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Title: [Lemmings 3] Quest From Kieran 3
Post by: kieranmillar on December 24, 2018, 04:05:36 PM
Welcome to my level pack, Quest From Kieran 3! It's a pack for Lemmings 3 aka The All New World of Lemmings aka The Lemmings Chronicles.

Lemmings 3 is the black sheep of the original trilogy, and for good reason. The gameplay is very different and the responsiveness of the controls are terrible. But hiding underneath the bad level design of the original game is a puzzle engine with a lot of potential. I hope to unlock that potential in this pack.

In this pack the aim is to save everybody and restore the tribe back to the 60 lemmings they started as in Lemmings 2. Some levels have very easy solutions if you choose to ignore the stragglers. Don't do this! The real puzzle is to save everyone! Remember: 2nd place is just 1st place loser!

This pack is designed for Adults mode, don't play it in Kids mode!

Each tribe starts off easy but gets a lot harder in a hurry. The top-end difficulty of this pack is extremely hard.

It's probably been a very long time since you last played Lemmings 3, or maybe you've never played it at all. There's a number of things you should know:

An enormous thank you to Carl Reinke aka Mindless, for open sourcing lem3edit, so I could update and improve it, without which this level pack might not have happened.

Meet the Tribes!

Classic

Tool focus: Bricks, Spades

(http://kieranmillar.com/lemmings/qfk3/Classic.png)

Stuck in their ways for so long, the Classic tribe have been forced to adapt to the new world, but old habits die hard. These guys maintain their expertise at building and digging.

Egyptian

Tool focus: Suckers, Shimmiers

(http://kieranmillar.com/lemmings/qfk3/Egypt.png)

You can't spend years building large tombs and pyramids and not become adapt at scaling large terrain and crossing large gaps.

Shadow

Tool focus: Umbrellas, Swimmers, Bombs, Hadokens

(http://kieranmillar.com/lemmings/qfk3/Shadow.png)

The masters of traveling where you least expect them, the Shadow tribe love nothing more than sneaking behind dangerous areas unnoticed and then dropping loud explosives. Hey, you can't be quiet all the time.

How to use level replays
Lemmings 3 will automatically record your moves, and let you play them back by pressing R. This will play back your previous attempt and you can cancel it and intervene at any time by doing something other than pause or fast-forward. Problem: in Adults mode, solving the level in this way refuses to let you progress, which is really dumb. Good news, attached to this post you will find a save file, which you can use to unlock all levels, therefore being blocked from making progress doesn't matter! When you solve the level, press the Replay Save button on the map screen and the level will get a red R symbol on it, you can use this to keep track of which levels you've 100%ed. Replays can be saved even if you solved them using the replay feature.

To watch a replay you saved, right-click on the level.

How to Install
Either:
1) Backup the contents of the LEVELS folder of your Lemmings 3 data directory (where you extracted the contents of the CD) and then extract the contents of the zip file into there, overwriting the existing files.
2) Duplicate your Lemmings 3 data directory, extract the contents of the zip file into the LEVELS folder, overwriting the existing levels, then point your DosBox instance to mount this new data directory as the D drive.
Title: Re: [Lemmings 3] Quest From Kieran 3
Post by: kieranmillar on December 24, 2018, 05:44:15 PM
I know what you're thinking. You're thinking, "Boy I sure am interested in this pack but I really don't want to play Lemmings 3 myself because I don't have it installed / can't be bothered / don't like it because it's a bad game (delete as applicable)"

Then I've still got you covered, because you can watch it instead.

Here's a playlist with all of the official solutions. They are scheduled to release once per day, so you can subscribe until all the videos all released and then you can unsubscribe again because odds are good that other videos I make won't interest you.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLjmQA_pi2AYSNU4I7PZ4kV4auw0ySgsHt
Title: Re: [Lemmings 3] Quest From Kieran 3
Post by: Simon on December 24, 2018, 06:13:05 PM
Merry Christmas!

I've played about 30 % of the maps when Kieran released test versions. The lovely puzzle design in QFK3 blasts everything in vanilla L3 out of the water. Warmly recommended to everybody who can get over the quirks in the L3 engine!

Busy with work <_< and then family dinner later. Have a great holiday season. Happy to have heard from you again!

-- Simon
Title: Re: [Lemmings 3] Quest From Kieran 3
Post by: Ste Woz Ere on March 20, 2021, 12:15:52 AM
Finished playing this one last night (took much longer than the others), and like the other packs it certainly delivered what I expected.

Firstly I would say that using this version of DOSBox (https://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?p=584684) (with savestates) is mandatory for QFK3 - not only to avoid tearing your hair out over the awful controls, but also because the puzzles can get really complex and you'll want to test and backtrack a bit.  It can occasionally lead you astray onto backroutes that involve silly timing/positioning tricks (see spoiler for examples) but the benefit is far greater.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I also recommend turning off the music and playing the Amiga mods in the background instead...they are just superb.

https://www.lemmingsforums.net/index.php?topic=1803.msg44855#msg44855

(note that every track is numbered wrong in the above link - the correct order is shortest to longest in each tribe)

Now, onto the tribes themselves:

Classic: First up it's the newly-transformed Industrial tribe. Manual labour is the appropriate order of the day, and you'll learn all the tricks of the trade as you go through (many of the puzzles that tripped me up involve new techniques, such as getting 2 lemmings up a shaft using 1 set of bricks). Highlights included 14 (longest bridge ever), 22 (tallest bridge ever), 23 (how do I dig up the way?) and 18 (think I backrouted it with a bomb trick). Many of the final levels also, despite not quite reaching the original 28 in terms of sheer size. I also think it's quite ironic that the only tribe without an attractor* ended up navigating two terrain types that are also music types. (jungle and metal)

* yes, I have seen the video...you can't really call it music. Still beats modern pop, though.

Egyptian: Next up are the only tribe that appeared to land in the right place. It's all about plungers*, though the effect on the levels is less pronounced than the previous lot (understandable, really). Still, you'll learn how to scrimp+save every last climb/shimmy just like you did with digs/bricks in the previous tribe. Highlights include 21 (big pyramid), 28 (how on earth do you get him out with no bricks?), and 30. (I really know how to make it harder for myself)

* dunno why they didn't figure out how to climb and shimmy with the same plunger...would've made for some really interesting puzzles.

Shadow: We finish with the tribe that swapped the Far East (via Europe) for the Far West.  Supposedly they specialise in blowing up monsters, but in reality you'll end up doing all kinds of fancy tricks before bumping them off in a different way (right from the customary no-skill level 01). They do use their other specs in plentiful ways though (esp. bombs...you'll pick a few tricks up here), and I really like how the buildings were woven into the levels...like the corresponding QFK2, they do look like part of a town/city. Highlights include 19 (almost symmetrical but so different), 20 (how do I get down town?), 23/28 (monstrous), 26 (epic), and ofc 30. (how many timers?)

Overall it was a blast...the game throws up some really good puzzles despite the vast changes from the format. And QFK3 takes that to new heights, with some wonderful puzzles that get just as clever and complex as in QFK1+2. I did get the occasional weird bug* but like the other problems, those are all within the game engine - it's definitely worth checking out if you can get past that.

* a specific lemming would suddenly go splat from any height...only way to fix was to "rewind" and assign different skills etc. or restart altogether.