wanted to log it here in case any further issues arise.

Fixed in commit 32ab92d

OK, I've added the following colours as options:

Pink
Yellow
Green
Blue
Purple

See the above post for examples of how they look. We'll demo these in the next update, hopefully these options will suffice.

Implemented in commit 451d5f1.

OK. GIga confirmed via Discord that the feature is being suggested mainly for the Editor. So, let's go ahead with that. There are a number of possibilities for the trigger area colour in the Editor, these ones are the easiest to achieve:


Baja blast green


Gengar purple


Squirtle blue


Sunflower yellow


Original pink, for comparison

Which colour is best? Should we have all 4 as potential options, or provide a single alternative from the choices above?

@kaywhyn As requested, I attach my replay for your AWESOME Fire Level.

Spoiler

Kaywhyn, looking at it again, it may have been a slight backroute as I didn't have any use for the sliders. The execution on this one was pretty tricky to get right; dunno whether I over-complicated it? I don't think so, given there is only one miner.

I actually save all of my replays for everything, so I've got most of the levels on this thread with the exception of a couple from authors whose stuff is generally too tough for me (I'm afraid I got nowhere with saba's level above).

I'd be happy to be a pre-tester for your WIP pack, if you like - just let me know.

Quote from: JawaJuice on November 07, 2025, 12:04:53 PMVery nice to meet you, kaywhyn! You're something of a legend around these parts  I've read your detailed feedback on many a pack after solving them myself. The handle is, more mundanely, a reference to Star Wars; specifically Attack of the Clones. The drink is offered to Obi-Wan in Dex's Diner on Coruscant. I know it's got nothing to do with Lemmings, but it's a name I use elsewhere so just thought I'd stick with it here 

Likewise with it being a pleasure to meet you JawaJuice! Aww shucks I don't know about me being a legend around here on the site, but I appreciate the compliment nevertheless!

Thanks for the explanation on your username. Oh man, believe it or not I haven't seen any film Star Wars since middle school! So, about 25 years now I think I only fully seen just one film, and probably portions of one or two other films in the series. Needless to say, I'm not that well-read or well-versed in anything Star Wars related Perhaps it's time for me to revisit the series again after so long and also buckle down and watch the films I haven't yet! I don't really remember much from any of the films.     

QuoteYeah, I'd say I've probably completed about 80% of all Neolemmix packs, but NepsterLems and Lemmings United are two where I gave up. Hopefully I'll return to them at some point if my solving skills are ever good enough! I did complete Lemmings Reunion, which is certainly easier than United but still quite challenging - a great pack actually; I really like IchoTolot's approach to level design. It can be hard to see the solution, but they're normally very logical, and fair, when you do. That's clever design. The kind of difficulty I don't care for is where a level is overly fiddly and relies on pixel perfect execution / timing or knowing some arcane trick to finish it.

I'm the same with finding levels where the solution is obvious but it takes so much trial and error to get the setup correct not enjoyable. At least IMO. Instead, I'm a big fan of hard levels where the solution is difficult to figure out but the execution of the solution isn't.

QuoteI'm looking forward to giving it a shot although it sounds like it might be too difficult for me I did complete your AWESOMRE Fire Level from the random levels thread, but it wasn't easy and I'm sure your new pack will be more challenging than that. Anyway, thanks for the warm welcome - happy to be a part of this great community!

If you still have your replay for my AWESOME Fire Level, please send it to me. I would like to take a look at your solution! You can post it in the Random Level Sharing Topic itself From what it sounds like, you probably got either the intended or an acceptable solution to it. On the other hand, that does remind me that I still need to fix a backroute by a member who privately playtested it for me from several months ago. Your solution sounds like it isn't the same one they found, but I'll have to check your replay to be sure.

You can also consider being a pre-tester for my pack once I open up the pre-testing phase in the far future. It really sounds like you're someone pack authors would greatly appreciate doing testing and getting feedback from For my pack, you don't have to worry about this for a long time, as I'm quite slow when it comes to level making and I haven't made much progress on it in a long time, though I'm happy to say that I've finally gotten around to resuming work on it again  

Quote from: Guigui on November 07, 2025, 01:25:40 AMOuch, now comes the time when kaywhyn will LP my pack, such a good time  . Many thanks to you, and this whole forum, for making the Lemmings game alive.

Our pleasure! We're very happy to have you!

QuoteI'm also very glad that IchoTolot playtested the pack, he helped a lot. Because of the whole "you can only Save One lemming" thing, levels tend to be very prone to backroutes. A single mistake and all Lemmings can go in, not good.
At first I was working alone : make a Save One level --> playtest --> find it's nice --> go to sleep --> launch the level again the morning after --> find 3 backroutes that save more than one --> 

Yup, happens even to the best of us. I've been making custom Lemmings levels for 4 years now and I still haven't gotten a lot better at backroute fixing myself Similarly, just ask others who have been in the level making scene far longer than me, and they will tell you that their levels have still been known to get backrouted. Doesn't matter how long one has been making levels. A person could possibly have been making levels for twice as long, or maybe three times as long, as me (just look at how many patches Lemmings United received after Icho released it!), but still backroutes can result. With experience, over time the amount of backroutes can be drastically reduced, though on occasion one or two can still slip by unnoticed That's pretty much why people have testers for their levels/packs!

QuoteSo I quickly understood that my solving skills were not good enough to ensure the pack to be solid and asked IchoTolot for help.

Nah, your solving skills are far better than you give yourself credit for. For example, you were able to complete DoveLems, Lemmings Plus 1, nearly all of Weirdyland, and I believe all of Quest for Kieran? This is quite an accomplishment, I must say, so congrats! Even if there are a few levels of a pack you couldn't solve, it is also, in my opinion, a great achievement to come very close to solving all of a level pack, especially one that is really hard

I recently explained to another member in this community that it is a misconception that everyone here is an expert Lemmings level solver. What is true is that nearly every member here has completed at least one of the official Lemmings games and hence possess adequate knowledge of the game. However, few have been able to solve completely many custom Lemmings level packs. This is in large part due to how custom packs tend to be far harder than the official games themselves. The hardest custom packs make ONML look like a pushover, even though a lot of us, myself included, really struggled with that game back in the days.

QuoteThe only reason why I asked Icho instead of you kaywhyn is because he is moderator on this subforum and he seemed to be more active than you on the forum at this time, I did not want to bother you.

No worries at all. It's simply letting you know that you can also ask me to playtest your levels for future reference You're right that for the last few months I kind of gave the appearance that I wasn't around. In truth, I was, where I checked in a few times whenever I could each day, and simply didn't have anything to post on the site

Quote from: kaywhyn on November 07, 2025, 12:17:52 AMHi JawaJuice, welcome to the Forums! Nice username. Is it a reference to Jamba Juice by any chance? It reminds me of that because of how your username is similar sounding to it when said out loud

Very nice to meet you, kaywhyn! You're something of a legend around these parts  I've read your detailed feedback on many a pack after solving them myself. The handle is, more mundanely, a reference to Star Wars; specifically Attack of the Clones. The drink is offered to Obi-Wan in Dex's Diner on Coruscant. I know it's got nothing to do with Lemmings, but it's a name I use elsewhere so just thought I'd stick with it here 

QuoteCorrect, you'll have to click on "notify" found at either the top or bottom of the board or topic you're viewing in order to get notifications of posts/replies to topics you wish to watch. At the same time, I think you might have to go to your profile settings => Notifications and check at least one box for the two settings "When a topic I follow receives a reply, I normally want to know via..." and "When a new topic is created in a board I follow, I normally want to know via..." That should allow you to get notifications once you click on "notify" and one of alerts or email or both are checked in your notifications settings in your profile

Thanks for the tips - I had already adjusted my profile notification settings correctly I think, just needed that extra step of subscribing to the actual thread. I seem to be getting notifications now

QuoteI'm the same way with wanting to either save all, or if that's not possible, then save as much as possible. Thus, this often gets me into trouble with levels where you're allowed (or even required) to lose one or more Lemmings. Has happened to me quite often!

For sure. Not paying attention to the save requirement has caused me to struggle with levels in the past though - thinking I have to save every one when in fact, that redundancy is what enables one to complete it.

QuoteIt's perfectly normal to struggle with the Very Hard or higher difficulty levels. Everyone at some point will struggle with these levels, some more than others. For example, it took me an entire year to solve all of Lemmings United. Similarly, believe it or not it took me almost 3 years to solve all of NepsterLems, all courtesy of Black Hole 1 which I was really stuck on but finally managed to figure it out after quite some time.

Yeah, I'd say I've probably completed about 80% of all Neolemmix packs, but NepsterLems and Lemmings United are two where I gave up. Hopefully I'll return to them at some point if my solving skills are ever good enough! I did complete Lemmings Reunion, which is certainly easier than United but still quite challenging - a great pack actually; I really like IchoTolot's approach to level design. It can be hard to see the solution, but they're normally very logical, and fair, when you do. That's clever design. The kind of difficulty I don't care for is where a level is overly fiddly and relies on pixel perfect execution / timing or knowing some arcane trick to finish it.

QuoteAlong with the above, you're in for one heck of a ride when and if I ever get around to finishing my level pack Lemmings Memories and releasing it. I haven't made that many levels for it yet, but from all the feedback I've received so far, it's shaping up to be a really difficult pack, even if I don't expect it to be the next Lemmings Reunion or NepsterLems in terms of difficulty

Anyway, enjoy your stay and the many level packs that are currently available to download and play. We're glad to have you with us!        

I'm looking forward to giving it a shot although it sounds like it might be too difficult for me I did complete your AWESOMRE Fire Level from the random levels thread, but it wasn't easy and I'm sure your new pack will be more challenging than that. Anyway, thanks for the warm welcome - happy to be a part of this great community!