Quote from: Guigui on April 23, 2026, 04:37:18 PMIm currently playing the Tough rank of this pack (I started by hardest rank as per my stupid habit, I like to end with soothing levels )

I can confirm that Tough 4 No Justice is hard and requires a lot of precision. One will definitely struggle to save those left-side Lemmings if not pixel-precise.
I do have a solution that saves 47/46 :

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One extra Lem saved, certainly by sparing a bridge over what's intended to stop the miner before it falls to the bottom.
To achieve this you have to place the bomber, miner, and 2 builders in pixel-perfect places. See solution if interested.

Quote from: kaywhyn on April 26, 2026, 07:56:04 PMTough 11 resolved. Also still seems to be a backroute but less so than before

Quote from: JawaJuice on April 26, 2026, 07:50:13 PMHere's my solution. Still seems a bit backroutey to me, but probably less so than before.

Quote from: JawaJuice on April 22, 2026, 03:31:24 PMHey Steve! I assume you were talking about the new level 'Calacatta Monument' when you mentioned a glaring issue; I got the latest version V2 Tough rank cleared. I would say you've succeeded in making the rank live up to its name! That said, I still found 'Potholing' from Medium harder than pretty much any of these. It could just be a me thing - not seeing the solution for ages - but I'd consider swapping out an early Tough level for it maybe.

Of your updated levels, these were the hardest for me: Level 3 (Catacombs), Level 10 (Pair of Aces), Level 15 (Crosses and Noughts), Level 18 (Spectacular), Level 20 (The Arches) and Level 27 (Clam Dune). I really needed to totally re-work my previous solution for these, so guessing I must've backrouted them pretty badly before (assuming I still haven't!). The gold talisman on 28 wasn't too bad, primarily because I found I could just tweak my previous solution very slightly.

V2 replays attached. Great job again with this pack - a ton of fun! 

Quote from: JawaJuice on April 21, 2026, 09:36:37 PMV2 Medium replays attached. You'll have to let me know if I've still backrouted any of these. 'The Pillars of Positivity and Negativity' still feels like it might be, mainly because I have a ton of unused diggers - I'm not really sure what your intention is with this level tbh, I just solve it in the way that seems most logical to me! That's always the case though really. I rarely set out to backroute a level (unless I spot a really obvious one and want to highlight it) but I do sometimes struggle to see what an author is intending. And wow, you've made 'Potholing' really hard now - way longer solve time than any other level in Medium. It actually took me longer than almost all of the Tough rank levels, although admittedly I haven't played your updates yet; could well be that some of those seemed easier than were due to backrouting them previously. We shall see!

Quote from: JawaJuice on April 21, 2026, 06:43:20 PMCongrats on the v2 release, Steve!

I'll give you a bit of feedback on the blurbs at the start of the Easy rank levels; I just noticed a few typos and such - feel free to ignore if I'm being too pedantic

Level 1: "The first few levels will teach you skill starting with Diggers."

I think you mean 'skills' rather than 'skill' here.

Level 6: "Blockers will block the Lemmings from a path you may not which them to take."

'wish' rather than 'which'.

Level 8: "You may have noticed on the level page and small circle with a question mark."

'a small circle' rather than 'and small circle'.

Level 9: Only one 's' in 'occasionally'

Level 12: "Sadly you won't be able to rescue all the lemmings all the time... This level will teach you that."

Except it won't, because it is possible to save all the lemmings with this reworked level (see attached).

I'll include my replays for the new Easy rank levels where my old replays no longer worked (about a half a dozen of them). I dig the new one, Highland Hijinks

Quote from: Guigui on April 18, 2026, 09:21:52 PMI'd also like to play the pack. But will there be some updates ? I'd rather play after updates since everyone already played before...

Quote from: JawaJuice on April 18, 2026, 11:26:56 AMI also finished the Tough rank. As kaywhyn said, a few tough nuts in there for sure. I'm going to give you my feedback on certain levels (trying to be quite generalized, spoiler-free) then I'll compare notes!

Level 1 - Already a step up in difficulty and a sign of things to come for this rank. Resource management is the hardest thing here, with the limited skill set.
Level 4 - As previously mentioned, this one is a real tough nut! Probably ended up being in the top 5 hardest levels of the rank for me (#5 I'd say!). It's a repeat that's a lot more challenging than its first incarnation - the difficulty comes from needing to save both sides with again, a pretty limited skill set.
Level 9 - Requires precise placement but it will be a familiar puzzle to any experienced Lemmings player!
Level 10 - Slightly harder than 4 imo, mainly due to the extremely tight time limit where quite a lot has to be done to create a safe path for the crowd. The number of builders is its saving grace, but I needed every one of them!
Level 12 - Another repeat that's much harder than its first incarnation and actually does utilize the mechanic I expected the first one to - in this case, compression! Would be tricky for a beginner I think!
Level 13 - I really like the look of this level! Tropical Hot Dog Nights to quote Captain Beefheart ;-)
Level 19 - Made hard by the 99 RR, as so many levels are. Definitely needed more thinking time than the previous few levels.
Level 21 - Quite a difficult level/talisman, but your options are severely limited, which makes it easier in a way I suppose.
Level 22 - Looks simple... and is! I clocked the solution almost immediately; the hard thing was the execution and completing within the time limit. 4 minutes sounds like a lot, but there's much ground to cover and a fair bit to do.
Level 23 - Seemed uncharacteristically easy for its position in the rank, but I don't mind a breather!
Level 24 - Another problem of resource management. Tricky, but not so bad.
Level 25 - The most difficult thing here was the containment of the crowd at the start but I may well have over-complicated my solution in this instance.
Level 28 - The hardest level of the pack to this point imo. Extreme resource management and timing challenges. Longest solve time so far, eclipsing 4 and 10.
Level 29 - I can tell you, there's no backrouting this level, at least as far as I can see; I tried for a while to do the coward's solution, building over the left fire pit to the exit, lowering the terrain first, but you've clearly thought of that. In the end, I knuckled down to taking the long route! Maybe not quite as difficult as 28, but it's up there.
Level 30 - Wow, you weren't kidding about this being a hard level! The only level in the pack that took me a couple of hours to complete, I don't mind telling you! It's how a pack finale should be though: save the toughest for last! Really clever how you've incorporated four earlier levels into one, re-contextualizing them, by also adding the contained neutrals in each. For the longest time, I just kept ending up a skill short (usually a builder!) but somehow eventually managed to finish with a builder to spare and 2 lemmings more than the requirement saved!

Overall, I thoroughly enjoyed this pack I would probably place its overall difficulty at Easy-Medium, though there are certainly a few levels in the last rank that would fall into the 'Hard' category. You also save the hardest three levels for the end of the rank in my book, so I think you've gauged the difficulty curve well. There are maybe a few things that could be improved in the Easy rank especially, but I would say it's a worthy pack! Probably a bit tough for beginners in its final rank, if that is the intention, but you could say the same thing about Icho's NeoLemmix Introduction Pack.

Replays attached, including talisman solutions.

Quote from: kaywhyn on April 18, 2026, 08:47:47 AMTough rank finished and hence I have solved all of the pack! Replays attached and of course more feedback

Tough Rank Feedback

The third and final rank of the pack, the Tough rank offers the hardest levels. Indeed, as I previously mentioned, the Tough rank is aptly named, though I managed to pick up significant speed with a large amount of levels in the middle. Even then, there's still plenty of difficult nuts to crack here! Of course, there's still some significant gems in the rank as well.

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Tough 1 - The Flagpole and the Box Great level to start the rank. Not too hard of a level, though the hardest part here was getting a Lemming to turn around at the very end of the basher tunnel in order to dig so that he gets low enough to mine the bottom entrance out. Thankfully, the player can better get this via the RR.

Tough 2 - Rope Swing Looks daunting and difficult, but it's not too bad despite appearances. Once you realize the way to keep the second Lemming safe is to have him dig all the way down at the start and then you can release him from the pit with the climber skill, then the rest of the solution should come easily. It might still be difficult to find the best way through the ropes, though. You're pretty much given exactly the bare minimum of what you need to solve the level, so you can't waste any builders whatsoever.

Tough 3 - Catacombs Pretty much a breather level for the most part, especially as it's quite obvious that you can't go through the bottom entirely and that you must go over the top. This is pretty much the hard part, knowing where to build to get everyone up. I finish the level with a lot of miners to spare, so I don't know what those others are for. Even then, there doesn't seem to be any harm in keeping them in, especially as I don't see how the level can be cheesed with them

Tough 4 - No Justice Quite possibly the hardest level in the entire rank TBH. For the most part, I kept wondering if the level is even solvable with the given skillset, as it always looks as if you're a digging destructive skill short. In the end, after a long struggle, the solution I found requires a lot of pixel precision, particularly the second climber to stop the first one who digs, as well as a very precise bomber to get the left entrance out and into the miner tunnel from the first climber. If this is intended, then I suggest heavily reducing the precision needed and/or eliminating it. Levels that require a lot of pixel precise skill assignments in the solution aren't good design IMO. It's one of those things that just because you can doesn't mean you should. At least when I test my levels, if too much precision is needed, then I like to help the player out by either reducing it or just outright eliminating it. I don't like players failing my levels because of pixels. I want them to fail because of the puzzle!

Tough 5 - Jenga Another hard level IMO. A lot of my attempts failed because I couldn't find a way to keep the neutrals safe while one of the regular Lemmings builds to get to the exit. Turns out I simply needed to realize to use a builder to make a splatform first before building to the exit. I don't think there's really a way to delay the neutrals further, at least without them climbing into danger later on as a result, such as into a bear trap or falling into the acid.

Tough 6 - Iron Gate Nice level even though this isn't the intended way that you need to do the final level for this particular mini-level! Isolating the first two Lemmings from the rest of the crowd while one of the two pioneers bombs through the OWW and then builds across the gap and also over the ketchup wheel trap and then the crowd can release themselves by bashing. It's still a much faster solve than either of the two previous levels, so it's definitely much easier than them.

Tough 7 - Crystal Clear? Quite possibly the easiest level in the entire rank because this level literally took me no time at all to get solved, and so yes, I would agree that the level is indeed "crystal clear"

Tough 8 - One Minute, One Of Each Skill Nice level and a tad bit harder than the previous one, with probably the hardest and trickiest part being just a bit before the exit. I don't know if my solution is intended though. It's always nice to see a level made with Gronkling's Menacing tileset. I'll be honest, and that is I was amazed at this special graphics level of L1 as a kid, rather than freaked out by the blood and strains. Good music as well.

Tough 9 - Z Cave Another easy one, as it's obvious that the miner needs to bounce off two blockers. The only hard part here is preventing the other entrances from dying to the deadly sides.

Tough 10 - Pair of Aces I love the design of the level here which is meant to depict playing cards. In this case, Ace of Spades and Ace of Diamonds. Hard level here, as even with a lot of builders available it's not easy to determine the best route through the playing cards, especially the latter. I must say, that hidden steel in the middle is pretty evil. I think you may be aware as well, but deceiving players like that tends to be a big no-no in the NL community. Most players agree that all information to solve the level should be visible from the get-go and not hidden. Of course, if one wants to during play, CPM can be activated ahead of time to know that the middle part is steel and not destructible terrain like I thought it was. So, I brought that on myself, but in general I usually don't use CPM in my live LPs Overall, nice challenging level!

Tough 11 - Spectacular Pretty much the best level of the entire rank IMO! The hardest to see in the solution is the user of the bomber, but that realization didn't take too long for me as I kept trying to fiddle around with not using too many builders to build across the gap at the bottom. Certainly the hardest part afterwards was releasing the top entrances while making sure to have enough builders to do so and to get up the miner tunnels, though that would leave you a builder short if you do the latter. The alternative, then, is to get the middle entrance down by having them mine out so that they will come back up the side of the level to reach the exit. I really enjoyed figuring out this level. Well done, though I have a builder to spare

Tough 12 - Wind Tunnel Ah, so the level from the Easy rank does get repeated here, which we all thought you meant to have the player solve via compression through the traps. Nah, this is the level, the repeat, that players do it on, so I guess that renders what we said about the level in the Easy rank moot That's certainly not the hardest part but rather how to achieve the compression and then be able to release everyone to go towards the traps at the end, except for the worker who did the bridges.

Tough 13 - Desert Island Night Rescue Team Pretty much a breather as well, as it's the rare level where one can simply use the standard two blocker trap to hold back the crowd while one Lemming goes on ahead to make the route for them. Also, as long as you realize that you can only save 3 of the 2-neutral groups, then this level isn't a problem in any way. I did think that maybe the intention is to make bridges that span across so that you can free all the neutrals with one of the bashers, but thankfully that's not required, as you are allowed to lose both the blockers and two of the neturals which can't be freed.

Tough 14 - Multi-tasking Looks daunting and hard but it's not that bad at all. Pretty much the only hard part is making the splatform to save the right entrance, but you do have plenty of floaters to spare so luckily it's not too tight. Perhaps keeping the left entrance safe is the harder part of the level. I do have plenty of skills to spare, but maybe it's supposed to be an open-ended level. Decent and somewhat challenging level here.

Tough 15 - Crosses and Noughts Sorry, not a fan of this level at all! Way too many repeated bomber and builder assignments make this really boring and not fun to play. Sure, it's a breather, considering the lenient save requirement and all, but didn't find this fun in any way.

Tough 16 - The Sands of Time Also a breather IMO, with probably the only hard part is to have one Lemming turn around after going down a level so that he can prepare the rest of the way for the others before too many get into danger due to turning around. I used the final 3 builders to turn the 3 back towards the exit while the basher was still going. Not sure if this is intended.

Tough 17 - Derelict Staircase Looks difficult, and indeed it does seem to be the case, especially if the intended solution is enforced. This seems to be a backroute I found. I'm not sure if digging to avoid the trap is intended here. I expected them to get killed on the other side if doing that, but apparently there's a wall there that prevents them from reaching the other side.

Tough 18 - Cave Explorer Sorry, not a fan of this level either. It's quite obvious what you need to do here, but way too much bridge building for my liking. This does remind me of an L2 Outdoor level that has something very similar, though I can't remember if you're given anything else other than just builders and diggers. This level does seem to be inspired by that.

Tough 19 - The Chains That Bind Nice challenging level! Don't be fooled by what seems like a lot of builders and miners. At least in my solution, I ended up using all of them. Certainly not easy to find the correct route through the level while making your way to release the neutrals. The 99RR makes the start difficult, though because the start is all steel and you don't have bombers, then it's clear that to release the crowd later on you need to block on a built staircase to release both the blocker and crowd later on. I kind of enjoyed this level, though some parts were a bit fiddly to do, especially when building and then mining while not turning around and/or the staircase gets chipped off so that the Lemmings will slip through from the other side.

Tough 20 - The Arches Still seems to be a backroute here, so looks like it needs further fixing still I'm guessing the titular arches are used in the intended way as indicated by the level title.

Tough 21 - Oh Balls! Another excellent level and definitely far harder than the original in the Easy rank. I especially love the extending the basher part of the solution, though I would say it's probably also the hardest to see in the solution. Well done, and the time attack talisman is certainly not hard to obtain at all, especially as long as you bash at pretty much the first opportunity you get, before the builder gets put in place for it to keep going

Tough 22 - Looks Simple..... This one also seems to be a bit inspired by an L2 level, this time in the Classic Pillar set. I think it was called "Mr. Lemmy Doesn't Live Here Anymore" or something like that. Kind of a breather, though probably the hardest part is figuring out how to get someone to come back to the crowd to mine the crowd free. Here, it seems climber bombing is the most logical choice to get through after building across the gap, but bashing it away instead occurred to me a bit later. It's a bit unfortunate that the climber who mines the crowd out isn't able to reach the exit on time, but oh well, sometimes that's the way it goes

Tough 23 - NuMaCaBaBaB I'm guessing that's a lyric to a song or possibly even the name of a song? Pretty much a remake of "Now use miners and climbers"/No added colours or lemmings," just with two steel walls instead. The solution is pretty much what you expect it to be, with probably the only hard part is building over the gap before anyone arrives and falls in and is trapped there. Nice level nevertheless.

Tough 24 - Crocodilopolis Wow, excellent level here! I really enjoyed solving this one. One of the hardest levels of the rank for sure but one which feels to be the right difficulty. I think the solutions can easily swap sides here. Got the gist of the solution fairly quick, though took me a while to figure out to dig and then the next Lemming from one entrance builds to be delayed so that the other Lemmings who spawn from it can survive the fall into the pit. I really love how there's the mining through the bridge to release the ones trapped in the pit by climbing solution element of "no added colours or lemmings" level here. Well done!

Tough 25 - Fort William Somewhat of a breather this late in the game. Not really hard in any way, especially with plenty of climbers to keep the bottom entrance safe. It can be a bit chaotic keeping track of everything. Probably the only hard part is getting the bottom entrance up, similar to Tough 3. Otherwise, nice level which I kind of enjoyed playing and solving

Tough 26 - One Floater, One Climber, keep moving... Looks to be quite daunting and challenging, though my solution is probably a slight backroute. The solution does seem to get the three move involved in cooperating with one another so that one of them keeps the other two safe throughout the entire level. This level kind of reminds me of a level from Lemmings Reunion, which I believe is called "Den of evil" or something like that. Similar concept, where one is a floater, another a climber, and the other one is neither one and just a regular Lemming.

Tough 27 - Clam Dune Probably a bit harder than the previous level, especially with the 99RR and multiple entrances to deal with. A few skills I spared so maybe a backroute as well? I love all the clams you put on the sandy dune! Very nice background which goes really well with the L2 graphic set.

Tough 28 - The Red Room This level doesn't too difficult at first glance but there's still some gotchas to watch out for. I think the hardest part for me here was figuring out how to get two Lemmings to go on ahead, one of which bashes the final wall while the other one turns around to build the splatform. I'm not sure if the spot where I built in the solution is required so that if you bash at the right spot then the crowd doesn't get released. If that is intended, then that's certainly the hardest thing to spot in the solution! Very nice! Probably about the same difficulty as the previous two levels.

Tough 29 - It Burns! Sorry, another one I wasn't a fan of. Way too much repeated building and blocking on the left side to reach the exit and is way too fiddly to execute. Granted, there might had been some things I could had done to make it a bit easier, but for the most part it's really annoying to do. Quite possibly the worst level of the pack IMO. Probably the biggest improvement might be to leave more wiggle room with the flamethrowers on the building up side. This level does seem to be inspired by I believe it's called "Blood Furnace" by Crane, only this one has a bit more than that.

Tough 30 - The Last Level: A trip down memory lane I like how this is 5 levels rolled in one where you essentially just repeat the solutions to them for the most part! Now I definitely know I didn't do the Brick level the intended way. Pretty much the Bubble and L2 CaveLem levels both have a slight modification to the solution from the originals. My failures came about due to doing them incorrectly and sub-optimally at first. I think the rest of the solution came easily once I realized why the great number of losses you're allowed which will come in the Bubble level. It's not easy to see how to release the neutrals in it while not using too many builders. I think luckily needing to climb back up to the neutrals to release the blocker in the L2 CaveLem level came quickly as I got close to getting the level solved, as you really don't have any other options with the skills you have left for it, if you did the other mini-levels correctly. A great level to finish off the pack on for which the AWESOME music track plays! I believe Lemmings Rundown by LemFan does this as well, with the AWESOME music track also playing on the final level.         

Overall, while there's room for improvement, especially in the Easy rank, as well as some levels which I wasn't a fan of, this is a quite decent first attempt at a level pack. I did enjoy the level pack from start to finish, though it's quite difficult in many places, with the difficulty jumping all over the place and hence it's very erratic. Still, I applaud you for your efforts and work over a period of several years. I look forward to future levels/level packs from you!

Hope the replays and feedback is helpful and that the LP is enjoyable, if you've been watching it    

Quote from: kaywhyn on April 16, 2026, 07:04:53 PMReattached your level pack with the new Tough 20. Keep in mind that you can simply edit your own post and reattach the zip file by including the new level(s) that have changed. In addition, it's perfectly fine to simply attach the level itself rather than put it in a zip file first, though if you've included the level(s) that have changed in the pack download then it's not necessary to attach the level files themselves I've put that in the OP and you can choose whether or not to remove the second zip file

Quote from: Nota_Steve on April 16, 2026, 12:51:29 PMHi Kay,

You are an icon, thank you very much!

I completely missed this, as I thought you simply only replied to Proxima. It's a problem where when navigating to a topic it shows the most recent post and hence I didn't think that there might had been further replies because I didn't bother to scroll up!

Anyway, you didn't yet know this about me, but the correct way to refer to me online is by the full username that you see displayed for me, which is kaywhyn. I have a girl cousin with the shortened name you used to reply to me, while for myself my actual name is really close to it but not quite Hence I tell people to refer to me as kaywhyn online