Level Design Contest #32 - Playing Phase (Discussion Topic)

[kaywhyn]

@Armani

R1 - For the "Oh Yes" level, it's an acceptable solution, but there was a bit of an oversight on my end, and so for V3 there is a minor shift in the terrain to prevent that sliding to land on the ledge. I haven't verified it, but your heavy timing solution that you used should still work here as well. If it does, that's fine, I'll let it slide and call it an acceptable alternative

edit: Yup, I've confirmed that just a slight tweak is needed to your solution and it still works. So, as mentioned your solution to "Oh Yes" is acceptable. Great job again!

The other change that was made was shifting the fire blowtorch trap at the top to block off your solution for the "Oh No" level. Nice catch there, I didn't account for that!

R2 - Another nice backroute find. For V6, some terrain changes.

R3 - Your solution fails for the V7 of the level Maybe that one is for V6 instead? I uploaded a V7 2 hours ago to fix Cranes' backroutes. 

[IchoTolot]

@Armani all solutions to my levels are intended so far! 

Yeah, I really tried to make R1 und R3 easier this time so most people should be able to solve them.

[Armani]

@kaywhyn
resolved updated levels! 
I can feel my solutions to Hardcore Molten Problems are acceptable now.   I especially like the oh-no level. Very cool and elegant solution.

[Crane]

Got a save 41 solution for "Gold Rush" (still haven't found the intended "Diamond Rush" solution yet!) as well as another solution for "Oh Yes! A Hardcore Molten Problem" that feels much more intended.

[Crane]

And some solutions for "kaywhyn's Organic National Park" and "Quick Lab Rush".

[Armani]

This might be actually intended

[kaywhyn]

@Armani

R1's - As mentioned, your solutions to both of my R1's are acceptable alternatives. Well done, and glad to hear that you enjoyed the "Oh No" level! It's definitely the easier of the two, while my hardest level this time seems to be the "Oh Yes" one, based on the feedback I received from you, Crane, and the user who private streamed my levels.

Spoiler

All 3 of you have said it's due to how there's no floaters/gliders and hence the hardest part is figuring out how to get down safely

@Crane

You didn't have to find another solution for my "Oh Yes" level, since I deem your solution an acceptable alternative, but yes, your latest solution is the intended one for it. Great job! Now that you know what I intended for the level, you can see why your other solution is acceptable  

Also notice that I used a Rainbow Island remix and the ohno5 track by ssam1221 for the Oh Yes and Oh No level, respectively. I knew I wanted to use a remix of an official L1/ONML track for these levels just based on the titles! Also, I think ssam1221's remix is quite nice and soothing and really helps with solving those difficult levels!

@Crane & @Armani 

R3 - Those are pretty bad backroutes, though yes, Armani's most recent solution is indeed intended. As such, this was a really difficult brainstorming session on how to fix the backroutes, and after a while, I think I've managed to come up with something that should do it.

V7 is a massive update with the following changes:

• Terrain changes (including more steel)
• -1 jumper, -1 miner, and +1 basher
• RR is now locked and Lemming count increased to 50

Because of the re-design, this does break the intended solution replay of Armani's, and maybe the changes listed in the last bullet point aren't needed at all and that it's not possible to backroute the level under the original 20 Lemming count and the non-locked RR, but well, I've decided to just play it safe and included them in the changelog anyway As a result, the intended solution has become a bit heavier on the precision than I would like it to be, but at the same time it somewhat improves the level IMO. The worry of course is whether the level can still be backrouted! 

[Crane]

I FINALLY got it Armani!  Diamond Rush solved, I hope.

[Armani]

@Crane
Nah, this level is not that precise.(somewhat precise though )

[Crane]

I... didn't say it was that precise (at least not this version!)... or did I just find a slightly precise backroute?!

[Crane]

All aboard the backroute train!