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Offline ccexplore

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Amiga MODs in Cheapo? Now you can!
« on: November 04, 2005, 08:42:18 AM »
I don't know how many people would care about this, but I've finally managed to hack Cheapo so that it is no longer restricted to MIDIs for music playback!

You can download the hacked version of wledit2 and wlem2, as well as various support files, here:

http://www.geocities.com/guestlevels/MCIChMus/MCIChMus_v1.0.zip

Included in the zip file is a readme, but installation is very simple, just unzip the contents into your Cheapo folder and you're done!  The hacked versions of the game and level editor are named wlem2x and wledit2x.

So that you can try them out, I included two styles for you to experiment with.

http://www.geocities.com/guestlevels/MCIChMus/AmigaCrystal.zip
http://www.geocities.com/guestlevels/MCIChMus/SNESCrystal.zip

Think of them as the CrystalLemmus style except with Amiga and SNES versions of the Lemmings/ONML music.  AmigaCrystal contains music from the Amiga version of Lemmings, ONML and Lemmings 2.  SNESCrystal contains music from the SNES version of Lemmings and Lemmings 2.

In case you want them for your own styles, you can go here to get the music I incorporated into those styles:

http://www.geocities.com/guestlevels/MCIChMus/lem1_lem2_SPCs.zip
http://www.geocities.com/guestlevels/MCIChMus/L2MEDs.zip

You can get the MODs for Amiga Lemmings and ONML from Mindless's portal.

You can get SPCs (SNES music rips) from many, many SNES games at http://www.snesmusic.org/v2/

Keep in mind that these new music formats will be quite a bit larger than MIDIs, so including them in your styles will increase the style's size, as you may notice when comparing the size of CrystalLemmus to AmigaCrystal and SNESCrystal.  And people without the hacked version of Cheapo will only hear silence when playing the non-MIDI music.  Remember that MIDIs still work in the hacked versions of the game and editor, and you can have a mix of all the supported music formats in a single style.

Oh yeah, btw, unlike MIDI playback, the non-MIDIs formats supported so far will playback with seamless looping.

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Re: Amiga MODs in Cheapo? Now you can!
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2005, 06:12:09 PM »
Very awesome! 8-)

I've also MODs of Lemmings 2 : The Tribes.

Thank you very much, ccexplore!
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Re: Amiga MODs in Cheapo? Now you can!
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2005, 07:26:05 PM »
Wow, Like Wow. :o

There are so many MODs I wanted to put in styles, and now it's possible.

I'm in awe!  :o

EDIT: And now the bandwidth has been exceeded, what luck. >:(

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« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2005, 10:07:23 PM »
Er . . . Maybe I'm just a little slow, but what's the advantage to using MODs (a format I hadn't even heard of, btw) over MIDIs?

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Re: Amiga MODs in Cheapo? Now you can!
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2005, 10:13:31 PM »
MOD's are the original music type used, MIDI's aren't. MIDI's are of much lower quality (Unless the MIDI maker is amazing/the MOD maker is dreadful :P) and are usually a remade version of the original music piece.

Kudos to you cc, I haven't got around to getting Cheapo yet, but you sure know your onions when it comes to this kind of thing!

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Re: Amiga MODs in Cheapo? Now you can!
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2005, 10:59:13 PM »
Yes, MODs are better than MIDIs even if I like sequencing them. But maybe I'll switch to MODs sequencing soon! :D

Anyway... Amiga used MODs music and it's a very compatible file format for most of the computers (well, I think). Personnally, I prefer listening MODs music, but MIDIs are good too. They're both good.
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Re: Amiga MODs in Cheapo? Now you can!
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2005, 12:06:40 AM »
Quote from: Conway link=1131093740/0#3 date=1131142043
Er . . . Maybe I'm just a little slow, but what's the advantage to using MODs (a format I hadn't even heard of, btw) over MIDIs?
It's not a matter of which is better, since both are supported.

The point is to expand the number of music formats supported, and hence, the number of music files available for someone to use for their styles.

For example, I pointed out how you can now use whatever you found on http://www.snesmusic.org/v2/

It's my contention that, even if you don't plan to do anything with MODs or SPCs or what-not, everyone should switch over to this enhanced version of Cheapo immediately.  MIDIs still work perfectly fine in the hacked version, so you lose nothing, but you might gain something when it comes time to play a level using a style that uses non-MIDI music. ;)

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Re: Amiga MODs in Cheapo? Now you can!
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2005, 12:11:20 AM »
Quote from: Conway link=1131093740/0#3 date=1131142043
what's the advantage to using MODs (a format I hadn't even heard of, btw)
Wow, you sure have a selective memory when it comes to what your fellow forumers are doing. ;)

Don't you remember this thead: http://forum.lemmingswelt.de/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1127369568 &#A0; ?

That should answer your question about what the MOD format is.

I could even support MP3s, except I think they tend to be far too large to be included in style files.

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Re: Amiga MODs in Cheapo? Now you can!
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2005, 01:29:08 AM »
Oops, looks like you've exceeded your bandwidth.  I was able to grab MCIChMus_v1.0.zip before it went down, so it's here.

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« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2005, 01:35:09 AM »
Oh, so that's what people meant about the bandwidth. :-[ Sorry about that.

If you have trouble getting the files, you can e-mail me.  Actually, I'll probably e-mail Mindless all the files so he can host them all.  It looks like Yahoo isn't a very good place to host my stuff.

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« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2005, 02:39:24 AM »
Quote from: ccexplore (not logged in)(Guest) link=1131093740/0#0 date=1131093738
http://www.geocities.com/guestlevels/MCIChMus/AmigaCrystal.zip
This archive seems to be corrupt...  :-/

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Re: Amiga MODs in Cheapo? Now you can!
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2005, 03:26:34 AM »
Wow, today's not my day.  :-/

I e-mailed Mindless a good copy of the file.  He now has all my other files available in the portal, so if Yahoo's whining about bandwidth again, you know where else to go.

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« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2006, 12:32:28 AM »
ccexplore, are you also making the other Lemmings and Oh No More Lemmings styles with Amiga/SNES MODs?

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Re: Amiga MODs in Cheapo? Now you can!
« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2006, 05:33:37 AM »
You should add MP3 support anyway. People using it could always give players an option between MP3 styles and styles with regular midis.
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Re: Amiga MODs in Cheapo? Now you can!
« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2006, 08:20:53 AM »
Quote from: Ice_Eagle link=1131093740/0#12 date=1144629148
ccexplore, are you also making the other Lemmings and Oh No More Lemmings styles with Amiga/SNES MODs?
The two styles I included are merely examples to illustrate the ability to play MOD and SPC (SNES music rips) music, and they simply reference the graphics of the Orig-Blue.sty and default.sty styles that comes with Cheapo.

As practice, you might consider making the styles yourself if you want the Amiga and SNES music in other styles--it's easy, you just do it the same way you'd include MIDIs in a style. &#A0;Just make sure to use wledit2x instead of wledit2 when generating styles with MOD/SPC music. &#A0;The MOD/MED and SPC music I used for the examples should be available for download I think on Mindless's portal; if you can't find them I can e-mail them to you.


Quote from: Sunrise link=1131093740/0#13 date=1144647217
You should add MP3 support anyway. People using it could always give players an option between MP3 styles and styles with regular midis.
I'll think about it. &#A0;Although, I've yet to seen someone even taking advantage of the MOD/SPC capabilities so far, despite even the wide availability of SPC music (see http://www.snesmusic.org), so I'm not exactly seeing a great demand to add any additional support right now.