Author Topic: Cheapo Level List Game (Read 69699 times)

Conway · « **on:** December 13, 2004, 02:36:07 PM »

Same as before, but with cheapo. And this time, no insults!

Crazy 1 - Industrial Town

Good: A Simple, straightforward level to start the game.

Bad: Slightly too long.

Essman · « **Reply #1 on:** December 14, 2004, 06:11:31 AM »

The creator of the "Crazy" set is the guy who runs http://www.kallex.de/lemmings/
(in case it wasn't obvious)

I wish I would've made my own levels for this game. But after making 120 levels for the first clone, I didn't feel like making any more (I really did like those 120 levels though).

guest · « **Reply #2 on:** December 15, 2004, 02:17:36 AM »

Are they still available for download? Do they work in Cheapo?

Essman · « **Reply #3 on:** December 15, 2004, 07:54:12 AM »

Quote from: guest link=1102948574/0#2 date=1103077056

Are they still available for download?

Email me if you want the game (I made my email public on this forum).

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Do they work in Cheapo?

It's a different program, and the levels won't work in Cheapo without conversion. Conversion is easy though, just a matter of opening up the old files in the new editor and saving them. If anybody wants to volunteer, I can give them all 120 old level files. The "only" bit of work will be to verify that the different minimum level size doesn't break the level.

Conway · « **Reply #4 on:** December 15, 2004, 05:31:22 PM »

Quote

Email me if you want the game

You have the original clone? Please upload! B)

Essman · « **Reply #5 on:** December 15, 2004, 06:43:19 PM »

Quote from: Conway link=1102948574/0#4 date=1103131882

You have the original clone? Please upload! B)

Of course I have it since I made it. I sent you an email.

Shvegait · « **Reply #6 on:** December 17, 2004, 01:19:34 PM »

Not sure how to access the pictures, I'm pretty new to Cheapo...

But moving this along:

Crazy 2 - Mallorca Lemmings

Good: Utilizes the vertical dimension well. Fun to go for 100%. Interesting terrain style.
Bad: Very easy using blockers.

Conway · « **Reply #7 on:** December 18, 2004, 02:10:51 PM »

Essman - You're Peter Spada? Cool! Thanks for the link and welcome to the Lemmings forum.

Everyone else - Since he didn't want the link to be public, please email him for it.

Shvegait - Making a screenshot of a cheapo level involves print-screening it frame by frame into paint of another editor so it all lines up, while removing the toolbar. I don't know why mine isn't showing. It's probably a buggy server or hosting service. The url should still work if you want to open it in a different window.

edit: Essman, I've just tried the game, and it crashes every time I complete a level or pause the game. :-(

Proxima · « **Reply #8 on:** December 18, 2004, 10:43:51 PM »

Crazy 3: Keep on Building

Good: not too difficult for its position in the set
Bad: tedious, and the background colour is lethal on the eyes!

chaos_defrost · « **Reply #9 on:** December 19, 2004, 02:04:19 AM »

Crazy 4: White Wilderness

Good: Not too difficult, ideal for its location in the set. I like the terrain presentation.
Bad: Much too straightforward.

piainp2 · « **Reply #10 on:** December 19, 2004, 01:48:15 PM »

Level 5: What do you want to do today?

Good: A nice short level makes a change from the previous 4 long ones
Bad: You have to save them all

Proxima · « **Reply #11 on:** December 20, 2004, 12:47:47 PM »

Level 6: Wonderful Surroundings

Good: a nice "unobvious route" level -- a puzzle, but a simple one.
Bad: perhaps the 100% requirement makes this slightly too hard for its position.

Shvegait · « **Reply #12 on:** December 20, 2004, 04:16:26 PM »

Crazy 7 - And this is the next level...

Good - Multiple routes, good difficulty for its spot...
Bad - Very simple level, stupid title, and the chain piece that was so interesting in ONML has lost its purpose (In the original Lemmings, lemmings fall if the piece one over and one down is a hole. In Cheapo, they check for the piece directly over. So, in Lemmings, they fall off the chain half way from either direction, and in Cheapo they can walk across the entire chain both ways.)

DragonsLover · « **Reply #13 on:** December 20, 2004, 08:55:39 PM »

I played some levels of the first Cheapo and it works well... but with some bugs:

1. The music can suddenly turn off at the start of a level and cannot play anymore unless I restart the game

2. When I quit the game, the game may crash: my screen stay in 256 colors using the resolution: 640 X 480. If I try to change it and put it normally, my computer crash with the error: rundll32.dll and I must restart my computer manually. Also, if I try to open the game again, it crash too! This happen sometimes with the second game Cheapo too.

Everything else is fine! I'm now at Tricky 22!

Proxima · « **Reply #14 on:** December 21, 2004, 02:48:19 PM »

Crazy 8: Only lemmings can survive this

Good: nice use of background colour. A good level, and the right difficulty.
Bad: was anyone else fooled by the one-way wall? It took me ages to realise just how simple this was!!!

piainp2 · « **Reply #15 on:** December 21, 2004, 02:58:57 PM »

Heres Crazy 8: Only lemmings can survive this

-Good: It uses the Columns set, hurrah!
-Bad: The title

Essman · « **Reply #16 on:** December 21, 2004, 05:35:24 PM »

Quote from: DragonsLover link=1102948574/0#13 date=1103576139

I played some levels of the first Cheapo and it works well... but with some bugs:

I'm in the middle of converting my 120 old levels to Cheapo format (I'm also at Tricky 22). When I'm done, I'll post a link in this forum.

Proxima · « **Reply #17 on:** December 21, 2004, 08:25:45 PM »

Quote from: piainp2 link=1102948574/15#15 date=1103641137

Heres Crazy 8: Only lemmings can survive this

-Good: It uses the Columns set, hurrah!
-Bad: The title

Um...... you do know after 8 comes 9, not 8 again? B)

Anyway........

Crazy 9: It's a long way away

Good: clever little puzzle, still not TOO hard
Bad: the "outside route" is rather wasted, as the direct route is much simpler

Shvegait · « **Reply #18 on:** December 21, 2004, 09:42:42 PM »

Crazy 10: SNOW JOKE 2

Good: Refers to the ONML level SNOW JOKE and maintains the spirit of the level with all the useless terrain to the far right.
Bad: They should be starting to get harder than this at this point... This level is too easy!

Proxima · « **Reply #19 on:** December 22, 2004, 12:10:21 AM »

Too EASY?!? Hell, no. I couldn't do it at all until you posted that it was easy... then I went back and I saw it. And the terrain at the right turned out to be not so useless... I hadn't seen the solution because I hadn't even been thinking about using that part of the level.

Anyway......

Crazy 11: Through the Barricades II

Good: the background colour makes it more interesting and isn't too horrible, though it should have been darker.
Bad: this one really is FAR too simple.

Shvegait · « **Reply #20 on:** December 22, 2004, 05:58:10 AM »

I'm unsure of how the terrain at the far right of Crazy 10 could possibly be used in a solution... I'm talking about the random mountains and water and such...

Proxima · « **Reply #21 on:** December 22, 2004, 02:28:39 PM »

I know -- but the solution DOES use the terrain just to the right of the exit, and it took me ages because I hadn't thought of using that part at all.

Essman · « **Reply #22 on:** December 24, 2004, 06:10:35 PM »

Quote from: Essman link=1102948574/15#16 date=1103650524

I'm in the middle of converting my 120 old levels to Cheapo format (I'm also at Tricky 22). When I'm done, I'll post a link in this forum.

I'm done. Here is a link to the 120 levels that I made many years ago, now converted to work with Cheapo.
WARNING: I didn't test out any of the levels beyond "fun". I'm assuming that the physics of the game have not changed. I'll fix any problems that are found.

Proxima · « **Reply #23 on:** December 24, 2004, 07:03:31 PM »

Excellent!!!

(Just played Fun in one sitting, I'm a bit Lemmings-overdosed right now.......)

Nice levels. 30 Fun was a little tough, but I think I got the right solution. Could you PM me your solution to check?

chaos_defrost · « **Reply #24 on:** December 25, 2004, 04:05:35 AM »

Nice sets! (Although I'm a bit unnerved that I passed Mayhem 30 in about 1 minute...)

I've only played certain levels in each set, but I'll let you know what I think when I'm done. I do enjoy what I've played, though.

guest · « **Reply #25 on:** December 25, 2004, 05:56:39 AM »

Quote from: Insane_Steve link=1102948574/15#24 date=1103947535

Nice sets! (Although I'm a bit unnerved that I passed Mayhem 30 in about 1 minute...)

Well, the original Lemming's Mayhem 30 isn't exactly known for its difficulty either.

DragonsLover · « **Reply #26 on:** December 26, 2004, 03:55:41 AM »

Perfect! I'll continuing playing the sets on the second Cheapo game, bcs there's less bugs on it and there's more features on it too. I'm in the Taxing rating now.

Proxima · « **Reply #27 on:** December 26, 2004, 02:16:27 PM »

I'm on 7 Tricky, and I haven't had much of a look at it, but it looks ridiculously hard. Can someone who's got past this level please reassure me that I am just missing something and that it won't be TOO hard when I find it?

chaos_defrost · « **Reply #28 on:** December 26, 2004, 09:57:25 PM »

Quote from: Ahribar link=1102948574/15#27 date=1104070587

I'm on 7 Tricky, and I haven't had much of a look at it, but it looks ridiculously hard. Can someone who's got past this level please reassure me that I am just missing something and that it won't be TOO hard when I find it?

You are just missing something. This level didn't take me very long at all.

You do realise there's no terrain above the exit, correct?

guest · « **Reply #29 on:** December 28, 2004, 06:30:15 AM »

Quote from: Insane_Steve link=1102948574/15#28 date=1104098245

You do realise there's no terrain above the exit, correct?

You mean the entrance I think.

guest · « **Reply #30 on:** December 28, 2004, 06:36:28 AM »

Quote from: Ahribar link=1102948574/15#19 date=1103674221

Crazy 11: Through the Barricades II

I figure I should continue where the thread left off:

Crazy 12: Swimming Pool

Good: Visually appealing. Then again, it's hard to go wrong visually with the beach style.

Bad: The most mindnumbing level I've ever played, thanks to its endless, repetitve bridge-building and bashing. Think "Hunt the Nessy" x 2 (possibly worse).

Proxima · « **Reply #31 on:** December 28, 2004, 01:43:19 PM »

Quote from: guest link=1102948574/15#29 date=1104215415

You mean the entrance I think.

He does... and it doesn't matter now, I solved it (and I had realised that in the first place, but thank you anyway Steve).

So... Crazy 13, The Fire Place.

Good: nice use of background colour, and it's a short level.
Bad: far too simple, and after too many other levels like it, a bit dull.

piainp2 · « **Reply #32 on:** December 29, 2004, 03:12:57 PM »

Quote

Um...... you do know after 8 comes 9, not 8 again?

Yeah, sorry, that took me longer than 10 minutes to post.

Pressing on:

Crazy 14: One way ticket

Good: The layout of the level
Bad: You need to build to the top of the screen

Shvegait · « **Reply #33 on:** December 29, 2004, 04:33:31 PM »

Crazy 15: iT's VeRy SiMpLe

Good: The title doesn't lie. Only 2 lemmings to save.

Bad: No puzzle to it. I would hope that they'd be getting harder by this point.

Proxima · « **Reply #34 on:** December 29, 2004, 04:56:55 PM »

Crazy 16: Oh No! More Lemmings

Good: nice puzzle -- they really ARE getting harder now -- but fortunately not too much so
Bad: awful title

Isu · « **Reply #35 on:** April 03, 2005, 09:22:25 AM »

Crazy 17: 4:40 lemathon part 3

Good: You need to keep an eye on all 4 lemmings
Bad: I still havn't solved it! Grrrr!

Proxima · « **Reply #36 on:** April 04, 2005, 11:36:02 AM »

Really? That's one of the easier levels....... if you need a hint, remember that you have the same number of climbers and floaters as you have lemmings!

Proxima · « **Reply #37 on:** April 04, 2005, 11:38:51 AM »

Crazy 18: Snowed in!

Good: messing about with bridges...... and teaches the "ground in front of exit" trick, which reminds me that I haven't introduced it in my levels yet......
Bad: there's no puzzle to it, and it's still not that hard

Isu · « **Reply #38 on:** April 25, 2005, 02:49:11 PM »

Since we finished the Megadrive levels on the "Lemming Level List Game" thread, I thought I'd help finish this up.

Crazy 19: No time to sleep

Good: The obvious route isn't possible within the time limit, so you have to find another way around
Bad: The "Intended solution" isn't even that hard to figure out.

Proxima · « **Reply #39 on:** April 25, 2005, 03:02:54 PM »

Crazy 20: The Twin Sandy Bridges

Good: nice 100% level with minimal skills
Bad: for the last level of the set, it's just too easy

-- and that's that done at last! Wahey!

Proxima · « **Reply #40 on:** April 28, 2005, 09:28:44 AM »

OK, time to decide what set to review next.

I'm going to re-post here (if Conway doesn't mind) the rules from the CustLemm Level List Game, since they seem sensible enough.

1. At any time while a pack is being reviewed, a member can suggest the next levelpack. [It can be your own or someone else's.]

2. If you don't want your levelpack(s) reviewed, you must explicitly say so. If the author of a nominated levelpack doesn't permit or refuse the review, we can assume it's okay.

3. You cannot review the same pack twice unless for some reason the majority of the members want to.

4. You cannot review two levelpacks in a row from the same author.

5. As with the Lemming Level List Game, you must give a good and bad point about the level you are reviewing.

6. You cannot review two levels in succession.

7. You cannot review your own level, but I suppose that goes without saying!

[EDIT: additional rule 8. You must have seriously tried to complete the level you're reviewing. It helps if you know the solution, either by having completed it or by some other means, but it's not essential.]

- - -

I'd like to nominate my notebook set (http://www.geocities.com/zarathustra47/Notebook.ZIP) as the first set to review. It's short (only 11 levels) so if anyone else has a set they want to review we can get onto it pretty soon. If you already have the set, please re-download it from the link I just gave to make sure you have the newest version!

My set (like most of my levels) uses the Lemmus styles, which you can download at http://www.geocities.com/zarathustra47/Lemmus.zip -- the set doesn't use all nine styles but I thought I'd put them all together since they'll be needed if we review any more of my sets!

So, anyone up for starting?

Conway · « **Reply #41 on:** April 28, 2005, 01:41:43 PM »

Michaels's Notebook - Level 1 - Lemming Coxton
Save: 74/80
Time: 4:00
RR: 99
Skills: 1 of everything

Good: A nice simple level to begin the pack, and it gives a taster of levels that make the most of a few skills.

Bad: Not much design here. The layout is far too basic.

Shvegait · « **Reply #42 on:** April 28, 2005, 11:13:01 PM »

Michael's Notebook - Level 2 - One Way Bashing

Save: 18 out of 20
Time: 05:00
RR: 88
Skills: 2 climb, 2 float, 1 bomb, 1 block, 3 bash, 1 dig

Good: The name doesn't lie. You have to think about what order you do things in.

Bad: The name doesn't lie! Very straightforward and obvious.

Oh, I don't have a picture of the level. I'll do all the LemEdit pictures as long as other people handle the Cheapo ones

I saw, Conway, that you have a directory for the set, but only the first picture. Were you planning on filling the rest in?

Conway · « **Reply #43 on:** April 29, 2005, 11:29:37 AM »

I was planning to add the rest. I'll have to find time later. Also, since Cheapo works at a much higher resolution than DOS Lemmings, it might be a good idea just to link to the images so the page doesn't take ages to load.

More screenshots to come shortly . . .

Proxima · « **Reply #44 on:** April 30, 2005, 07:43:58 PM »

You could review level 3 while we're waiting....... since it seems only you two are in on this, plus me but of course I can't review my own levels!

Conway · « **Reply #45 on:** April 30, 2005, 11:29:06 PM »

Screenshots are up! http://uk.geocities.com/benjconway79/pictures/michaels_notebook

http://uk.geocities.com/benjconway79/pictures/michaels_notebook/3.png
Michael's Notebook Level 3 - Somewhere Under the Rainbow
Save: 5/10
Time: 3:00
RR: 50
Skills:
Climbers: 3
Floaters: 3
Bombers: 3
Blockers: 1
Builders: 3
Bashers: 3

Good: A good practice with using bombers in just the right place.

Bad: Can be annoying if you don't like timing bombers.

guest · « **Reply #46 on:** May 01, 2005, 08:19:03 AM »

You can actually get away with not timing bombers (to some extent) by saving the blocker to be used for the final bombing. This of course does require you to deal with the right entrance a little differently, but it also lets you save 7 lemmings.

Adam · « **Reply #47 on:** May 01, 2005, 08:50:44 AM »

Michael's Notebook Level 4 - Cooperation
Good - A nice little trick of timed miners.
Bad - You have to change the release rate for the trick to work.

Please could I have my Adam's Lemmings Again set reviewed next?

Shvegait · « **Reply #48 on:** May 01, 2005, 03:09:26 PM »

Quote

Bad - You have to change the release rate for the trick to work.

What? Why do you have to change the release rate? (I didn't.)

Michael's Notebook - Level 5 - Slow and Steady

Save: 50 out of 50
Time: 2:00
RR: 1
Skills: 30 builders

Good: You can't be wasteful with your builders. This kind of level is always fun to see how few builders you can get away with using.
Bad: There are already many levels just like this!

Adam · « **Reply #49 on:** May 01, 2005, 03:32:56 PM »

Quote from: Shvegait link=1102948574/45#48 date=1114960166

What? Why do you have to change the release rate?

I was just my timing of the miners, I had to change the release rate, timing them differently means you don't have to.

Proxima · « **Reply #50 on:** May 01, 2005, 04:34:42 PM »

A couple of points about "Slow and Steady":

It would be quite a good level to do a hard version of, because you can actually do it with _much_ fewer builders than you're given. Make lemmings two, three and four erect a "bridge wall" under the trapdoor.....

And there aren't many levels like that on the original game! Don't forget that when I made these levels I didn't know there were such things as programs that let you make your own levels (actually, back then there probably weren't). I know it's an obvious idea.... but I had to do it, just because it's the sort of level I'd have a lot of fun playing!

Shvegait · « **Reply #51 on:** May 01, 2005, 05:17:15 PM »

Yes you're right. I guess I'm just jaded. It was still fun

Proxima · « **Reply #52 on:** May 01, 2005, 05:28:01 PM »

No problem.

And I'm grateful that you didn't list "no effort made to make the level visually appealing" as your bad point -- that would get a bit tedious, since it applies to all the ones in this set!

Isu · « **Reply #53 on:** May 01, 2005, 06:59:22 PM »

Thank you Conway, now I can use screenshots!

Michaels Notebook - Level 6 - "provided its safe"

Save: 49 out of 50
Time: 4:00
RR: 50

Skills: 1 Bomber
1 Blocker
12 Builders

Good: It uses one of my favourite tricks

Bad: Far too simple to be this late in the set

Proxima · « **Reply #54 on:** May 01, 2005, 07:05:05 PM »

What trick is that exactly?

Isu · « **Reply #55 on:** May 01, 2005, 07:08:11 PM »

Where you make the builder a blocker, and make another lemming into a builder facing the opposite direction

Proxima · « **Reply #56 on:** May 01, 2005, 07:09:51 PM »

Ah yes

I wouldn't have described that as a "trick" myself, it's a bit too simple, so I wasn't quite sure what you meant.

Isu · « **Reply #57 on:** May 01, 2005, 07:13:56 PM »

I wonder, what would you have described it as then?

Proxima · « **Reply #58 on:** May 01, 2005, 07:42:59 PM »

Um.... I don't know. A device, perhaps. It's just that "trick" suggests something out of the ordinary, something you have to think to work out. Like the trick with diggers on "We All Fall Down", to take just the simplest example.

guest · « **Reply #59 on:** May 02, 2005, 09:34:53 AM »

Michaels Notebook - Level 7 - "Square Donut"

Save: 8 out of 10
Time: 4:00
RR: 99

Skills: 0 bashers, 10 builders, 2 of everything else

Good: A bit less straightforward than some of the other levels, requiring a bit of thought and experimentation to deal with the entrance area. Also, neat title and visual concept for the entrance area.

Bad: Building across gets a little repetitive. Also, I never found out what solution Michael intended because what he thought was his intended solution he couldn't get it to work.

Shvegait · « **Reply #60 on:** May 02, 2005, 10:35:34 AM »

I still haven't managed "Square Doughnut" X_X It's a tough one.

Michael's Notebook - Level 8 - The Thirteenth Task

Save: 50/50
RR: 1
Time: 5:00

Skills: 1 of each

Good: You have to think about how to save the climber. Good, simple layout.

Bad: Most of what you have to do is obvious, and the rest can be figured out afterwards. What's with the title?

Proxima · « **Reply #61 on:** May 02, 2005, 01:14:45 PM »

Um....... I think I was deep into my Asterix phase at the time. One of the books is called "The Twelve Tasks of Asterix", you see.

BTW, I think Conway and Insane Steve have both solved "Square Doughnut"..... if you could post your solutions, it might help me remember what the intended solution was!

Conway · « **Reply #62 on:** May 02, 2005, 09:38:21 PM »

It's funny. I'm sure I originally solved Square Doughnut, but I just tried it now and I can't remember how. It seems to be one builder short!

Michael's Notebook Level 9 - Manclimber United
Save: 10/10
Time: 1:00
RR: 1
Skills: 10 climbers, 1 of everything else.

Good: A nice layout that almost convinces you it's straightforward.

Bad: It uses a VERY cheap but unoriginal trick.

Proxima · « **Reply #63 on:** May 06, 2005, 04:58:17 PM »

So.... is no-one prepared to do Behind Bars? Has it stumped you all completely thus far? (I see from the screenshot that Conway now has the latest version, which is DEFINITELY possible.... in fact I know of three solutions.)

guest · « **Reply #64 on:** May 06, 2005, 05:53:40 PM »

That's the same version I've seen and done right? Or should I redownload again?

Proxima · « **Reply #65 on:** May 06, 2005, 06:04:37 PM »

No, that's the same version you've done.

guest · « **Reply #66 on:** May 06, 2005, 07:17:41 PM »

Well, maybe I can review it if no one else wants to. But not at least until I'm through with your Backroute Remake Set first.

Adam · « **Reply #67 on:** May 10, 2005, 03:56:25 PM »

Let's get the ball rolling again.
Michael's Notebook 10 - Behind Bars
Good : Nice Layout, visually pleasing and it has two possible solutions
Bad : It is a very big step in difficulty from "Manclimber United"

Shvegait · « **Reply #68 on:** May 10, 2005, 08:57:20 PM »

Michael's Notebook - Level 11 - Somewhere Under The Rainbow II

Save: 5/10
RR: 50
Time: 1:00

Skills: 1 climber, 1 floater, 1 bomber, 1 blocker, 1 builder, 1 digger

Good: Seems almost impossible at first. Has a very clever solution! Fun to figure out.

Bad: The exit isn't in the center of the level, it's off to the right a little. That's all

Proxima · « **Reply #69 on:** May 10, 2005, 09:04:08 PM »

Thank you, Shvegait! And thanks for the comment........

So, "Adam's lemmings again". I propose we skip the ones that are just remakes, as this is a long set. Thus, we start with:

Level 2: What the hell? [Screenshot forthcoming. Maybe.]

Save 100% of 60
Release rate 99
2 minutes

Skills: 20 of everything

Good: the fast release rate, the short time, and having to save 100% all make you think.
Bad: pretty easy and nothing especially original

Shvegait · « **Reply #70 on:** May 10, 2005, 09:12:16 PM »

Adam's lemmings again. - Level 3 - The two lone lemmings.

Save 2/2
RR: 99
Time: 3:00

Skills: 2 each of climb, float, bomb, block. 10 each of build, bash, mine, dig

Good: It's fun to get the lemmings into the visible exit. Plus it's short and not tedious.

Bad: The most direct way of getting the lemmings into the visible exit reveals a hidden exit, making the effort to get the lemmings into the visible one seem not worth it...

Proxima · « **Reply #71 on:** May 11, 2005, 09:04:25 AM »

Level 4 - No-one said this was going to be easy

Bad: The exit doesn't work!!! Surely this must be impossible?

Isu · « **Reply #72 on:** May 11, 2005, 10:05:12 AM »

Adams Lemmings Again - Level 5 - Very... Symmetrical

Save 40 out of 40
Release Rate: 40
Time: 2:00

Skills: 2 Climbers
2 Floaters
2 Builders
2 Diggers

Good: The title describes the layout of the level very well

Bad: You only have two destructive skills, and you need at least 3, probably uses a trick I don't know about yet.

Proxima · « **Reply #73 on:** May 11, 2005, 10:51:05 AM »

Um...... on my copy I have 2 each of climbers, floaters, BASHERS and diggers. You still need a clever trick, but having bashers certainly helps!

Proxima · « **Reply #74 on:** May 11, 2005, 10:52:03 AM »

Level 6: Four for four

Save 100% of 4
Release rate 4
4 minutes 44 seconds

14 builders, 3 bashers, 1 digger

Good: lovely layout that mixes different styles without going over the top -- and it's short and fun! Also, I like having a small number of lemmings.

Bad: You feel that having four trapdoors hasn't added much to the level except visually.

AND LOOK -- THIS IS MY 444TH POST! HOW APPROPRIATE IS THAT!!!

Isu · « **Reply #75 on:** May 11, 2005, 11:45:46 AM »

Quote from: Ahribar link=1102948574/60#73 date=1115808665

Um...... on my copy I have 2 each of climbers, floaters, BASHERS and diggers. You still need a clever trick, but having bashers certainly helps!

No, my copy doesnt have bashers, Adam could you send me the latest version of your pack?

Adam · « **Reply #76 on:** May 11, 2005, 05:02:11 PM »

Thank you for all of your comments
The last version of my set seemed to have some problems, so I've redone some levels. If you all don't mind please could we restart?
Download it here

Proxima · « **Reply #77 on:** May 11, 2005, 08:01:19 PM »

Download isn't working..........

Adam · « **Reply #78 on:** May 11, 2005, 08:27:16 PM »

It does now

Shvegait · « **Reply #79 on:** May 11, 2005, 09:21:27 PM »

Why did you zip the .lst file and not the .set file?

Proxima · « **Reply #80 on:** May 12, 2005, 09:53:17 AM »

For anyone who's stuck on any of the levels of my notebook set, I've written a walkthrough: http://www.geocities.com/zarathustra47/Notebook.html

guest · « **Reply #81 on:** May 12, 2005, 11:10:06 AM »

Ahribar, interesting solution for level 4 (Cooperation). That's of course the most natural thing to try, but back when I was playing I never got it to work, so instead I did this (the so-called "collision timing" method):

Have a lemming mine to the right, and then bash towards the exit when he is 6-7 pixels deep, so that the lemmings can walk up and over where the basher just bashed. After he emerges on the other side of the wall, have a second lemming who walked up and over mine to the right a little ways right of the basher.

If positioned and timed right, the miner will clear enough ground to cause the basher to stop, while the basher will bash out the ground underneath the miner causing the miner to fall and stop mining.

Adam · « **Reply #82 on:** May 12, 2005, 02:41:58 PM »

Quote from: Shvegait link=1102948574/75#79 date=1115846487

Why did you zip the .lst file and not the .set file?

Whoops, a human error, it's now fixed.

Proxima · « **Reply #83 on:** May 13, 2005, 09:49:41 AM »

Right, let's get on with it then!

Level 6: The chasm with no end?

Save 100% of 20
Release rate 50
8 minutes

1 bomber, 1 blocker, 10 each of builder, basher, miner, digger

Good: a nice "hidden exit" level in which, for once, the exit _isn't_ in the most obvious place
Bad: when you know where the exit is it's too easy, and when you don't it could well be too frustrating

Isu · « **Reply #84 on:** May 13, 2005, 12:18:56 PM »

Level 7: A lemming in need is a lemming indeed

Save 2 out of 2
Release Rate: 99
Time: 2:30

Skills: 9 Builders
1 Bashers

Good: Very nice title, probably the best of the set.

Bad: It's mostly building.

Proxima · « **Reply #85 on:** May 13, 2005, 01:26:41 PM »

Level 9: A simple bashing exercise, no?

Save 100% of 60
Release rate 99
3 minutes

Good: Don't ask why, I really enjoy doing the zigzag building.
Bad: There's nothing to it except building and then bashing, and you get more builders than you need.

Shvegait · « **Reply #86 on:** May 13, 2005, 04:14:54 PM »

Level 10: Out of two into one

Save 58/60
RR: 60
Time: 3:00
Skills: 2 climb, 2 float, 1 bomb, 1 block, 2 bash, 2 mine, 2 dig

Good: A much better level than it was before! Thanks for lowering the time limit. (i.e. Makes you think about how to deal with the time limit.) Fun to figure out

Bad: There's one non-metal looking bar that has a metal bounding box around it (You can't dig through it but it looks like you can.) Also, I'm wondering, is the hidden trap blocking the upper exit necessary? I think it might be impossible to get lemmings into both exits with the limited skills.

As a note, Adam, the trap only killed one lemming for me, since its height is a little off. (But still I don't think you need the trap at all.)

Proxima · « **Reply #87 on:** May 13, 2005, 05:01:50 PM »

Level 13: Help from a friend

Save 100% of 9
Release rate 60
4 minutes

15 builders, 5 diggers

Good: another one that's fun to do and not too easy -- I'm glad Adam reduced the skills!
Bad: rather ugly the way the graphics are all clumped up in one corner of the level

Adam · « **Reply #88 on:** May 13, 2005, 05:38:40 PM »

Thanks all of you, I'll make improvements to the levels where it's needed, only about another 14 to go!

Isu · « **Reply #89 on:** May 14, 2005, 07:03:52 PM »

Level 14: Think about it, what would I do?

Save 60 out of 60
Release Rate: 99
Time: 1:40

Skills: 1 Bomber
1 Blocker
25 Builders
1 Basher
1 Miner
1 Digger

Good: The obvious route is impossible

Bad: finding the fake metal.

EDIT: Level 14 not 15

Shvegait · « **Reply #90 on:** May 14, 2005, 07:21:09 PM »

That's 14 in his updated set.

Level 15: What the hell? The harder one

Save 60/60
RR: 99
Time: 3:00
Skills: 0 climbers, 0 floaters, 25 builders, 20 of everything else

Good: You have to think about how to manage the different groups, and you don't have much time to deal with the lower-right group.

Bad: I liked my climber solution (old version) better than the zigzag building :-(

Isu · « **Reply #91 on:** May 15, 2005, 10:56:45 AM »

Quote from: Shvegait link=1102948574/90#90 date=1116098469

That's 14 in his updated set.

Thanks for pointing that out, I was gonna change it to 14 after I'd finished the post, but I forgot

Shvegait · « **Reply #92 on:** May 15, 2005, 12:43:32 PM »

It's ok, I mostly just didn't want to look like an idiot for covering Level 15 after it had seemingly already been covered

Conway · « **Reply #93 on:** May 19, 2005, 04:30:33 PM »

Let's get this thing back on track . . .

Adam's Lemmings Again Level: 16 - Oh Hell!

Save: 30/30
Time: 5 minutes
RR: 1
Skills:
Bombers: 2
Blockers: 2
Builders: 36
Bashers: 1
Miners: 2
Diggers: 3

Good: A fun level with a not-so-obvious solution.

Bad: Too much building!

Proxima · « **Reply #94 on:** May 19, 2005, 05:27:02 PM »

Level 17: Very... symmetrical

Save 100% of 40
Release rate 40
1 minute 30 seconds

Skills: 1 of each

Good: short and clever level that requires you to notice something about the layout. Nice hint in the title.
Bad: I'm not sure why Adam changed it to one exit instead of two.

Adam · « **Reply #95 on:** May 19, 2005, 07:32:57 PM »

Quote from: Ahribar link=1102948574/90#94 date=1116523622

Bad: I'm not sure why Adam changed it to one exit instead of two.

It's for a third level in a new set there's going to be some terrain differences and having two exits means that the level won't work properly. As for this level, think of it as a transition.

Isu · « **Reply #96 on:** June 04, 2005, 06:35:49 PM »

Plodding Forward...

Level 19: Tough Decision making

Save 49 of 50
Release Rate: 99
Time: 4:00

Skills: 1 Blocker
5 Builders
10 bashers

Good: Nice effect with the blue lattice
Bad: The bottom route seems impossible, and the hidden trap at the top can bypassed by building a brick before bashing (I don't know if this is intended though)

Proxima · « **Reply #97 on:** June 04, 2005, 08:46:40 PM »

Level 23: Nas Gnimmel Awnabnok

Save 100% of 20
Release rate 99
5 minutes

Good: interesting idea (though not exactly very original). Also, the 100% requirement makes it not trivial
Bad: with 20 of everything it's far too easy. Especially as you have few enough lemmings you can make them all floaters.

Isu · « **Reply #98 on:** June 05, 2005, 11:29:14 AM »

Level 24: Trust me, I'm a lemming

Save 60 of 60
Time: 3:00
Release Rate: 60

Skills: 15 of each

Good: The tight time limit makes you think about the solution
Bad: You an see the top of the lights of one exit which in turn makes the level very easy

Shvegait · « **Reply #99 on:** June 05, 2005, 12:07:40 PM »

Level 25: Something's coming over me

Save 10/10
RR: 1
Skills: 1 blocker, 5 builders, 1 miner, 1 digger

Good: Umm...

Bad: Probably a backroute. With the RR so low, you only need the digger to trap all the lemmings, then mine to the right, and it's over... This doesn't use the blocker or the builders. I don't know what the intended solution is...

Proxima · « **Reply #100 on:** June 05, 2005, 12:34:58 PM »

Isu: that's the only exit. The arrow pointing into the mound is a ruse. And it's only easy if you spot it......

As for level 25, does the intended route perhaps involve building directly over the exit while using the blocker to keep the other lemmings back?

- - -

Level 26: For the perfect people out there

Save 100% of 60
Release rate 60
4 minutes

1 blocker, basher, miner; 9 builders

Good: a neat exercise in "stretching" bridges, not too exasperating because you don't need to be perfect.... but nearly
Bad: no puzzle element

Isu · « **Reply #101 on:** June 05, 2005, 01:43:18 PM »

Quote from: Ahribar link=1102948574/90#100 date=1117974898

Isu: that's the only exit. The arrow pointing into the mound is a ruse. And it's only easy if you spot it......

Is it? O_o Oh, well I only played it once so I didn't know...

Proxima · « **Reply #102 on:** June 24, 2005, 08:36:18 AM »

OK, in keeping with the decision that's been made about the CustLemm Level List Game, I'm going to review two levels in succession, but note that this still should not normally be done unless the topic is idle for a long time.

Adam's Lemmings 27 -- Just another level

Save 100% of 100
Release rate 99
6 minutes

Skills: 15 of everything

Good: Fun to do, and the 100% target makes it not completely straightforward
Bad: Easy (yet another "lots of everything" level). Also, the layout is rather cramped in the top corner, which doesn't look great

Isu · « **Reply #103 on:** June 24, 2005, 06:14:32 PM »

We are coming to the end here, and we have no set to review next. I'd like to nominate my first 'Isulemms' set' (piainp.set) to be the next one up for review. I'd like to know what people thought on it, as I never got much feedback.

Level 29: Look out again there are still a few more traps about

Save 40 of 40
Time: 6:00
Release Rate: 1

Skills: 12 Builders
3 Bashers
2 Miners
2 Diggers

Good: I actually quite like this one, because it is both simple and hard. The route to the exit is not difficult to find, but difficult to pull off. The different music is a nice change too.
Bad: Build, Build, Mine. Build, Build, Bash etc...

I'll let someone else do level 30. There is NO WAY that I'm ever going to finish that level anytime soon

EDIT: Ack, found a bad point...

Proxima · « **Reply #104 on:** June 25, 2005, 09:55:39 AM »

Level 30: Every last skill counts

Save 100% of 200
Release rate 255
30 minutes

1 climber, 79 builders, 11 bashers, 17 diggers

Good: lovely long and relaxing level. I played it when I had a bad cold and really needed to do something calm and soothing. And you really have to make optimum use of the given skills.
Bad: Very long -- I can imagine that if you didn't have a cold it would seem tedious. Though thank goodness for Cheapo's replay feature! Also, not very much of a puzzle element.

Isu · « **Reply #105 on:** July 08, 2005, 05:26:01 PM »

So, are we going to do another cheapo set? (Preferrably mine

) Screenshots at: http://www.cjb.cc/members/piainp/Isu/Isulemms/

Conway · « **Reply #106 on:** July 08, 2005, 11:58:42 PM »

I'd rather do your style trial (even though I'm still working my way through it!)

Proxima · « **Reply #107 on:** July 09, 2005, 12:12:42 AM »

I haven't really played those levels enough to participate, I'm afraid. One set I'd like to do at some point is Insane Steve's first set, if someone could post a list of levels just to jog my memory; but Isu asked first so we'll do one of his sets first.

Conway · « **Reply #108 on:** July 09, 2005, 12:31:34 AM »

Well it's up to you, Isu. Isulemms or Style Trial? On second thoughts, Isulemms might be better in practical terms, since more people will have played that pack.

chaos_defrost · « **Reply #109 on:** July 09, 2005, 05:03:31 PM »

What do you mean by my "first" set... I.S. #1? I'm cool with using any of my Cheapo sets in this game.

Although, yes, Isu asked first, so we should do one of his sets first. I don't mind which one: Both are good.

Isu · « **Reply #110 on:** July 09, 2005, 05:12:03 PM »

Quote from: Conway link=1102948574/105#106 date=1120867122

I'd rather do your style trial

Yes, I thought that you would

.

I say Isulemms, because it was my first, and because I went to the trouble of uploading screenshots. Not only that, but Style Trial isn't exactly finished, you only have part one.

Adam · « **Reply #111 on:** July 26, 2005, 10:38:38 AM »

Well, I know it's about a month on from you finished my set but still. Thanks for the comments and as a couple of you know I'm working on making my next level pack. Don't expect it until September though as it contains 200 levels and I'm making about 10 per day at the moment but as imagination runs out I'm sure the amount per day will drop.

Conway · « **Reply #112 on:** July 26, 2005, 11:07:31 PM »

Just remember, quality over quantity! B)

Isu · « **Reply #113 on:** August 11, 2005, 09:44:25 AM »

Does anybody want to review the first level? It's been a month already.

(a not-so-subtle BUMP)

Shvegait · « **Reply #114 on:** September 07, 2005, 06:08:58 PM »

Seems about time to revive this thread. (Sorry for the 2 month wait, Isu!)

Isulemms - Level 1: Step into the unknown

Save 45/50
RR: 5
Time: 6:00
Skills: 20 climb, 19 float, 18 bomb, 17 block, 17 build, 18 bash, 19 mine, 20 dig

Good: You have to think a little bit about how to save them all with 17 builders or less. Seems like a good intro to the set.

Bad: Almighty Hydra's style

(High-Tech... bricks?)

(Note: Maybe you can shrink the screenshots a bit? They're huge! I think you're giving 2 pixels to each in-game pixel.)

ccexplore · « **Reply #115 on:** September 07, 2005, 07:04:10 PM »

Quote from: Shvegait link=1102948574/105#114 date=1126116538

Bad: Almighty Hydra's style (High-Tech... bricks?)

Well, I happen to like this style.

chaos_defrost · « **Reply #116 on:** September 07, 2005, 07:50:13 PM »

Isulemms stage 2: A Cheap Difference

Save 20/20
RR: 88
Time: 1:00
Tasks: 20 bombers, 7 builders, 1 digger

Good: The design is simple-looking, but the solution isn't quite as obvious as it seems at first glance. A nice early in the set level.

Bad: There's nothing really "cheap" about this one. And why 20 bombers? Just curious.

Shvegait · « **Reply #117 on:** September 07, 2005, 11:20:38 PM »

That level actually took me a good while to figure out, but this was one of the first Cheapo sets I played. Now it seems so easy (but it is just level 2 after all!)

Isulemms - Level 3: Fiery Chambers

Save 15/20
RR: 1
Time: 6:00
Skills: 1 climb, 2 float, 5 bomb, 7 block, 7 build, 5 bash, 2 mine, 1 dig

Good: There's a bit of variety in the terrain. There's little room for error, which is good for this level because it makes you think of the best way to do what you need to do.

Bad: It's rather straightforward. The fires at the end seem too easy to avoid.

Isu · « **Reply #118 on:** September 08, 2005, 03:14:43 PM »

Quote

Bad: There's nothing really "cheap" about this one. And why 20 bombers? Just curious.

Back when I first made this set, I never really knew what a 'cheap' level was, only something that the player would not expect. I thought flipping a trapdoor was cheap, but back then I knew nothing.

The twenty bombers were mere decoration. I thought of it as a fancy alternative to 'nuke'.

Quote from: Shvegait link=1102948574/105#114 date=1126116538

Maybe you can shrink the screenshots a bit? They're huge! I think you're giving 2 pixels to each in-game pixel.

Erm, they're just pasted print-screeners so the resolution is about 640x480. Oops, big mistake. X_X

EDIT: Fixed

ccexplore · « **Reply #119 on:** September 08, 2005, 03:52:36 PM »

Next time, PrintScreen from the level editor instead (zoom all the way out of course).

Ice_Eagle91 · « **Reply #120 on:** September 18, 2005, 03:52:49 PM »

Isulemms Level 4: The Watcher in the night

No. of Lems: 100
To save: 98
Skills: One of each
Time: 1:45
RR: 99

Good: A nicely done level and a good title. I also like the fact that
the skills are one of each.
Bad: Sometimes annoying for precision.

(I like your levels, Isu!)

Isu · « **Reply #121 on:** September 18, 2005, 04:44:52 PM »

Quote from: Ice_Eagle91 link=1102948574/120#120 date=1127058769

Isulemms Level 4: The Watcher in the dark

No. of Lems: 100
To save: 98
Skills: One of each
Time: 1:45
RR: 99

Good: A nicely done level and a good title. I also like the fact that
the skills are one of each.
Bad: Sometimes annoying for precision.

(I like your levels, Isu!)

Fixed ^_^

And welcome back, or should I really say "Hello there" since I registered after you left

Ice_Eagle91 · « **Reply #122 on:** September 18, 2005, 04:49:58 PM »

Whoops...my mistake...

I like your Style Trial levels. They're really cool and most of your levels are nicely done (like the Towering Inferno).

Proxima · « **Reply #123 on:** September 22, 2005, 08:53:42 PM »

Isulemms Level 5: Cry for me

Save 100% of 80
Release rate 88
3 minutes
62 climbers, 10 floaters, 4 builders, 2 bashers, 1 miner

Good: brilliant puzzle level, with so many plausible tries that just fail.

Bad: when you finally get there, the actual solution isn't really as interesting as most of the "red herrings".

Isu · « **Reply #124 on:** September 22, 2005, 11:17:52 PM »

^ That is the ONLY level I can fully remember creating from one of my old notebooks. It is also one of my favourite levels of all time, because of the simple terrain/difficult solution paradox, and the fact that it contains multiple trapdoors.
Brilliant (If I don't day so myself).

Also, could you PM me your solution? I wouldn't say that the intended solution is uninteresting, so it makes me wonder...

Proxima · « **Reply #125 on:** September 30, 2005, 01:21:58 PM »

Fine, we've had a week, no-one's posted, so I'll do Level 6 too. But I do wish people would get back to this thread; it's fun, and I'd like to do my levels here at some stage...........

Isulemms Level 6: Two entrances, two exits

Save 100% of 60
Release rate 11
6 minutes

8 climbers, 7 floaters, 6 bombers, 5 blockers, 4 builders, 3 bashers, 2 miners, 1 digger

Good: You need to use your skills carefully (you have just the right number of the last four)

Bad: The upper-left part seems a bit wasted; although it's necessary in order to leave you with just enough skills for the rest, there's no puzzle there. The trap seems misplaced, since it's so easy to get round. And there's not really any trick to the solution; all the moves required are pretty obvious.

Ice_Eagle91 · « **Reply #126 on:** September 30, 2005, 02:01:36 PM »

I'll do level 7 later.

Ice_Eagle91 · « **Reply #127 on:** September 30, 2005, 11:34:05 PM »

Quote from: Ahribar link=1102948574/120#125 date=1128086518

Fine, we've had a week, no-one's posted, so I'll do Level 6 too. But I do wish people would get back to this thread; it's fun, and I'd like to do my levels here at some stage...........

Why aren't people posting here anymore? Ahribar, I couldn't do level 6 because...well...it seems hard.

Anyway, onto level 7:

Level 7: The Gap
No. of Lems: 100
To save: 100
Skills: 20 diggers, builders and bombers
Time: 4:00
RR: 1

Good: Level design
Bad: No need for bombers...and too many diggers!!!!

Shvegait · « **Reply #128 on:** October 01, 2005, 12:03:15 AM »

Isulemms - Level 8: The never-ending dark

100 Lems
95 to save
RR: 70
Time: 3 minutes
Skills: 99 floaters, 7 bombers, 7 blockers, 7 bombers.

Good: 2 exits. You have to think about which one you can access, although it is pretty obvious which is the easier way to go.

Bad: Level description: "There's not much to this level." It's true.

Ice_Eagle91 · « **Reply #129 on:** October 01, 2005, 12:11:06 AM »

Level 9: The Crown Jewels

No. of Lems: 2
To save: 2
Skills: 1 floater, 4 bombers, 3 blockers, 15 builders, 5 bashers, 8 miners, 7 diggers
Time: 4:00
RR: 1

Good: Sneaky
Bad: Bad color, and too easy!

Proxima · « **Reply #130 on:** October 01, 2005, 09:05:57 AM »

Quote from: Ice_Eagle91 link=1102948574/120#127 date=1128123245

Why aren't people posting here anymore? Ahribar, I couldn't do level 6 because...well...it seems hard.

I assure you that it's a lot easier than it seems!

I have to go now, but when I get back I'll do the next level that's not yet done by then.

Proxima · « **Reply #131 on:** October 01, 2005, 09:26:14 PM »

Isulemms Level 10: Lemming Burner

Save 97% of 40
Release rate 77
2 minutes
14 of each skill

Good: Nice tight time limit, and you really have to be careful with the number of builders, especially if you're going for 100%.
Bad: The three entrances don't achieve as much as I would have liked, since once you've got the lemmings contained you don't have to multitask. The four fire traps to the left of the exit aren't placed right; lemmings walking left along the platform fall to their deaths rather than being burned.

Ice_Eagle91 · « **Reply #132 on:** October 01, 2005, 09:39:15 PM »

Level 11: Beyond Boundary Lines

No. of Lems: 100
To save: 100
Skills: 2 of each
Time: 5 minutes
RR: 40

Good: You have to use your skills wisely.
Bad: The-precision-is-so-annoying-that-you-have-to-repeat-the-level-a-lot-of-times-until-you-get-it-right.

Proxima · « **Reply #133 on:** October 01, 2005, 11:01:14 PM »

Isulemms Level 12: After Boundary Lines

Save 96% of 50
Release rate 40
5 minutes
20 builders, 2 of each other

Good: the reversal is a clever idea, or would be if I hadn't seen it several times before. (Adam did the same with Fun 24, and Steaver with Fun 10......)
Bad: way too easy; you could have at least required 100% to make the level a little more respectable!

Ice_Eagle91 · « **Reply #134 on:** October 01, 2005, 11:09:17 PM »

Level 13: 8 little problems

No. of Lems: 10
To save: 8
Skills: 1 climber, floater, builder, basher, digger, miner, bomber and blocker.
Time: 40 seconds
RR: 1

Good: In my opinion, the best level in the set, because it looks like 8 mini levels in one level. :mikewink:

Bad: A little annoying.

ccexplore · « **Reply #135 on:** October 01, 2005, 11:22:18 PM »

Quote from: Ahribar link=1102948574/120#131 date=1128201974

The four fire traps to the left of the exit aren't placed right; lemmings walking left along the platform fall to their deaths rather than being burned.

Sorry to digress, but what you said reminded me of Mayhem 2.

On many versions of the game (DOS version being one notable exception, since it lacked the fire traps altogether on that level), there are 5 fire traps placed along the pit below the entrance area, with 4 cone-shaped terrain, each placed in between every 2 traps. If you build from the starting platform so that the lemmings falling off the bridge land on the tip of one of the cones, you'll find that as they walk down the cone they will fall to their death rather than getting burned.

Proxima · « **Reply #136 on:** October 01, 2005, 11:32:02 PM »

Isulemms Level 14: A cheap difference (part 2)

Save 100% of 175
Release rate 99
1 minute
80 bombers, 1 builder, 1 digger

Good: uses one of the best musics
Bad: very easy and rather pointless...... and also, what's with the title? Where is the difference between this and level 2, and how is it cheap?

Shvegait · « **Reply #137 on:** October 01, 2005, 11:35:16 PM »

Isulemms Level 15: There's a wall between us

100 Lems
50 to save
RR: 50
Time: 7:00
Skills: 3 climbers, 3 floaters, 50 bombers, 50 blockers, 50 builders, 3 bashers, 3 diggers

Good: I dunno, the title doesn't lie. Maybe if you're not paying attention, it seems impossible.

Bad: Well, I can't say when you made this level, but the solution concept has been done to death. Plus, it's a little tedious. I saved 89 on my first try. The song for the level is very short, while the level is a bit long, so it loops a lot...

Ice_Eagle91 · « **Reply #138 on:** October 01, 2005, 11:44:20 PM »

Level 16: There's another wall between us

No. of Lems: 5
To save: 5
Skills: 1 climber, 2 floaters, 4 bombers, 8 blockers, 16 builders, 32 bashers, 64 miners, 99 diggers
Time: 9 minutes
RR: 99

Good: Nice looking wall! Straightforward.
Bad: The music! It's so awful! Plus, this level's too easy!

Shvegait · « **Reply #139 on:** October 02, 2005, 12:17:33 AM »

Quote from: Ice_Eagle91 link=1102948574/135#138 date=1128210260

Straightforward.

Is that really a good thing, though?

Quote

Bad: The music! It's so awful!

I wish I knew the name of it. It's one of those songs that's played before big sports games (football, basketball)... Last year, I was on the 10th floor of a dorm that faced our college's football field. This music starts playing, and then all of a sudden I get the song stuck in my head (not realizing that it's playing completely, maybe thinking that I'm playing Juanjo's space set...), then I go up to the window, and sure enough they were playing it. But what's the song called... does anyone know?

Ice_Eagle91 · « **Reply #140 on:** October 02, 2005, 12:24:28 AM »

Quote from: Shvegait link=1102948574/135#139 date=1128212253

Is that really a good thing, though?

It's straightforward becuase it's not too hard. If you know what tricks to use, this level is straightforward. I have a feeling this level has a backroute, though...
:mikehuh2:

Anyone want to do level 17?

chaos_defrost · « **Reply #141 on:** October 02, 2005, 02:41:55 AM »

The song is a MIDI version of "The Final Countdown," by a band called "Europe" (Hence, the second part of the "Phone Call from Europe" joke if you ever played my Cheapo notebook set) -- ranked #22 on the list of "50 most awesomely bad songs ever".

Proxima · « **Reply #142 on:** October 02, 2005, 10:13:42 AM »

Alas, I don't have the style for #17......

Isu · « **Reply #143 on:** October 02, 2005, 02:11:35 PM »

Quote from: Ice_Eagle91 link=1102948574/135#138 date=1128210260

Bad: The music! It's so awful!

Really? I actually quite like it.

Ice_Eagle91 · « **Reply #144 on:** October 02, 2005, 02:24:06 PM »

Quote from: Ahribar link=1102948574/135#142 date=1128248022

Alas, I don't have the style for #17......

The style is Hydra1.sty (High Tech). Download it here: http://www.garjen.co.uk/Lemmings.php

geoo · « **Reply #145 on:** October 02, 2005, 02:47:38 PM »

Well, I like "The final countdown". The midi isn't so good, but at all it's a nice song.
Anyway, review of level 17:

Level 17: You're in unknown territory now.

No. of Lems: 50
To save: 45
Skills: 1 blocker, 10 builders, 7 bashers, 2 miners
Time: 4 minutes
RR: 5

Good: By contrast to the first level, this one uses a planned solution. The low nomber of builders puts some difficulty into the level.
Bad: Not hard enough for its position at all; design (perhaps because of the style, I don't like it either).

Ice_Eagle91 · « **Reply #146 on:** October 02, 2005, 02:50:56 PM »

Level 18: The long road to glory

No. of Lems: 40
To save: 40
Skills: 20 of each
Time: 6 minutes
RR: 50

Good: There's a cool trick for the steel part at the beginning
Bad: Too easy for the last level!

Done! Let's review someone's next set!

JM · « **Reply #147 on:** October 02, 2005, 02:53:03 PM »

Try my first two cheapo levels if you want

Ice_Eagle91 · « **Reply #148 on:** October 02, 2005, 03:06:16 PM »

Ok...

The Blue Line

No. of Lems: 60
To save: 50
Skills: 10 of each
Time: 1 minute 40 seconds
RR: 60

Good: There's a nice trick used there.
Bad: Too annoying.

JM · « **Reply #149 on:** October 02, 2005, 03:17:47 PM »

I hope to make some more cheapo levels soon. I could re-make most of my Custlemm levels in Cheapo

Ice_Eagle91 · « **Reply #150 on:** October 02, 2005, 03:32:02 PM »

Sure, why not?
I think you should use the styles that are rarely used (like Dust.sty, Oldies.sty, etc.)

JM · « **Reply #151 on:** October 02, 2005, 03:43:37 PM »

I've seen styles that Cheapo uses. They are lovely. I'm sorry If my future levels don't look as good because I've just started using Cheapo. I have a Custlemm pack in the middle of development with just 2 levels finished but I will eventually get back to it sometime.

Proxima · « **Reply #152 on:** October 02, 2005, 04:37:46 PM »

We should be doing Insane Steve's IS1: Difficult next; I suggested it a while back and no-one disagreed.....

JM · « **Reply #153 on:** October 02, 2005, 04:42:54 PM »

We could start Insane Steve's set now couldnt we since we just did 1 of my 2 levels. My future levels can be reviewed in the future

Ice_Eagle91 · « **Reply #154 on:** October 02, 2005, 06:17:46 PM »

Ok. But I already reviewed, so who's going to do level 1?

chaos_defrost · « **Reply #155 on:** October 02, 2005, 06:40:21 PM »

If you want to do IS01: Difficult as the next set, use the version of it Here.

I think there's 22 levels.

Proxima · « **Reply #156 on:** October 03, 2005, 10:33:42 AM »

Right!!! (I'll add a screenshot if someone wants to upload one; I don't have enough space to host them myself, alas.)

IS01: Difficult Level 1: Jus' a Warm Up

Save 95% of 80
Release rate 20
5 minutes

20 builders, 1 of each other

Good: Straightforward, with a couple of different routes, and fun to go for 100%
Bad: The solution takes too long and requires too much pausing for a good first level

geoo · « **Reply #157 on:** October 03, 2005, 06:06:07 PM »

IS01: Difficult - Level 2: The First of Many

Save 59 of 60
Release rate: 10
Time: 2:22 minutes
Skills: 1 of each

Good: Another nice introduction level being well designed; uses my favourite of the lemmings musics (Rondo alla Turca)

Bad: Doesn't use so many of the skills.

Proxima · « **Reply #158 on:** October 03, 2005, 07:38:57 PM »

IS01: Difficult -- Level 3: Minimalist Quandry

Save 75% of 20
Release rate 10
2 minutes 27 seconds

10 blockers, 10 builders

Good: As the title implies, a very sparse and simple layout. Teaches a useful trick (building over blockers).
Bad: The misspelling of "quandary". You have to be careful about making the bridge high enough to catch the upper builder, which is perhaps a little nasty for such an early level.

chaos_defrost · « **Reply #159 on:** October 04, 2005, 01:10:47 AM »

I have webspace to upload screenshots, but not the time to take them. If someone else wants to take and send me screenshots, I'll host them.

Ice_Eagle91 · « **Reply #160 on:** October 04, 2005, 03:58:35 AM »

I will do the screenshots on my free time.

geoo · « **Reply #161 on:** October 06, 2005, 07:32:37 PM »

IS01: Difficult - Level 4: The Pit

Save 2 of 2
Release rate: 99
Time: 1:22 minutes
Skills: 1 of each

Good: Nice symmetrical design, simple level idea.
Bad: The mirrored crystals look a bit strange in contrast to the normal ones if you look closely.

Proxima · « **Reply #162 on:** October 07, 2005, 11:01:30 AM »

IS01: Difficult -- Level 5: Persistance Builds Character

Save 100% of 75
Release rate 75
5 minutes

5 climbers, floaters, bombers, builders; 1 basher, 1 digger

Good: the title is appropriate to the level!
Bad: not much puzzle; frustratingly awkward; and another misspelling (it's persistence)

JM · « **Reply #163 on:** October 07, 2005, 07:46:23 PM »

IS01: Difficult - Level 6: A bit too far

Number of Lemmings: 10
To be saved : 5
Release Rate: 10
Tools: 10 climbers,1 floater,1 bomber,1 blocker,5 builders,1 basher,1 miner,1 digger

Good: Uses a nice trick
Bad: 5 Lems? You can save more than that

Proxima · « **Reply #164 on:** October 08, 2005, 11:18:40 PM »

IS01: Difficult -- Level 7: Flooded Basement

Save 92% of 120
Release rate 20
5 minutes 50 seconds

10 climbers, floaters, bombers, builders, diggers; 1 basher, miner, digger

Good: not as obvious at it at first seems, and therefore rather cunning
Bad: too much precision for this early in the series; long tedious building (and especially so when you get to the end only to find you have to go back to the beginning)

Isu · « **Reply #165 on:** October 14, 2005, 09:21:58 PM »

IS01: Difficult -- Level 8: Beat the clock

Save 20 of 25
Time: 1:11
Release Rate: 10

Skills: There's 20 of everything

Good: Very tight time limit, you need to find the fastest and most effective way to solve it.

Bad: If it wasn't for the time limit, the level would be a perfect Fun 10, and the scenery is a bit bland.

Time to wait another week before the next level is reviewed

Proxima · « **Reply #166 on:** October 14, 2005, 11:23:09 PM »

I passed every level in the set last time I played it, but I can't remember how I did level 8

IS01: Difficult -- Level 9: Dream Ledges

Save 100% of 200
Release rate 20
8 minutes 18 seconds

30 builders, 30 bashers

Good: a fun multitasking level, and an exasperating challenge if you want to go for the fewest builders B)

Bad: the trick pointed at in the hint isn't needed at all. With the release rate so low and so many entrances, each lemming can be finished before the next one from that entrance comes out.

geoo · « **Reply #167 on:** October 24, 2005, 10:10:39 AM »

IS01: Difficult - Level 10: Orange Crush

Save 1 of 2
Release rate: 99
Time: 3 minutes 10 seconds
Skills: 1 of each

Good: Orange and grey don't look that bad.
Bad: Solution is quite obvious; bomber timing is annoying, as stated in the hint.

Proxima · « **Reply #168 on:** October 24, 2005, 06:07:12 PM »

IS01: Difficult -- Level 11: You Know What You Have To Do

Save 100% of 1
Release rate 1
1 minute

1 floater, 1 builder

Good: a completely different type of level, which introduces some variety. Also, one might think that with this type of level it's hard to make some easier than others, but this one definitely is easier than the other three. And the music is very appropriate for the level (there aren't many levels where you can say that!)
Bad: Not much....... too easy for its position, maybe.
(Though I know the position was needed to keep the theme of 1s going!)

Adam · « **Reply #169 on:** October 26, 2005, 08:40:16 PM »

In my IS 1 pack, I only seem to have 10 levels. Please could someone send me an updated version?

geoo · « **Reply #170 on:** October 26, 2005, 08:49:38 PM »

In the Cheapo level pack topic http://eng-forum.lemmingswelt.de/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=level_id;action=display;num=1089162351;start=555#555,
reply #563 by Insane Steve, he posted the link to his sets, afaik the latest version.

geoo · « **Reply #171 on:** November 13, 2005, 10:26:37 AM »

IS01: Difficult -- Level 12: The Lemming Mental Institution

Save 95% of 100
Release rate: 20
Time: 7 minutes 22 seconds
Skills: 10 bombers, 50 builders, 10 bashers, 10 diggers

Good: The level really looks like a mental institution; the beginning of the music indicates some kind of madness; it's possible to save 100%.
Bad: Due to its size it requires a lot of straight building which can get boring after a while; the 100% route is easier than the one using bombers

Proxima · « **Reply #172 on:** November 13, 2005, 11:14:25 AM »

IS01 Level 13: Twin Paradox

Save 98% of 60
Release rate 70
5 minutes 14 seconds

5 builders, 1 of each other

Good: I like the idea of having two versions of the same level right next to each other but with totally different solutions -- gives a quite different feel from the old "one easy version, one hard version" routine.

Bad: the obvious solution is the correct solution.

geoo · « **Reply #173 on:** November 13, 2005, 08:39:35 PM »

IS01 Level 14: Twin Paradox (Part 2)

Save 58/60
Release rate 70
5 minutes 14 seconds
Skills: 1 climber, 1 floater, 1 bomber, 1 blocker, 5 builders, 2 bashers

Good: Nice second level showing up indeed a very different solution with a minimal change; it was the last level of I.S.01 Difficult I solved; it took me quite some time to figure out, and also now, I had forgotten the solution and I had to think for some minutes to get it again; after knowing the solution it doesn't seem difficult anymore though.
Bad: The bomber timing maybe; might have been placed a little later, but if it should be in position immediately after the first part, then the first one would have been placed too late I think.
The first part seems to have quite a lot of alternative routes btw.

Proxima · « **Reply #174 on:** November 15, 2005, 11:45:46 AM »

IS01: Difficult -- Level 15: The Obstacle

Save 100% of 120
Release rate 60
3 minutes 28 seconds
1 of each skill

Good: The different way one-way arrows add spice to what would otherwise be a very easy obstacle to get through.

Bad: It's still way too easy to be worthy of placement so late in the set.

chaos_defrost · « **Reply #175 on:** November 30, 2005, 07:55:47 PM »

Ok, regarding the past comments on my levels (college, ok? I have a very light day today, fortunately)...

Spelling errors on levels 3 and 5 -- I won our school's 2nd and 3rd grade spelling bee. In 5th grade, our spelling words were kindergarden level. No joke (Spell "up". ... Use in sentence. Like, I really wish I were making this up.) and I forgot how to spell. So, ya, words like quandary and persistence are hard for me. I should fix those one of these days.
Save percent on level 6 (5/10, instead of 8/10) -- just a red herring, no more.
Precision in level 7 -- I've had no problems with precision in level 7. I've passed it 4 or 5 times in a row without TOO many problems. Yes, I need all the builders every time, but I don't think I've ever failed the level.
Levels 13 and 14 -- I didn't think 13 was significantly easier than 14, honestly. Easier, definitely. But I don't think the route is THAT obvious. Or maybe it is, I don't know. Yes, I want the levels next to each other, though.
Difficulty of 15 -- Ok, in hindsight, this is a somewhat easy level for middle of the pack. Part of my reasoning is that a lot of the earlier levels are "1 of each" levels, and I didn't want to flood the beginning with them. Then again, all the Lemmings games have a lot of disproportionately easy levels (Taxing 29, anyone?), so... ya.

JM · « **Reply #176 on:** November 30, 2005, 08:01:32 PM »

I don't really play on cheapo that much but it would be good to keep this topic alive

namida · « **Reply #177 on:** January 12, 2006, 01:05:16 AM »

Since no ones posting anything or choosing a pack... do the Ultimate Challenge series next

Proxima · « **Reply #178 on:** January 12, 2006, 01:30:14 PM »

By rule we can't do two or more packs in a row by one author, but we can do one pack from the UC series next if you like -- want to choose which?

And will you help us finish reviewing IS1 so we can get to your pack?

namida · « **Reply #179 on:** January 13, 2006, 12:29:34 AM »

Start with UC1, then when it's done, do another pack, then UC2, then another, and so on.

And I haven't played for ages so I can't really review anything sorry!

Proxima · « **Reply #180 on:** January 13, 2006, 09:14:58 PM »

You can download IS1 here:

http://www.noblesse-oblige.org/insanesteve/IS_Notebook.zip

But we need to get moving again, so I'll review the next level as well.

IS01: Difficult Level 16: The Careless Level

Save 95% of 80
Release rate 9
5 minutes

10 builders, 1 of each other skill

Good: clever and elegant solution, uses all the skills, and 100% is probably possible

Bad: it's SO annoying if you misplace the digger at the beginning and have to go all the way back -- especially as it's just luck finding the right place

namida · « **Reply #181 on:** January 26, 2006, 11:05:41 PM »

*downloads at last*

Will check it out. PS: Lemmings Plus 3 is on the way, about 55% completed.

Proxima · « **Reply #182 on:** January 27, 2006, 10:51:34 AM »

Cool!

Will you review Level 17 if you pass it?

namida · « **Reply #183 on:** February 02, 2006, 09:36:39 PM »

Will do. However, I'm not a very good level solver, I'm more of a creator.

chaos_defrost · « **Reply #184 on:** February 02, 2006, 10:24:37 PM »

IS 1 isn't meant to be all that hard to solve in the first place, honestly.

I'd post here more, if, you know, my levels weren't being reviewed.

geoo · « **Reply #185 on:** February 03, 2006, 07:10:51 PM »

Hmm, let's do level 17. I actually do like your level, I'm just too lazy (or, call it busy

) to write reviews.

IS01: Difficult - Level 17: Up The Pipe
Save 57/60
RR: 01
time: 7 minutes 24 seconds
skills: 60 climbers, 1 of each other skill
Good: Interesting terrain, especially with the pipes and those arrows; also interesting solution idea using some nice tricks.
Bad: It seems quite a bit obvious; however, it's set 1.

btw, for the LemEdit version of the level, the exit doesn't seem to work. I think it's 8-1, or at least, the first level of one of the later packs.

Proxima · « **Reply #186 on:** February 03, 2006, 07:23:04 PM »

I didn't find "Up the Pipe" too obvious; it was a nice simple solution but it took me a while to think of it. Perfect for its position, in other words.

I seem not to have the style for Level 18.......

chaos_defrost · « **Reply #187 on:** February 03, 2006, 07:35:14 PM »

Odd. 1.18 is just ISWorld.sty.

I don't have problems with it.

JM · « **Reply #188 on:** February 03, 2006, 07:37:53 PM »

Quote from: geoo89 link=1102948574/180#185 date=1138993851

btw, for the LemEdit version of the level, the exit doesn't seem to work. I think it's 8-1, or at least, the first level of one of the later packs.

I didn't know there was a Lemedit version of the level. Geoo89 could you show me where to download the Lemedit version?

Proxima · « **Reply #189 on:** February 03, 2006, 07:47:46 PM »

Quote from: Insane Steve link=1102948574/180#187 date=1138995314

Odd. 1.18 is just ISWorld.sty.

I don't have problems with it.

Later version of the style, perhaps? I checked, and I definitely do have ISWorld.sty....

geoo · « **Reply #190 on:** February 03, 2006, 09:07:48 PM »

Quote from: JM link=1102948574/180#188 date=1138995473

I didn't know there was a Lemedit version of the level. Geoo89 could you show me where to download the Lemedit version?

You can download the pack including that level on Insane Steve's website. It's indeed set 8 level 1.

I dunno, but for level 17, I saw the solution on first glance. Perhaps the top wall was too revealing...

About level 18, it also works for me without problems. It uses the same music as Chaotic 5: Super Happy Fun Panic Level and doesn't seem to use special tiles.

Proxima · « **Reply #191 on:** February 05, 2006, 10:07:49 AM »

Well, I checked, and "Super Fun Happy Panic Level" doesn't work either. Maybe I do have an earlier version of the style missing that music.

geoo · « **Reply #192 on:** February 05, 2006, 10:39:40 AM »

I don't know whether this is the latest version, but at least the level works with it:
http://www.noblesse-oblige.org/insanesteve/ISWorld.sty

Proxima · « **Reply #193 on:** February 05, 2006, 12:55:14 PM »

OK, working now.

But the level is a new addition to the set, so I shan't post a review until I've solved it.

chaos_defrost · « **Reply #194 on:** February 06, 2006, 03:35:10 AM »

As an aside to the solver, 1.18 is possible without the FF glitch.

JM · « **Reply #195 on:** March 02, 2006, 08:44:29 PM »

This ain't been touched in ages

Haven't played the rest of Insane Steve's pack but who's passed the rest of the levels?

Proxima · « **Reply #196 on:** March 02, 2006, 09:07:29 PM »

Gah, thanks for reminding me!

IS01: Difficult Level 18: The Abyss

Save 33% of 3
RR 70
25 seconds
Skills: 1 of each

Good: a very tricksy little level with a simple premiss -- the level would be pointlessly easy with more time, but you don't have more time -- requiring a bit of cleverness for the solution
Bad: I don't know if I found the intended solution or not.

geoo · « **Reply #197 on:** March 02, 2006, 09:59:50 PM »

IS01: Difficult - Level 19: 8-3 Staircase
Save 90/100
RR: 05
time: 8:03
Skills: 5 climbers, 5 floaters, 1 bomber, 5 blockers, 15 builders, 1 digger

Good: Nice idea to remake a complete level from another game (although it is said not to be exact); either ways it uses quite a nice trick; nice simple design.
Bad: IIRC, I solved it differently the first time I solved it than this time, therefore it might have a perhaps backroute-like solution; a lot of building, too much IMO; and building over a blocker required (something I don't like for some reason).

Proxima · « **Reply #198 on:** March 03, 2006, 11:49:20 AM »

IS01: Difficult Level 20: Stairway to Somewhere

Save 49 of 50
Release rate 40
7 minutes 12 seconds

1 floater, 1 blocker, 30 builders

Good: the difficulty is just about right for the end of the first set (I've changed my mind about this now) and it's an interestingly unique level. The 100% solution makes a nice challenge -- satisfying to solve but not *too* frustrating.

Bad: two levels in a row that are almost entirely building

chaos_defrost · « **Reply #199 on:** March 03, 2006, 07:55:21 PM »

Remember -- my sets are incomplete as of yet (thanks, college). I intend to place levels between the current 1.19 and 1.20, so the straight builder levels can be spaced out a bit.