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Re: Zendo/Eleusis, play by forum
« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2014, 11:38:43 AM »
Let's continue the koan trend :P

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Re: Zendo/Eleusis, play by forum
« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2014, 12:14:28 PM »
SIMOON
GEON
CCX

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Re: Zendo/Eleusis, play by forum
« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2014, 07:08:50 PM »
IMONS
S
I
M
O
N

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In general, what (if any) are the restrictions on what the secret rule may be based on?  For example I assume given the exact same koan (ie. the arrangement and choice of letters) , its Buddha nature is constant regardless of, for example, the number of posts that have transpired?  Can the secret rule be based on "outside knowledge" like "appear in the title of a level in Lemmings" or similar?  etc.

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Re: Zendo/Eleusis, play by forum
« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2014, 08:43:15 PM »
RAMON - black
SIMOON - white
GEON - black
CCX - white
IMONS - white
S - white
I - white
M - white
O - white
N - white

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Re: Zendo/Eleusis, play by forum
« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2014, 01:22:15 AM »
MON
OON
ON
GOON
E
EON

ccexplore: The rule defines a subset of the koanspace. The koanspace is the set of nonempty finite strings over the alphabet A-Z, so it cannot depend on post number, poster name, etc. It may depend on certain outside knowledge, such as level names, as long as an equivalent rule could be defined without it: "AKHTBN iff it is one of the following finite list: JUSTDIG, ONLYFLOATERSMAYSURVIVETHIS, [...,] RENDEZVOUSATTHEMOUNTAIN."

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Re: Zendo/Eleusis, play by forum
« Reply #20 on: August 26, 2014, 10:38:36 AM »
MON - white
OON - white
ON - white
GOON - black
E - white
EON - white

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Re: Zendo/Eleusis, play by forum
« Reply #21 on: August 26, 2014, 07:37:33 PM »
ACEFHIKLMNOSTVWXYZ
J
U
RIMON
SAMON
NOOG

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Re: Zendo/Eleusis, play by forum
« Reply #22 on: August 26, 2014, 09:41:45 PM »
Apologies for not being up on the rules but as mentioned I'm super busy.

Is the rule based on something like consonant/vowel/consonant/vowel. ?
Y
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Re: Zendo/Eleusis, play by forum
« Reply #23 on: August 26, 2014, 10:29:53 PM »
ACEFHIKLMNOSTVWXYZ

Actually on 2nd thought, given my current guesses, I'm afraid I have to ask to also include each individual letter in the above string as a guess as well.  So my list of guesses now include "A", "C", "E", "F", etc. in addition to what I posted before.

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Re: Zendo/Eleusis, play by forum
« Reply #24 on: August 26, 2014, 10:41:03 PM »
ACEFHIKLMNOSTVWXYZ - black
J - black
U - white
RIMON - black
SAMON - white
NOOG - black
A, C, E, H, I, K, M, N, O, S, T, V, W, X, Y, Z - white
F, L - black

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Re: Zendo/Eleusis, play by forum
« Reply #25 on: August 26, 2014, 11:54:15 PM »
I'm assuming "R" will be black?

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Re: Zendo/Eleusis, play by forum
« Reply #26 on: August 27, 2014, 12:43:15 AM »
Okay, let me shoot for guessing the rule (and if that fails, back to finishing the individual single letters ;P):

AKHTBN iff each letter written in uppercase exhibits either flip or rotational symmetry.  More directly, iff none of the letters are members of the set {F, G, J, L, P, Q, R}.

[letters exhibiting flip symmetry with vertical axis:  A, H, I, M, O, T, U, V, W, X, Y
 letters exhibiting flip symmetry with horizontal axis: B, C, D, E, H, I, K, O, X
 letters exhibiting rotational symmetry: H, I, N, O, S, X, Z]

[in case people are curious:  my initial guess (disproven with F and L) was forbidding letters written in uppercase that contains both straight as well as curved parts, though already that leaves J and U somewhat ambiguous.  Expanding guess to individual letters was needed to see if it only matters that the forbidden letter is the first letter in the word (disproven with NOOG).]

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Re: Zendo/Eleusis, play by forum
« Reply #27 on: August 28, 2014, 03:07:48 AM »
On Simon's suggestion, we'll start a new round w/o waiting for geoo's response.  If my guess for geoo's rule proved to be wrong we will pause this new round and go back to geoo's.  Or who knows, maybe this round will be over before geoo resurfaces (esp as Simon suggest to err on the easier side...)

Initial white koan: WHITE (this follows the secret rule)
Initial black koan: BLACK (this doesn't follow the rule)


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Re: Zendo/Eleusis, play by forum
« Reply #28 on: August 28, 2014, 05:02:51 AM »
ETIHW
HIE
SLACK
TROUT

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Re: Zendo/Eleusis, play by forum
« Reply #29 on: August 28, 2014, 07:22:51 AM »
ETIHW - white
HIE - white
SLACK - black
TROUT - white