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Re: What is the minimum number of skills needed to beat each level?
« Reply #120 on: July 30, 2009, 06:25:03 PM »
Oh dread.  I'm getting tired of AdLib sound.

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Re: What is the minimum number of skills needed to beat each level?
« Reply #121 on: July 30, 2009, 06:29:41 PM »
AdLib sounds sound crazy when I first heard it as well. :)

Anyway, I haven't made any improvements on any level. Sorry.
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Re: What is the minimum number of skills needed to beat each level?
« Reply #122 on: July 30, 2009, 06:30:20 PM »
I want TGA!  See the help section of the forums...

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Re: What is the minimum number of skills needed to beat each level?
« Reply #123 on: July 31, 2009, 01:39:27 AM »
Okay, back on topic......

Using basically the same techniques as when I worked out the 2-skill solution for Mayhem 16, I've worked out a 3-skills solution for Havoc 4 (attached).

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Re: What is the minimum number of skills needed to beat each level?
« Reply #124 on: July 31, 2009, 04:25:32 AM »
Neat  :)


Here's the second half of Flurry:

9: 3
10: 9
11: 3
12: 3
13: 2
14: 3
15: 1
16: 6

Attached are the replays for 10 and 16.

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Re: What is the minimum number of skills needed to beat each level?
« Reply #125 on: July 31, 2009, 11:24:24 AM »
Now to wind up Havoc, and ONML as well.

7: 17

After almost giving up, I finally got Havoc 7 down to 16 skills.  It comes down to this:

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The key move is technically an example of the miner glitch which, thanks to the specifics of the terrain, you don't need to spend another skill to make it work for you.  You just need to find the right place to mine.

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Re: What is the minimum number of skills needed to beat each level?
« Reply #126 on: August 01, 2009, 01:57:44 AM »
Now the last few from Wicked that no one else would do :P

11: 9
15: 13
18: 9


Evidently no one else has done these still, otherwise you would have found that Wicked 11 can be done with only 8 skills. :P


And here's the first half of Frost:

1: 5
2: 3
3: 5
4: 2
5: 2
6: 6
7: 7
8: 1

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Re: What is the minimum number of skills needed to beat each level?
« Reply #127 on: August 01, 2009, 04:34:13 AM »
Evidently no one else has done these still, otherwise you would have found that Wicked 11 can be done with only 8 skills. :P

For that level, I actually did have a look at it last week but didn't find a better solution at the time.

I really don't have the time to do nothing but solve levels all day.  I already am doing it more often than I should, during times when I should be working. :-[ So there are still levels from original Lemmings on this challenge thread and possibly earlier ones, that I haven't really took a hard look at yet.  And even if I did, it might not be a hard enough look, just like you didn't report 8 the first time for that level. ;)

But, I did improve today on a level you've done earlier:

And the second half of Blitz:

9: 21

As you suspected, it was improvable, to 20 skills.  Actually you're very very close; I think you would've gotten it had you realize when exactly diggers turn to fallers (you solution seems to indicate you think they fall one pixel sooner than they actually do).

But for an extra challenge, I've made my 20-skills solution for Blitz 9 save 100% as well.  This is not as trivial as it seems, because of the spacing between your blocker and the lemming that frees the blocker.  In my solution, not only do you need to find the right place to block and the right place to release the blocker, it even influences one of the actions of the trailblazer.  Try it out yourself first w/o looking at the replay to see what I mean.

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Re: What is the minimum number of skills needed to beat each level?
« Reply #128 on: August 01, 2009, 05:28:55 AM »
Oops :(

My original plan for this level involved building from that one pixel that the digger leaves. I don't remember why. And then I didn't think to change that part afterward...


I really don't have the time to do nothing but solve levels all day.  I already am doing it more often than I should, during times when I should be working. :-[

Uh oh... I've been pushing this a little too much, haven't I?

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Re: What is the minimum number of skills needed to beat each level?
« Reply #129 on: August 01, 2009, 05:50:33 AM »
Uh oh... I've been pushing this a little too much, haven't I?

No, I'm fine.  If anything, I wish I don't have to work so I can do more with lemmings every day. :P  All I'm saying is that expect me to miss some challenges every now and then, and also don't be surprised if I improve on levels that were first done days or even weeks ago. ;)

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Re: What is the minimum number of skills needed to beat each level?
« Reply #130 on: August 01, 2009, 10:01:39 AM »
There are two versions of Xmas '91 levels which have different levels 3 and 4. The Amiga version has "Digging for victory" and "Aaaaaarrrrrrgggggghhhhhh!!!!!!" and the DOS version has "Time waits for no lemming" and "This Corrosion". Which levels should I allow?
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Re: What is the minimum number of skills needed to beat each level?
« Reply #131 on: August 01, 2009, 10:49:54 AM »
Neither, as both of those are levels from Oh No! More Lemmings!

Only the first two levels are worth trying.
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Re: What is the minimum number of skills needed to beat each level?
« Reply #132 on: August 01, 2009, 08:25:43 PM »
Holiday Lemmings 1991:

1.  8?  Check this please.

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Re: What is the minimum number of skills needed to beat each level?
« Reply #133 on: August 01, 2009, 09:11:28 PM »
You're not being very helpful Dullstar. ><img src=" title="Angry" class="smiley" /> You can't remember how many skills you wasted on the first level. Do this one again, and do the second one as well.
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Re: What is the minimum number of skills needed to beat each level?
« Reply #134 on: August 02, 2009, 09:39:11 PM »
Unless I miscounted, here's a pretty obvious improvement to Wild 4: