It's kind of sad...

Started by Timballisto, August 20, 2004, 03:43:22 AM

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Timballisto

Slowly, Lemmings sites, Lemmings forums, are falling into disrepair, or are being completely eliminated.  All of us here witnessed the shutdown of LU and LUDB.  Sure, we moved over to Andi's, but still...the LUDB loss is still an example of how things are dissappearing.  Yeah, I know there's still lot's out there, but if this downhill trend keeps going...well, the obvious result:

-NO ONLINE LEMMINGS-

But beside that, it's kind of sad that we have hardly had any new members, and those that came would usually be done with the forum in a couple days.  So, ya gotta wonder:  Where the heck are all the Lemmings fans???????  There are only about ten regulars here.

Of course, there really isn't much of a solution to all of this though...

Liebatron

i know one, every one make forums!

Ice_Eagle91

Yeah...it's so sad that I want to cry! But never!

I wonder where McAleead went...

G3K

Step back, face facts and load up dm_realworld.

Lemmings doesn't have a large fanbase anymore. I'm not even sure it had a large one at all. I mean, we're not talking about things like The Sims, Sonic the Hedgehog or even Crash Bandicoot here. The last Lemmings game was released about four years ago to a mediocre reception. Unless something really unrealistic happens along the lines of Sony saying "hey, I see we've got the licensing rights for some game called 'Lemmings', let's whore it ridiculously for the PS3", then I don't see any new games coming any time soon. Until that time, this little nook of the internet will more or less be the only place left until the LU admin gets his arse back from Japan and fixes his site.

There, I'm done ranting. You can go back to sleep now.

Andi

Erm. I see the problem somewhere other: There ARE more Lemmings fans out there than you might expect, but because the majority of the people says "Lemmings is no more 'cool'!" The fans say, "Hey, I like lemmings. But no one will know!"
I can remember that I thought a short time like that, too. But then I thought "WTF?" And now everyone knows I like Lemmings. My teacher used to mention it everytime it was possible and said things like "Sometime you'll have green hairs and our nose will grow a lot and then you'll look like a Lemming!". I think it was kinda fun. :D

Lemika

I'm sure they're out there. At least a few more. It's only a question of them finding the place.

It seems a few more are coming back over, slowly.

Mr. K

There are plenty of fans in hiding- I've met some. I have also tried to build fans by writing stories about Lemmings in my free time. I'm working on a Lemmy trilogy. They like it because Lemmings are idiots. I recommended Lemmings Revolution and the more recent Windows games. Lemmings may come back- I saw Lemmings Revolution being sold again at Wal-Mart the other day. And I havent seen it sold since I bought it. My brother would come here too, but he's only 8. He learned to use MS-DOS on our old 486 just to play Lemmings! I've taught him to use DOSbox and WinUAE to play more Lemmings. He's dedicated to Lemmings, so I think he will come in a few years. I agree , Its sad that such a wonderful game is disappearing.

Ice_Eagle91

Yeah...definitely...  :'(  :'(  :'(

Whoops. I cried.

Burn-iT

There stil are some lemmings fans, I know a few people from school who like lemmings.
But they arent stil playing it.

Ice_Eagle91

Why is that, Burn-iT?

I don't know why they don't want to make Lemmings games anymore. Why? Pretty soon, all Lemmings will end up like this:

LEMMINGS

IT'S SO SAD!!!!!!!!!  :-( :-( :-(

Burn-iT

wel, they think it wil make them look stupid, playing such a old game, and some persons think its kidy.
some of my clasmates just forgot about lemmings, until some of them saw me wile i was playing it at school.
they said (translated from dutch) :"I remeber that game, but its old so its stupid."
they just care to much what other people think of them.

Lemmings is not popular, we NEED a new, realy good lemmings game!

Andi

The majority wants to play FPS now. So what about a Lemmings FPS? I tried it one time, but.... anyone here with good skills in graphics, modelling, programming or something else we could need?........ :-(

Ice_Eagle91


namida

My projects
2D Lemmings: NeoLemmix (engine) | Lemmings Plus Series (level packs) | Doomsday Lemmings (level pack)
3D Lemmings: Loap (engine) | L3DEdit (level / graphics editor) | L3DUtils (replay / etc utility) | Lemmings Plus 3D (level pack)
Non-Lemmings: Commander Keen: Galaxy Reimagined (a Commander Keen fangame)

Ice_Eagle91

I don't like the idea of Lemmings FPS. Any thoughts to a game, like new songs, new graphic sets, and more?

Lemeri

People have been making things like that by way of LemEdit and Cheapo for a while.

Ice_Eagle91

Yeah, but... Sony doesn't make Lemmings games anymore. Oh please.


Anatol

first person shooter. But Lemmings is cool cause the focus is on gameplay, and not so much on graphics.

Lemeri

That's true. I say the Lemmings community won't die, but it might not grow much larger.

Ice_Eagle91

This is definitely bad! [glb] [bad joke] What the heck were they thinking? [/bad joke] [/glb]

They must make new Lemmings games!

:lem4ever:


DragonsLover

Yeah!
:lem4ever:

Here's a thing: Last year, there was my integration day in my College and all newbies had to disguise in a video games character.

Good thing: There's one in the newbies that were disguised in Lemming!
Bad thing: The majority of the students ask: "What's Lemmings?" :'(

Of course, I answered that it's a great old game but it does nothing to anybody.
I like dragons! They're the center of my life! I'll never forget them...

Conway

You should have told him about the online Lemmings community!

 :lem4ever:

Louise


Andi

The big sign seems to be a big success. ;P

remline

I think most people these days don't want to think hard enough to pass Lemmings levels. They just want to click their mouse and shoot some monster thing.  :x

Andi

I often play Lemmings when I want to relax a bit. It's an easy gameplay and not too fast.

Ice_Eagle91

How could they do this to us????  >:(  >:(  >:(

?QuErY?

Weeell... I think Sony are actually blind. Or at least(very) partially sighted. Surely they've noticed that old games are suddenly becoming cool again?

Timballisto

Actually I think they have been for awhile.

?QuErY?

How come I'm always the last to know?!

Shvegait

That reminds me...

Back in November when I found out about DOSBox, my friend also linked me to a download of Lemmings (I had it as a kid but on a floppy disk somewhere at home...). I started playing it, my roommate asked for it, and I got this girl on my floor to start playing it. They played it for a while, but got busy with other things.

And then... a couple weeks after, a group of friends played some Trivial Pursuit game. I forget what one it was, it was a DVD version about pop culture or something.

It came to my team's turn, and we got the category Sports and Games. Normally you get a question/hint and then the actual clue shows up. Usually the question/hint doesn't give you much information. Well, here's what it said. "This game's difficulty levels are Fun, Tricky, Taxing, and Mayhem. What game is it?"

Of course I said Lemmings right away, before they even showed the level "Just dig!" (it starts out fuzzy and the picture becomes more clear over a few seconds). The girl whom I introduced to the game was there too on a different team, so she knew what it was as well, and I didn't look like a crazy person knowing that. It was just so weird how that happened. If another team got that question I would've been mad though :P

When I went home for Thanksgiving, which is when I started making levels, I got my sister to help test them. She was a little rusty on Lemmings but at least helped get rid of the most obvious backroutes. And then she started playing the normal Lemmings again. She also played through most of the Holiday Lemmings levels over winter break. Now, this wasn't all completely new to her because we had played Lemmings around when it first came out, but there are still people and will always be people interested in Lemmings, unless something can make it obsolete. That something hasn't come along, and judging by the way the game industry is going, it will probably never come along.

Anyway.. the game companies need to realize what makes good games. They are quickly losing it...

The "problem" that Lemmings has is that it's so simple and perfect in its gameplay that there doesn't need to be a new game that is Lemmings-based. Think of Tetris. Even "new" Tetris games do not change much! That's because Tetris is already in its simplest and most perfect form. You can add new pieces and special effects, but that doesn't make it more interesting in the long run, only the first couple of times you see them. I've never played Tribes, but think of that. Sure there are plenty of new cool skills, but can't you already do so much with just the original 8?

Lemmings can often require precision. If you were to make Lemmings in a higher resolution (higher than Cheapo), say, 800x600, can you imagine how difficult it would be to be precise? Of course you could eliminate the pixel precision, but then it's reminiscent Lemmings 3D, and I'm not sure that's a good thing.

A Lemmings FPS? That takes away the entire point of the game, sorry. If Lemmings were to become merely a type of character, the game misses the point. Better to do something like that with Worms, and keep the puzzle aspect with Lemmings...

Whoops, random long rant.  :-(

Timballisto

Lol. &#A0;That's funny. &#A0;I use my brother for level testing and he isn't very good either &#A0;X_X.

Also, what you say about the game companies is true.

We don't need a new game though, I don't think.

I think we need a new GENRE.  lemmings, was probably so popular because, as far as I know, it was the first game of its kind and it's concept was new.

Like you said, the game cannot be changed because it's in its simplest form. &#A0;I think this "simplest form" thing is simply the overall idea of the game, which is, for lemmings:

"GET X NUMBER OF THINGS (lemmings) FROM POINT A (trap door(s)) TO B (exit(s)) USING TOOLS X Y AND Z (all tools featured in lemmings) AND MANEUVER AROUND AND OR THROUGH THE INACCESSIBLE PIXELS (terrain, steel, traps)"

All we need to do is make a sentence like this, add a theme to it (like with the parenthesis), and *Poof!*- a game concept is made...

Hm...

I do believe this will help me a lot in thinking of new game ideas. &#A0;Maybe I should look further into this...

Make up of that sentence was

1.objective
2.how to achieve objective
3.obstacles in the way of objective

cool. &#A0;I guess it's as simple as that...or not...who knows?

Andi

Maybe they don't make lemminsg games anymore because for lemmings you don't need an Unreal 3 engine and a WTFTHISISFAST graphics card and dozens of Ghz. And especially these things are currently things who makes "good games".
At the moment they only look at graphics. Games with the best graphics, have the worst story. And games with a damn good story have less good graphics. But if you play them some time you forget about the graphics because the gameplay is that good.

To quote G3K: What can I say, it's a kerayzee world


To mention Lemmings FPS: I think I have once thrown that idea into the forum. I dunno what people think but for me it looks like the most think FPS = blood. If I would make a Lemmings FPS it'd contain no blood, but instead a much bigger fun-factor.
(Haha, I can I remember I had the idea of a peanut machine gun. xD)

Timballisto

This is kind of off topic, but because of the original topic, it fits.

Who else has noticed that there has been a great increase in the traffic here?  We've got about 16-17 regulars here now!  This is more than I've ever seen in my time on the lemmings forums.

(Insert that big lemmings banner that is now somewhere else)

Andi

The big Lemmings banner ist still there. you can include it with:
:lem4ever:
:lem4ever:


I removed it because it was too big to fit into the other smilies.